Hazelnuts, when do you pick, and how do you store 'em?

Hazelnuts, how do I get a harvest I can keep until Chrismas?

I know what the books say, pick 'em when they start to change colour.  But, that's a fortnight away.  Instead, here is what normally happens.  We carefully watch our nuts get fat and test a few each day to see how the nuts are tasting.   We say to each other, if the weather keeps on like this, we will get a hearty nut harvest in about a week.

And by morning, it seems like there is about 10% fewer nuts.  Nothing on the ground.

And within 24 hours, all the remaining nuts will be gone.  Green, no shells, not evidence.   Just gone.

So someone thinks they are ripe.

Today.

A whole bunch are gone from yesterday. 8 of a dozen trees completely stripped of nuts!

So I'm gathering green nuts and they taste pleasant, they aren't ripe.

Not sure how to mature them yet,  just came in for a cuppa tea and to start off this conversation.   For those of you with nut expierence, when do you harvest and what do you do with them to help them last to Christmas feast?

I have no idea how to pick them for storing, but I suggest the most likely harvester is a squirrel, but recently, I've had evidence of rats climbing trees to harvest also.

This definitely needs more research in the Pacific North Wet, as one year when I thought I was picking them properly, when I dried and then tried to open them late in the fall, they were all empty.

It's always a different harvester for us.

Some years squirls, but they tend to take a week or three to eat this many nuts.  They always sort of hover in the background and a good way to tell when the nuts are ready.

Often it's crows.  We never get crows here, but once a year, about 3 or 4 am, for an hour, and all the nuts are gone.

Sometimes it's ravens, raccoons, and other harvesters.  

Last year, we picked some when the squirl started, they were all empty come Christmas.  It was very sad.  

r ransom wrote: Last year, we picked some when the squirl started, they were all empty come Christmas.  It was very sad.  

I think I read somewhere that if they aren't shelled shortly after picking, the nuts get reabsorbed into the remaining plant material around the nut. It didn't exactly make sense to me when I read it, and at this stage, I have no idea where I read it.

I do think more research needs to be done. My understanding is that Hazelnuts were a major food source for ancient British humans - so there has to be a way!

Isn't it just that the non-human harvesters are really adept at picking out the good nuts, and leave behind all the empty ones? It wouldn't really make sense for the nuts to reabsorb all the seeds that weren't eaten... If they did that, what seeds would germinate?

I read somewhere (possibly somewhere on here?) about a nut grower using squirrels as a work force, by placing buckets full of sawdust around his trees. The squirrels would harvest all the good nuts and bury most of them in the sawdust, and then the grower would take them, and leave some corn as payment for the squirrels.

Otherwise, it's probably very location dependent. The only time I have personally harvested any good amount of hazelnuts, it was in this weird and wonderful place that had a forest of hazel, elm and oak, which feels somewhat exotic to me, right next to mountains too high and barren for any trees at all. The nuts were all on the ground, brown and ripe, not even bug-infested as far as I remember, and there were lots of them. The area does have most of the critters mentioned, definitely squirrels, crows and ravens at least, so it definitely is possible to get a good harvest despite these. No idea what actually makes the difference though.

All i know is the unwanted harvesters take all the nuts, usually in an hour or two timespan.  We have almost two dozen trees coming to maturity, it's a lot of nuts to go missing in one day.

The thing is, the nuts are there when green, but gone by Christmas.   Right now we are getting 14 out of 15 with nuts in them.

I like the idea of getting squirls to help.  They are useful for chestnuts and if you can get them angry enough, will hearl the biggest ones at us from the highest branch.

I wonder if shelling, roasting, then freezing is an option?

I'm also hoping for a good mast year this year. The trees I planted have quite a lot of nuts on at the moment - it will be into September before they are ripe though, so I must not optimate.

r ransom wrote:I wonder if shelling, roasting, then freezing is an option?

I'm pretty sure they are supposed to keep longer in their shells than out of them.

I also think they keep better if they have been dried properly (which might involve heat?)

If you are shelling and freezing them, I don't know if they need roasting too.

I've got some nuts I harvested last year that I dried in a cool oven, shelled (lots of empty ones ), and put in a glass jar with a lid and they are still fine to eat.

Dehydrator in the shell?

I haven't observed the hazels as closely as R, but other than having less specific knowledge, my experience is the same. I can harvest them green but I have *never* gotten a ripe hazel from our woods.

I am new to hazelnuts.  I have four bushes out back, and last year was the first nut-bearing year for two of the plants.  I read everything I could get my hands on and watched many videos to boot.  I learned that I should wait until I can move the nut inside the papery wrapping.  Once I can do that it's ripe enough.  Then, I could pull off the clusters and separate the nuts from their wrapping.  From there I just put the nuts in a bowl to have when I wanted some.  I probably only got about two cups of nuts, but they all were full and delicious.  I ate the last of them in early June and they were just fine.  

