the probation post feature

It may be because I've locked the thread in question Christopher - sorry about that (I wasn't sure what would happen. but we know now!) I'll unlock it for you and that should enable you to modify your post.
Thanks

Christopher Weeks wrote:Post probation seems like a great idea. Thanks for implementing it and thanks to the staff who use it!

I discovered this thread because I have a post in probation. The PM that I got tells me to go edit it and gives me a hint at what's problematic, but I appear to be unable to edit or post in that thread. Is there a time-out period before I can perform the edit?

a link to the post?

r ranson wrote:a link to the post?

My no-longer-problematic post is out of probation now, though if the thread-lock is my fault, that's a shame.

Can you guys look back at the trail of edits made if you want to see what I did that was problematic? I'm just curious if that's built into the software -- it seems like it would help with moderation discussions.

It looks like you made an edit to the post and the edit was approved and fixed the issue.
 
The edit button does disappear after a time.  I'll see if I can dig up the thread where paul talks about that.

This is the best I can find.  It's about deleting but it's more or less the same reason.  https://permies.com/t/68634/deleting-stuff

People were being less than excellent and editing their posts to make other people's replies look stupid and well... you know.  

I think we're all good. What you described is what happened. As Nancy noted above, she locked the thread and I was unable to edit my problem post until she unlocked it. And I'm aware of the edit-expiry, though I don't know the exact timeframe.

I need to drink coffee before coming online.  I didn't even notice the thread was locked even after you said.  

Off to feed the chickens and then feed my drug habit - caffeine addiction for the win.  

Christopher Weeks wrote: My no-longer-problematic post[/url] is out of probation now, though if the thread-lock is my fault, that's a shame.

Staff don't take the action of locking a thread without discussion and consensus-building. The decision was being considered long before you made your last post, and in fact was pretty much made before you posted - your post did create a bit of a problem which you and Nancy managed with wonderful cooperation, which all the staff appreciate. Some of the discussion was on the edge of subjects that need to be posted in the Cider Press to ensure that Trolls don't invade and spread toxic nastiness.

Permies have a lot of volunteer staff in many time zones and with many different interests and experiences. Our goal is to keep permies.com the nicest, most helpful, and most supportive site on the interweb. We appreciate your wonderful posts and your willingness to work with us to help achieve this goal.

After reading the purple moose page about being put on probation I am sill absolutely confused as to what it is I have put incorrectly.

Can the moderator please shed some light on this for me so I can edit it. I would appreciate some help with this.

Hi Annette

When a post is made quoting something someone else said, look at the end of the quote for this:

[/ quote]

You would start your comments below that so that it is obvious which person said what.

I hope this helps.

What I said is exactly what happens.
I have sat across a table from 50 plus folks who are so far beyond the end of their rope that there isn't a string in sight.
And that negative letter just whacks the breath out of their spirit.
Partly because they are already at a really low point.

I have talked to insurance actuators and the people who's job it is to say yes or no..
They admitted that they even go so far as to time denials around bad news and crisis events.

The goal is to accept the blow.. then get mad..
Because in that anger is action.
And action and resistance is what is needed to appeal.

So..
That post was aimed at one particular person.  
Sometimes people need to know that others are on their side.
In their corner.. have faced the dragons and survived a little scorched but victorious.

I hope the person I aimed that post at felt all of that.
Go ahead and delete it.
Thanks. Nola

Nola Marth wrote:...And that negative letter just whacks the breath out of their spirit.
Partly because they are already at a really low point...

A really important skill we try to nurture here on permies, is how to empathize with other users without "accusing," "insulting," "bad-mouthing" etc some other group.

AAP is your chance to practice that skill, and at least for the moment, you've chosen not to try, but instead you appear to prefer to hold onto your anger - justified or otherwise - instead of teaching your target user with useful, affirmative, supportive information.

Permies is a perennial site. Yes, you targeted a specific user, but who knows who might come along next month, next year, next decade with the same question, and find that same thread. Are you willing to give it a go, choose a nicer way to express your feelings, and have your post available to some future user?

The forum only has one rule: Be Nice

Paul said, "We are all rather passionate about many of these issues, and sometimes we slip into a space where our words leave room for the interpretation that the people of this community are .... less than perfect.

https://permies.com/t/2296/nice

Other helpful threads:

https://permies.com/t/17422/permies-publishing-standards

https://permies.com/t/36971/safe-place-gentle-souls-talk

*sigh*

Well, I didn't expect to find myself here this evening, but my current experience is causing significant enough confusion that I figure I should care enough to provide some feedback to you folks who have invested your energy into trying to hold this place together.

(Thanks for that, by the way... really.)

So anyway, I'm not going to try to argue that the post that brought me here was especially well written or didn't need to be edited. I already acknowledged in a prior post that I was frustrated and let that get the better of me and come out in ways it probably shouldn't have.

I am admittedly still a little confused at the parts of the post which were chosen to take issue with and the level of issue it has become... and most of all confused by the fact that I received a message telling me that I had the opportunity to edit the post to correct the problem, and yet when I attempted to do that the post/thread is locked?



I am also a little... fascinated I guess? By the fact that  in the message I was told to "drop the snotty quotes" from around a word which it says was particularly hostile. Even looking back and acknowledging that I should have been more cordial, while I would be more than willing to edit that word if required, that is NOT one of the points in the post where I felt like my frustration got away from me - I meant nothing hostile by it AT ALL. And so for the response to be told that I was using "snotty quotes" feels, well, let's just call it snotty.

Again, I would have been willing to edit that part of the post if given the chance, and actually agree that other parts probably would have benefited from it. But I question the practice of throwing back labels like "snotty quotes" when that seems like exactly the type of practice you're trying to curb here. (Right?)




Anyway, like I said, as tempting as it is to explain "my side" of the situation, I can't really claim to have handled it well. I truly wish both sides had, because I genuinely wanted to have an honest discussion and felt frustrated when it wasn't happening.

But the reason I'm here is that it just felt pretty odd to get called snotty by an auto-mod message telling me to go edit my post which I can't seem to edit or reply to.

Like some kind of really weird Permie-Rick-Roll...

🎶Never gonna till you up... Always gonna mulch you down...🎶

John, there was a lot of surgery being done on that thread by multiple staff. If we were less than perfect, sorry about that. The thread is now unlocked so you can edit.

John,

First, i gotta say that I have no idea what is going on where.  But when people post to the tinkering forum I usually read it.  

Second, your account is tagged with "cooperative. trying to help. will respond well to AAP."  ---   a lot of other accounts are marked as "just delete.  Does not respond well to AAP."   So, yay?

Finally, I would like to take this moment to point out that all the permies staff are unpaid and untrained.  So a bit of klunky from time to time is to be expected.  Our theme song is "make the best of it."