Mike Haasl

My 1950's house has floor joists on 16" centers, 1x6 t&g subfloor boards running 45 degrees across the joists, and the flooring was on top of that.  Kinda squeaky but it's solid.

That was probably old growth wood though.  If I were replicating it today, I'd look for 1" rough cut boards (pine or similar), plane them down a little bit if they're too variable in thickness, maybe t&g them, and install them perpendicular to the joists.  

Maybe do a mock-up of some joists and the boards you find to see how beefy they are.  14" centers on the joists would really stiffen it up, if needed.

It's 10 days away and I can't wait!!!  The natural building workshop went well and there will be dirty hands during the convergence from the clay plaster.  I'm going to bring along some pine planer shavings to attempt a "clay slip shaving" wall insulation system.  Watered down clay and straw works, so why not with planer shavings?  

The food committee is sorting out the food so please get your ticket sooner rather than waiting til the last minute so they buy the right amount.

I hear there will be a sound bath...

Thanks everyone!!  I guess I hadn't thought of the naturality of the drain.  I'll have to look at options but I'm guessing those will end up being pvc.

I like the upside down SS table idea William!  It reminds me that I should go to the surplus/refurbished kitchen supply warehouse and see if they have anything like that.  Or anything else that might work...  We are trying to avoid cement.

I also like the tadelakt idea but I'm guessing I wouldn't be able to get it to actually work.

I don't know any hobby metal benders but I can ask my network.

I am thinking of using the cheap fake metal roofing sheets that they use for wainscoting as the shower walls...

I'm contemplating a shower in a tiny home.  The owner wants the whole build to be natural (metal allowed).  I'm struggling to find good options for a natural shower pan to collect shower water and keep it from rotting out the naturally insulated floor.  They might be ok with a fiberglass shower base but they're fairly expensive these days.

All I can think of is a metal container of some sort that can be repurposed.  Some options are:

- Galvanized wash tub
       - Pros are it's pretty water proof, would keep a shower curtain contained and could be hauled outside to dump if a drain isn't included.  
       - Con is that it's kinda high to step into and not likely big enough for comfortable shower dancing (24" dia).



- Galvanized square stock tank
      - Pros are that it's water proof, would keep a curtain contained and is shower sized (34" on a side)
      - Cons are that it's $170 so a bit pricier than the alternatives



- Water heater leak catch pan
       - Pros are that it's flat bottomed, water tight, cheap and has a side drain hole
       - Cons are that it's flimsy, may not keep a shower curtain inside it, is only 28" diameter, and has a side drain hole



- Washing machine drain pan
       - Pros: Has a drain, beefy, 32x30 is borderline size, rectangular
       - Cons: Fiberglass, won't keep a shower curtain inside it



- Duct drain pan
       - Pros: didn't know it existed in the world, leak proof, cheap, square
       - Cons: Only 24", need a better threshold, shallow, probably flimsy



- Big piece of galvanized metal and bend it into a pan shape
       - Pros: likely cheap and within my abilities, customizable to fit the shower space, custom threshold height
       - Cons: don't know where to get a piece of galvanized sheet metal that big (48" square?)

Any other ideas or thoughts?  Thanks!

I think that since it's generally considered a tended space (the park), that would seem too much like a cultivated tree to be easy to approve

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I assumed that's why you posted it.  They look like patches to me?

And who has 7 laptops?

Before you cut that tree down, it looks like one of the few that is providing any shade and shelter for far arrakis. Where those few big trees are, the brush and greenery seems to eek out a survival underneath and to the north of them.  When they get cut down, everything around them seems to shift more to rock and dust.

I realize that converting to deciduous trees is a huge goal for the site.  Please consider using those big trees as some sun protection and mulch generation (needle drop) for those deciduous trees during their first decade of life as they try to get roots down to a bit of water.

Sorry, just my .04 cents