how long is the tour?
I'm not interested in small numbers of incredibly expensive things
someone told me we should grow organic saffron flowers, of all things, because it "has a really high selling value." Yeah, well it won't provide any real calories for people, and that makes me think it probably might not be valued as much in the future.
paul wheaton wrote:
I think that is the key to sepp's success: he seems to have about 40 different income models.
E. Elkins wrote:This has been an interesting thread to say the least. I just finished Sepp Holzer's Permaculture a few weeks ago, and I can sympathize with the both sides of the debate. Holzer is an experienced farmer with a lot of hard-won knowledge, and I genuinely appreciate his willingness to chart his own course and and to share his knowledge. He's a also a first-rate self-promoter, a trait that (obviously) is shared by any number of successful business people. It's also a trait that leaves me a bit cold. By nature, I tend to be suspicious of self-promoters, and I know I'm not alone. It's a sliding scale, of course, and Holzer is no Donald Trump (I mean that as a complement!).
Fred Morgan wrote: And business owner is a self-promoter, if they stay in business.
Peter Fishlock wrote:Fred you said you are a President, where are you President for? Barack is that you he he.
Ryan Quinn wrote:Just want to say that the videos on Sepp's farm compelled my mama to try her hand at permaculture. This is something I've been praying for and visualizing for a quite a while. And then she went out and bought 10 lbs of heirloom veggies seeds, she's buying 2000 strawberry plants, and 10-25 lbs of native wildflowers to do a permaculture strawberry u-pick.
When we permascape my mama's farm and become a profitable venture, the rest of my family will follow suit. And all this because of Sepp's wonderful example!
Loony K wrote:
People paid him to tour his land. Something like a hundred bucks a head. And one of the youtube videos shows him talking about doing this at a very young age.
What I've quoted disturbs me, I don't know, but I'm not much of a fan of Sepp when I hear things like that. It reminds me of those prosperity preaching televangelists. Charging big bucks on tours and whatever other 'services' that he has provided seems to give the wrong message. Now, I have seen alot of videos on youtube of him, and he just looks like a poor, bum peasant. So who knows how much money he's really made on it, must have a stash somewhere if he really did profit alot.
Paulo Bessa wrote:I lived in Austria for 3 years and I never went to Sepp Holzer farm. Even though I know he has done such an amazing project.
Why? Because when I call him to visit his farm first he was really unfriendly and second he would charge 100 dollars per person.
I have visited some other farms around the world where I learnt a lot of permaculture, and it was for free!
I also never took a Pemaculture course (actually I never need it). I learnt everything from books, forums, visiting farms and mostly by doing it myself. But this is my personal perspective only. I spent very little money to educate myself about permaculture.
Everyone has its own sense of fairness concerning prices. To me it is fair to charge 30 dollars for a tour but 100 dollars is too much. Same goes for permaculture courses, I think most of them are too expensive for the value I consider they deliver. I personally think its much better to spend that same amount in a lot of seeds, books and visiting many more other farms for free.
rose macaskie wrote: A freind of mine who is living in germany says Sepp means lard or somthing of the sort , so as a child he liked ice creams eh, it all fits.
Your friend is confused...'Sepp is an affectionate nickname for Josep (pronounced yo-sep). The word your friend is likely thinking of is 'speck', a word that *could* mean lard, but usually means a pig's caul fat.
Just the linguist in me rebelling at the misunderstanding.
paul wheaton wrote:You can sell a butcher pig for $200. Some people sell them for $250. Some for $300. Some for $350. Some for $400.
So .... some people sell them for twice as much as others. Why is that?
Is the $400 pig better than the $200 pig?
What if you sell your pigs for $400 each and you sell about 50 per year. But you have a waiting list of 30 people wanting to buy pigs from you because they like your pigs better than the other pigs? Do you try to raise more pigs, or do you choose to raise the same number of pigs and just raise your price a bit?