Being that they just started to produce, I'm worried that the squirrels just weren't aware of them being there yet.  It may be a completely different story this year.  I am growing them mainly so that I can make some nutella; hopefully, I'll have enough for a batch or two!  I also have two heartnut trees started out back.  I'm hoping that between the six plants, I'll have some for me.  I hope to use those in pesto in place of purchased walnuts or pine nuts.  For a while I considered growing pine nuts, but the trees don't produce for many, many years, and I'm 65, so....heart nuts seemed like the better option.

The only thing I have to add to this discussion (well, two things) is 1. I've read that if you put the (presumably ripe) nuts in a bucket of water, the full ones will sink and the empty ones will float. Worth a try, anyway.  And 2. There are huge commercial orchards raising filberts/hazelnuts. There must be a website or forum somewhere with the information you all are looking for? If nothing else, maybe Burnt Ridge Nursery has a website where people can ask questions? Or maybe someone lives close enough to the nursery to go and ask in person? Because I know they sell filbert/hazelnut trees.

As for nut thieves: the Jays "harvest" my 2 trees before fully ripe (ripe brown and easy to roll out of the green cover). I have lots of new hazel trees throughout my orchard and in the loaving shed due to Jays planting them. I have been re-planting them mostly in my developing hedge rows.

As to ripeness, i gather the ones the jays drop to the ground as soon as I can otherwise mice and voles are WAY too well fed. These ones that have started to brown seem to not shrink into nothingness, but I know of what you speak: I've had that happen with ones i've picked earlier than the Jays (thinking I would beat them to the harvest; HA!)  I dry them on my soil sifting racks (hardware cloth on a wooden frame), covered by another sifter so the mice and jays don't steal them from the loafing shed. I rub off the husk when they are dry and then store them in a moderately heat/cool tempered room (I don't have a commonly temp-controlled room as I live rather primatively).  I've had some of them for a couple years before shelling and the majority are still tasty, solid nuts.

I long to learn how others keep the jays off: I don't mind sharing my various harvests, but I do want a sizeable portion of my goodies.

   These images on Google photos don't seem to show up correctly; sorry

when we were doing "commercial" harvesting of them, some of the other growers would have a helicopter fly over and rattle them with their wind from flying. they were not considered ready until the tree dropped them. the machine we picked them up with was a huge beast that vacuumed up everything and had a space between the exit chute and the tote on a trailer that heavier things would drop out of the exit wind-stream, before the tote, and lighter stuff would somewhat go past, but it wasn't the best option for getting the "dud" out. if you are "picking them off of the tree/bush - then they are probably not ready. usually after labor day here in PNW. they got dried in the shell at the commercial buyers.
we would usually save a couple hundred pound for ourselves, shell them  and roast them, often with seasoning flavorings. shelling them without drying them, of course, the roasting handled that.
a quick way to check for good versus duds is to (out of the husk) float them. duds will float. good ones will sink.
hope that helps, although I don't know what (lots of options) is harvesting ahead of you. trail cam might help, then appropriate action could p[possibly be taken.

We've always gathered hazelnuts after they fall to the ground and have more than I know what to do with, especially with a nut allergy in our family. I often end up tossing handfuls into the pig bucket to use them up. We've never had any wildlife harvest any because they are near the center of our property and our dogs keep deer, squirrels etc away. I will have to watch this year though since we experimented with no free-ranging poultry for the year and instead we have a lot of cow birds and crows that hang with our cattle daily. Hopefully the crows won't get them all!

Jay Angler wrote:I have no idea how to pick them for storing, but I suggest the most likely harvester is a squirrel, but recently, I've had evidence of rats climbing trees to harvest also.

This definitely needs more research in the Pacific North Wet, as one year when I thought I was picking them properly, when I dried and then tried to open them late in the fall, they were all empty.

Thanks for the warning. I don't think there are squirrels at the allotment garden, where my hazelnut tree is, but there are rats! I never thought of rats climbing trees, but of course they can (they climb in ships, buildings, etc.)

Edit to add: there are crows and (European) jays here too ...

Barbara Simoes wrote:I am new to hazelnuts.  I have four bushes out back, and last year was the first nut-bearing year for two of the plants.  I read everything I could get my hands on and watched many videos to boot.  I learned that I should wait until I can move the nut inside the papery wrapping.  Once I can do that it's ripe enough.  Then, I could pull off the clusters and separate the nuts from their wrapping.  From there I just put the nuts in a bowl to have when I wanted some.  I probably only got about two cups of nuts, but they all were full and delicious.  I ate the last of them in early June and they were just fine.  
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For me this year will be the first year with a few hazelnuts. When I first rented that allotment garden a few years ago, the small young tree was there already. But now I saw some nuts growing. This week I'll try some if they are ripe (as you describe: if they can be separated from their wrapping).

After reading this post, I went to check on the hazelnut bush outside my door, which I had noticed had a couple nuts on it this year. A couple years ago I got a decent clutch of nuts from this bush, which is kinda crouched under a grafted persimmon tree, as well as right outside my door, so the squirrels had overlooked it. I don't think they wait for nuts to be fully ripe, judging from the way they strip my fruit trees a good six weeks before the fruit is ripe.
I found the nut had a little brown on the husk, and it popped out of the husk readily, so I picked and shelled all the rest--I kept finding more. I didn't think they were ready this early, so I'm glad I saw this post.