no make-up / natural beauty

Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
From a purely pragmatic standpoint... I have come to associate painted faces with other chemicals that I consider dangerous, like those in: soaps, detergents, -cides, dryer sheets, fabric dyes, deodorants, antiperspirants, perfumes, food additives, new car smell, etc...

David Livingston wrote:Historically many make up products have been toxic gick of the worst kind .
Swift as ever said it best https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lady's_Dressing_Room
The sadest thing is those folks who bleach there skin to be pale ... I'm not black and have never had a black or otherwise none " white " partner ( although not for want of trying at times in the past ) be proud of you are and what you are !


David

David Livingston wrote:forget about the past in India and africa there are folks using lead oxide to look paler today as we speak
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R Scott wrote:I have noticed as our family improves our diet and detoxifies more of ourselves, my wife and daughters have a much brighter and younger looking complexion. Their inner beauty isn't clouded with toxins.

R Scott wrote:I have noticed as our family improves our diet and detoxifies more of ourselves, my wife and daughters have a much brighter and younger looking complexion. Their inner beauty isn't clouded with toxins.

What some black people do to their hair to meet someone else ideal of beauty is just obscene. The chemicals in hair straightener are just nasty. It would be assault or abuse to put that stuff on someone, but they do it to themselves.

William Bronson wrote:Joseph, do you hold the same attitude toward those who drink,smoke up, dip, or chew, smoke up, eat nitrates, factory meat, piercings, tattoos,etc? Is it just that the make-up is a visual signal?

Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
I'm generally critical about people poisoning themselves, from whatever source... I'm blessed/cursed with looking at a person and discerning the nature of the poisons that they are consuming, and/or the nutrient deficiencies that they are subjecting themselves to. Ever watched the people entering a store on a bright sunny day? About 10% exhibit the symptoms of vitamin A deficiency...

Jocelyn Campbell wrote:

Then of course there is Colbie Caillat's music video "Try" which shows all kinds of women with and (supposedly) without makeup:

Joseph Lofthouse wrote:Heels eh? That's another one of those fashion things that I avoid, because I think that heels are harmful to the body, and greatly increase the risk of injury to the wearer. And yes, I freely admit to being highly prejudiced against women wearing heels. So if my first impression of a woman is of her wearing heels, she's extremely unlikely to get the opportunity to make a second impression. Life to short. I don't have time to waste developing relationships with people that I have to teach basic life principles to, such as: "don't poison yourself", and "don't set yourself up to be injured".

The whole question of beauty is vexing. We are not to judge a person on their appearance? But every woman is beautiful? My person expresses my values, as in Paul's overalls, or someones else's designer purse, so it doesn't seem right to ignore what people might be trying to tell us.
Most of us seem to want the appreciation of our visual appearance by others, but only if we approve of the source and the manner in which the complement is delivered.
The right person,checking you out in the right way.

Joseph Lofthouse wrote:

Observing vitamin A deficiency is easy... Sit in the lobby of a building with auto opening doors, like a Walmart, on a bright sunny day, and watch the people come into the building... Most people will walk from the bright outside to the dim inside without breaking stride. About 10% to 20% will pause just inside the door, like they can't see where they are going... Their skin is usually off-tone, lacking coloration due to carotenes. The people that I have personally treated for vitamin A deficiency also suffered from stomach ailments like colitis, nausea, or throwing up, which can't really be observed on the street.

Wheat/sugar poisoning is easy as anything to see. If someone is obese, it's almost always due to wheat/sugar poisoning.

The inflammation in people's bodies due to eating too much Omega-6 oils and too little Omega-3 oils jumps out at me.

People with pale skin usually have vitamin D deficiency. It often manifests psychologically as being generally depressed.

Deficiencies in B vitamins often manifest psychologically, or as rashes, or cracks around the lips.

Heels eh? That's another one of those fashion things that I avoid, because I think that heels are harmful to the body, and greatly increase the risk of injury to the wearer. And yes, I freely admit to being highly prejudiced against women wearing heels. So if my first impression of a woman is of her wearing heels, she's extremely unlikely to get the opportunity to make a second impression. Life to short. I don't have time to waste developing relationships with people that I have to teach basic life principles to, such as: "don't poison yourself", and "don't set yourself up to be injured".

The funny things about heels,the heels on cowboy boots totally fuck with my feet, ankles, knees and back.

William Bronson wrote:

Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
Heels eh? That's another one of those fashion things that I avoid, because I think that heels are harmful to the body, and greatly increase the risk of injury to the wearer. And yes, I freely admit to being highly prejudiced against women wearing heels. So if my first impression of a woman is of her wearing heels, she's extremely unlikely to get the opportunity to make a second impression. Life to short. I don't have time to waste developing relationships with people that I have to teach basic life principles to, such as: "don't poison yourself", and "don't set yourself up to be injured".
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Most of these things seem like huge conclusions to jump to.
But you have experience I do not.

The funny things about heels,the heels on cowboy boots totally fuck with my feet, ankles, knees and back. when I was younger, I would shrug off these effects in the service of self expression.
Now a days , these boots stay in the closet.

I love your comments, William.

Since I developed celiac disease, I've discovered my body is much healthier without processed foods. Period. My skin cleared up, my weight dropped, I stopped looking and feeling constantly headachey and fatigued.

I put myself through college by dancing in nightclubs--you know the type. I have a profound respect for footwear. Dancing for 12-14 hours a day really makes an impact (no pun intended) on your feet. Your cowboy boots, incidentally, hurt your feet not just because of the 1-inch heel, but because of the thin soles, which transmit the shock of each step to the delicate ball of your foot and thence, to the arch. The heel exacerbates the effect by placing the weight of the foot onto the ball. Cowboy boots are mean for RIDING, not for walking. The heel is meant to keep the foot from slipping through the stirrup, creating a dangerous situation in the event the horse startles.

Regarding women's heels, a super-thin sole that flexes is the worst kind of thing you can do to your feet--with the possible exception of pointy toes, which cause bunions. (A bunion is the deformation of toe joints due to being held in an unnatural position.)

Heels do have benefits. They force women to adopt proper posture rather than slumping their shoulders forward and humping their spinal column. They put very petite (me) women at eye-level with men. They can change a shy, receding girl into a confident, outgoing women in a moment. However, as with other changes to one's body, they have to be chosen carefully, considering the stiffness of the tang, the with of the shoe box, the thickness of the sole, and the amount of arch support the shoe offers. I find that an open-toed shoe with a one-inch platform and five-inch heels offers excellent arch support, a wide toe box, and the additional height to make me feel confident in my place in the world.

Jocelyn Campbell wrote: ... When your face starts to wrinkle, even the best makeup often ends up accentuating those fine lines. So I think at older ages, ironically, you can look younger without it!

... Other thoughts or struggles with makeup?