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Tobias Ber wrote:travis, would a chicken tractor custom fit to the size of your beds and pathways make any sense? ... just wondering. but it might be difficult to maneuver it inbetween other beds that are still full. maybe something like a mobile chicken hut and a coop/fence/frame-structure that is light enough so that two persons can easily lift it and carry it...
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Hans Quistorff wrote:I think stacking functions with rabbits is a good option for your situation. Weeds and unsaleable greens then become an asset. drop then is a V manger between two cages on each trip back to the house. Scoop up a bucket of rabbit berries on the way back to the garden beds and put some in the bottom of each transplant hole. Work some of the worm compost that develops under the cages into each rotation of the microgreens beds. Make wire stretchers for the hides and you can make lots of gloves and mittens for Michigan winters.
I learned to butcher rabbits when I was six Then I remember presenting a freshly plucked chicken to my mother and being told you will have to gut it yourself I have to go to town for a delivery. You will figure it out. I did but that was a lot harder than a rabbit. Our fryer cages were basically a chicken tractor on stilts with a hardware fabric floor and a V manger dividing it in half. When we were in california where it was to hot in the summer we just put them in the crawl space under a building and let them do there thing. We could shut the entrance when they came out into the feeding pen and sort them out. Might be an option for you to winter over a buck and a couple does and a buck during the winter.
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Tobias Ber wrote:travis ... yay. but perhaps there could be a movable structure that would fit your beds.
ok... eggs are a nice plus. but what if (just wondering), chicken on your beds might improve health, quality, production of your plants by maybe 10-15%. that might be the real gain there.
what if (still wondering) through the help of the chicken in pest control and working the ground, you might save some time (like slug hunting or weeding). maybe that might offset the time spent caring for the chicken. maybe, if the device is really adapted to your specific situation.
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Tyler Ludens wrote:I'm going to encourage the rabbit idea also, if only for your own complete diet - in researching complete homegrown diet, it looks like rabbit is about the best meat you can raise for complete nutrition - it is far higher in B12 than other common animals. (Unfortunately I kind of hate it. )
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I have been wondering if they mate in winter or not, haven't been able to find the answer. Do you know how many times a year you can mate them? I would have no problem keeping a couple overwinter, they are tough and it's easy for me to store hay.
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Travis Schultz wrote:
I've loved rabbit my whole life, my only problem with it is it doesn't have any fat content, and with Paleo I will still need the good fats. But with rabbits, that means goodbye having to buy steaks, and other lean meats.
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Travis Schultz wrote:
I've loved rabbit my whole life, my only problem with it is it doesn't have any fat content, and with Paleo I will still need the good fats. But with rabbits, that means goodbye having to buy steaks, and other lean meats.
Yes, I think it could be eaten alternately with fattier meat such as chicken which is low in B12. My ideal diet has the largest possible variety of plants and critters.
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Travis Schultz wrote:I thought chicken was lean though? Leaner than beef or pork or lamb. I'm almost positive. I'm sure chicken is fattier than a rabbit, iv heard Les Stroud say you could die from protein poisoning if all you ate was rabbit.
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Glenn Darman wrote:Travis I have the #1 system for you with out a doubt...at least for the slugs.Flat Beer ,just get a plastic ice cream container cut off 1/2 of the height and bury it up to the rim height that's left(About 3") and just pour in enough beer to fill 1/2 of that.WE did it 1 year and by the morning they were filled with slugs of all description.Don't just believe what I say...experiment with it.You could put several out randomly seeing you have a big size to deal with.,oh and don't forget to refill with beer.
I haven't had any luck with DE and slugs.
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Glenn Darman wrote:Travis I have the #1 system for you with out a doubt...at least for the slugs.Flat Beer ,just get a plastic ice cream container cut off 1/2 of the height and bury it up to the rim height that's left(About 3") and just pour in enough beer to fill 1/2 of that.WE did it 1 year and by the morning they were filled with slugs of all description.Don't just believe what I say...experiment with it.You could put several out randomly seeing you have a big size to deal with.,oh and don't forget to refill with beer.
The best way to deal with slugs is to go buy a flat of beer and invite people over and let everyone drink 22 of the 24 cans. Fill all of the empties with a little bit of beer and lay them sideways with the opening on the bottom. The slugs cannot resist the beer and will be drinking it while you go and collect all of the cans the next day and take them to be recycled. I have seen this be the most effective.....yet unintentional trap of slugs ever. I went camping and got 8 slugs in one can once.
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What you are dealing with is clorosis... The plant's roots are not getting enough oxygen and therefore cannot metabolize nitrogen and iron, become deficient, and turn yellow and don't thrive. Usually caused by too much rain or watering, and the resulting soil compaction. It is especially common in heavy clay soils without a lot of organic matter. In your case, the heavy cardboard takes time to break down, so it is creating a barrier that is preventing adequate evaporation, and also blocking air flow into the soil. The best treatment is, unfortunately a lot of work- aerate the soil by forking it up around the plants and making air pockets to get to the roots, without damaging them. Adding some organic matter and sand to improve drainage is good. Also, trying to slope the beds so they drain better can be helpful for the coming season. If you have a slight slope to your garden area, place the rows to run with the slope so they can drain. If you go perpendicular to the slope, the moisture will be trapped and stay. This is a good thing in arid climates or where water is limited, but in moist climates it is a liability. It is dramatic how quicky plants will perk back up and get healthy green again when this issue is resolved. It's a fair ammount of work, but so worth it! Another thing is allowing weeds with deep taproots to grow among the plants (within reason, not too many). They will suck up the excess moisture, and also draw up nutrients from deep in the soil to help the crop plants to thrive. It is synnergy!... weeds are not always "the enemy". The funny thing bout Permaculture... I'm learning that nature is the way it is for a reason! All my conventional gardening wisdom has been turned on it's head.Amanda Montgomery wrote:I'm having some issues with slugs as well but really my big problem (other than voles) are ANTS. My goodness, so many ants. I've sheet mulched other areas of my yard on a smaller scale and not noticed an issue but now it's a real problem.
Something else I've been trying to figure out but haven't seen is an issue of soil compaction. I started with cardboard, then a layer of straw, leaves, then compost. My plants have been yellowing and have stopped growing. I aerated and the compost layer was solid. There are lots of worms and once you dig a little deeper things look pretty nice. We've had a ton of rain here in Central VA so I'm sure that has something to do with it but it's really frustrating!
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Glenn Darman wrote:Travis I have the #1 system for you with out a doubt...at least for the slugs.Flat Beer ,just get a plastic ice cream container cut off 1/2 of the height and bury it up to the rim height that's left(About 3") and just pour in enough beer to fill 1/2 of that.WE did it 1 year and by the morning they were filled with slugs of all description.Don't just believe what I say...experiment with it.You could put several out randomly seeing you have a big size to deal with.,oh and don't forget to refill with beer.
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Beau Thetford wrote:I've heard oak leaf mulch helps ward away slugs, I imagine because it's so poky. I haven't tried this yet but I mean to.
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