Davin Hoyt wrote:Ash and I sat down with Paul to get another iteration of Paul's thoughts.
My sum-up is as follows, and I will apply this to my thinking for all of Paul's (Wheaton Lab) projects going forward:
This piece of architecture needs to be an "artifact"; needs to encompass Wheaton Labs' values, and elicit divine imagination through it's aesthetics.
The following images show where the design is currently. Please comment. Thanks!
Ash Jackson wrote:*cue dueling piano music*
New concept sketch. I'm sure it's hard to parse. Think berm shed x solar dehydrator with a glass roof.
(In all seriousness, the way I see it, we're not dueling, but instead are using our varied tools and skills to try to reach the end goal.
Glenn Herbert wrote:Question: Early in the thread, it was mentioned that this would not be a greenhouse with plants, but strictly a social solarium. Is the shelf in recent iterations now planned to hold plants, or something else? It doesn't seem practical as a bench.
Glenn Herbert wrote:Sketch of concepts above:
Glenn Herbert wrote:No, but I would be happy to do so if there is demand for it. This summer seems like a good bet for safely having small gatherings and workshops.
Mike Haasl wrote:
I'm not sure what kind of roofing materials are acceptable for the site. I'm assuming asphalt shingles are out. At that slope I doubt wood shingles would work. Would metal roofing be ok Jen?
Mike Haasl wrote:I'm also wondering if the beam/posts against the garage are needed. Might the header for the garage door be enough to hold up that end of the solarium? Maybe they are needed cuz they'd look cool...
Mike Haasl wrote:If they're right up against the garage, couldn't they be tied to the structure of the garage and then they won't sway in any direction. Then they wouldn't need braces at all?
Mike Haasl wrote:If someone wanted to get fancy, and they had a sawmill, they could take those two posts and the beam and mill a flat off of the side facing the garage. Then they could be slid to the north until they touch the garage and can be bolted right to it. It would still be structural roundish wood but attached to the garage for simplicity.
Glenn Herbert wrote:The existing garage wall might be strong enough to bear the new shed roof load, but I think the roundwood posts at the sides of the garage door would significantly enhance the feel of the space, while not depending on uncertain support from the existing structure. The posts do not need to be as big as sketched; that was in line with previous talk about sizes. I would want braces toward the center of the beam span, though they would not need to start below tall shoulder height. I don't know exactly how high the garage door opening is, or how high the shed roof can be without hitting the existing roof eave.
I am sure bolting the posts to the existing wall would be sound, but my understanding of the space is that examples of natural building methods are desirable, and independent posts scribed to plinth rocks would be highly noticeable and impressive. The span from existing wall to edge of shed is short enough that close-fitted roundwood rafters would be practical, and could support whatever insulation is desired, and then metal roofing as the most practical material avoiding petroleum products.
Glenn Herbert wrote:What floor material is contemplated? Concrete for durability and matching the existing floor, or a more natural material? As long as it is strong enough to stand up to use, it will be strong enough to stabilize plinth rocks.
Mike Haasl wrote:I was thinking about the stone plinths last night. If they excavate down to bedrock (2-24"), is there a non-cement way to build up a stone base that the posts can stand upon? Some portion of that plinth or rock assembly would be at or below grade and possibly subject to moisture. I don't know my natural cobs/mortars so I'm well out of my league in that department.
Mike Haasl wrote:How much insulation is planned/needed for the ceiling? Does the garage have any now? The overall thickness of the roof (with roundwood rafters) might start to add up.
Mike Haasl wrote:Sweet! I suspect you could skip the headers and extra header support wood around the doors since that wall wouldn't be load bearing.
With a metal roof I think you'll still want a water proof layer under it so that condensation on the underside doesn't drip into the insulation. Hopefully the experts can confirm that. So something like tar paper. And it would have to be supported by some roof decking, or at least some purlins running perpendicular to the rafters on a closer spacing than you'd need for merely attaching the roofing panels.
Mike Haasl wrote:10' isn't a very long roof span so I'm guessing you could get by with 2x6 rafters. If you could flatten the tops of the two main beams, the rafters would sit nicely in the same plane.
Mike Haasl wrote:Silly question. If a 3' exterior planter is acceptable, why not make it a 1.5' planter and make the solarium 1.5' bigger? Unless it causes some struggles with materials or spans, it seems like an easy way to get more square footage without limiting the turn around area...