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Sometimes people post naked videos (embedding youtube videos without any text - no not videos of naked things).  

Sometimes this looks like spam and it isn't intended to.

Other times it's fine.

Sometimes it makes things difficult for the moderators because we don't have time to watch six hours of video to see if a single post meets publishing standards.  This is especially difficult in cider press conversations.

Other times it's fine.

What's our policy?  At this time, I haven't seen Paul Wheaton (owner of permies.com) set out a policy about this.  

So I'm going to make a suggestion that will increase the likelihood of moderators loving your posts and not mistaking it for spam:  When posting a video, include a couple of sentences what the video is about and indicate in some way why it is relevant to the conversation.  (this is also really good advice when you want to share a link to something nifty)

Not only would this help the staff, help people with slow internet, but also it makes the video (or link) you shared more likely to get views.  



 
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Recently, we have noticed a few people are posting videos with content that is not nice. Seemingly as a way to bypass the be nice rule for conversations on this forum.

If you notice videos like that, please use the report button to bring them to the moderators attention. I don't want to watch videos, so it would be a huge help to the staff if those of you that are watching them would vet them for us.

 
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In a large facebook group that I admin we have a "no naked links" rule. If you think something is worth sharing then we expect you to make a comment of your own to at least start a discussion. As you say, there is a huge amount of content out there that would not meet the group standards and sometimes videos are a way to sneak that by the moderators.
 
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Man I thought this was about videos of naked people. lol
 
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Seriously, I don`t think I have the required level of maturity either.
 
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te he.
got your attention with my double entendre.
 
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A few more posts like this came up overnight from various users.

Some of them looked a lot like spam and off-topic.  

A few posts had two or more hours of video and no text describing what was in the video.  To watch all those videos in those posts it would take about 18 hours.  I suspect these were removed out of exasperation!  

We're volunteers here.  We donate our time to keep permies a nice place to hang out.  Posting edge case videos and expecting some poor sod to watch hours and hours of video to see if your post meets publishing standards doesn't seem like nice behaviour to me.  I had a quick glance at those edge case posts and I think the staff involved were absolutely right to remove that content - not because it did or didn't meet publishing standards but because it was disrespectful to expect the staff to spend that much time watching a video to see if a post met publishing standards.  

What it feels like is that a few people are trying to get around publishing standards by spamming us with excess video content and if the content of that video doesn't meet publishing standards, they can say "well I didn't make that video, so you have no right to remove my post".  I'm sure it isn't their intention to come across this way.  But it is what it feels like they are doing.  

I repeat my earlier suggestion: When posting a video, it helps the staff immensely if you can include a couple of sentences what the video is about and indicate in some way why it is relevant to the conversation.  
 
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Michael Cox wrote:In a large facebook group that I admin we have a "no naked links" rule. If you think something is worth sharing then we expect you to make a comment of your own to at least start a discussion. As you say, there is a huge amount of content out there that would not meet the group standards and sometimes videos are a way to sneak that by the moderators.



I vote for adopting this policy.

It should be easy to justify why a video is worth sharing, and not difficult to write a few words about how it is relevant to the discussion.
I've also seen viewing notes such as "the good part starts at 12:34:56, skip to there if you like." which direct a viewer to the relevant passage.
 
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Most of the time, naked videos don't cause an issue.  

Sometimes they are encouraged (Meaningless drivel threads for example).

I would hate it we had to make a site-wide standard because a few users are attempting to take advantage.

I started this thread so we can point people to it if they are having problems with their naked video posts vanishing.
 
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I started a poll to allow people to give feedback about how often they watch videos that are embedded into permies. https://permies.com/t/119414/
 
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r ranson wrote:Sometimes people post naked videos (embedding youtube videos without any text - no not videos of naked things).  

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So I'm going to make a suggestion that will increase the likelihood of moderators loving your posts and not mistaking it for spam:  When posting a video, include a couple of sentences what the video is about and indicate in some way why it is relevant to the conversation.  (this is also really good advice when you want to share a link to something nifty)

Not only would this help the staff, help people with slow internet, but also it makes the video (or link) you shared more likely to get views.  



I'll make a further suggestion that videos be shorter than 5 or 6 minutes. If the poster thinks a longer video is important, its length should be stated, and a correspondingly longer description and rationale should be included. This clearly shows respect to the forum and its viewers.
 
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I really dislike when folks don't put at least some sort of explanation for a video they post. Just posting a video with nothing explaining why, generally I wont even bother to watch it. the only exception to this is a thread that the person has been posting videos and pics in regularly.

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r ranson wrote:Sometimes people post naked videos (embedding youtube videos without any text - no not videos of naked things).  

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So I'm going to make a suggestion that will increase the likelihood of moderators loving your posts and not mistaking it for spam:  When posting a video, include a couple of sentences what the video is about and indicate in some way why it is relevant to the conversation.  (this is also really good advice when you want to share a link to something nifty)

Not only would this help the staff, help people with slow internet, but also it makes the video (or link) you shared more likely to get views.  



I'll make a further suggestion that videos be shorter than 5 or 6 minutes. If the poster thinks a longer video is important, its length should be stated, and a correspondingly longer description and rationale should be included. This clearly shows respect to the forum and its viewers.



I have to say the 5 min attention span of our society is rather sad. Youtube videos over 5 min get significantly less views. The saddest part is people will watch 100's of 5 min videos spending hours watching them, but then complain about a video that is 15 min being too long instead of thinki8ng that is just 3 5 min videos in 1. A lot of the videos I watch tend to be more 10-20 min range. But I am also not watching tons of cat, and fail videos on youtube. I tend to look for stuff with good info that6 takes a bit more than 5 min.

I sometimes post longer videos, an hour or more, and will post a link as well as the embedded. With the explanation that it is a longer vid and someone might want to watch at their leisure.
 
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I'll make a further suggestion that videos be shorter than 5 or 6 minutes. If the poster thinks a longer video is important, its length should be stated, and a correspondingly longer description and rationale should be included. This clearly shows respect to the forum and its viewers.



I have to say the 5 min attention span of our society is rather sad. Youtube videos over 5 min get significantly less views. The saddest part is people will watch 100's of 5 min videos spending hours watching them, but then complain about a video that is 15 min being too long instead of thinki8ng that is just 3 5 min videos in 1. A lot of the videos I watch tend to be more 10-20 min range. But I am also not watching tons of cat, and fail videos on youtube. I tend to look for stuff with good info that6 takes a bit more than 5 min.

I sometimes post longer videos, an hour or more, and will post a link as well as the embedded. With the explanation that it is a longer vid and someone might want to watch at their leisure.



I wasn't referring to attention span but to time commitment and topic focus. Longer videos often ramble. Personally, I'm trying to reduce my screen time in favour of productivity.
 
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