What I see are lots of dreamers subsidizing a fantasy with income made some other way. We are trying to change the world for the better, and I can't think of anything more important than that, but we still have to eke out a living in the meantime.
Collin Vickers wrote:Hey Permies,
But, I don't see the produce. Where are the videos and pictures testifying to the permie cornucopia? Is there even one person making the coveted $100k annual farm-based income, or feeding the masses top quality food for less than the megamarts? Are the ones that can do it staying home to do it, while those that can't settle for teaching it?
Judith Browning wrote:It's a lifestyle choice. You just keep trying because it fits your principles, how you see your place in the world, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Financial success can't be the only the reason to live this way... it's about the journey...trying to mindfully choose each step...we can't live any other way with a clear conscience. Just do your best for the planet on whatever scale you can manage.
If you are truly spending more growing vegetables in your backyard than it would cost to buy them locally, I think you might want to question your methods rather than permaculture.
Collin Vickers wrote:Could there be someone out there doing the unglorified, off-camera, unpublished work of permaculture and realizing the dream?
Jay Green wrote: But...failing having a road map to success, what will you do? Did Sepp have someone leading the way so that he could calculate risks and foretell his financial future....or did he just put his life into finding out on his own?
Sometimes there is no road map into an idea or paradigm and, yes, it sure would be handy to have one....but do we wait around until someone tears themselves away from actually applying what they learned so they can draw a map for others? Or do we pull up our panties and just take a risk?
Why don't I do so myself? Because I wouldn't have anything to offer anyone. I have no business pretending to be someone else's teacher. Speculating, or parroting what I've heard from others without the experience to understand the underlying reality isn't going to do anyone any favors.
Collin Vickers wrote:Point well taken Jay, I agree 100%. Experience can't be replaced, and cookie-cutter permie farms are an impossibility.
The point of this topic originally was to indicate my personal feeling that there is a broad gap in the knowledge base available online and in books - lots of little tricks and tips, but not much in the way of comprehensive information. I'd like to see more of the nitty gritty, that's all.
I'll stop flogging this dead horse there.
Collin Vickers wrote:
Among the world's intentional communities, does anyone know of any that are founded on, or reaping the benefits of, permaculture?