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Using materials that are from a garden or from the wild, establish a collection of medicines.  

This badge requires that you keep a journal.   The purpose is to build knowledge of the efficacy of the plants on a particular property. If you move, you have to start a new journal (or somehow indicate which notes came from which property).


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create a natural medicine journal

dry for a tea, infusion or decoction - create one
  ginger root
  peppermint leaf
  mullein leaf
  chamomile blossom
  lavender blossom
  alfalfa leaf or blossom
  oat straw
  lemon balm
  raspberry leaf
  strawberry leaf
  oregon grape stem or root bark
  rose hips, buds, blossom petals
  elderberries

Do 5 of the tasks below:

vinegar infusion - create one
  fire cider
  elderberry
  garlic
  lavender blossom plus hibiscus blossom

oil infusion - create one
  mullein blossom and garlic
  calendula blossom
  balm of gilead (Cottonwood Buds)
  arnica blossom

salve - create one
  calendula blossom
  balm of gilead (Cottonwood Buds)
  comfrey leaf
  peppermint leaf

tincture - create one
  dandelion root
  echinacea blossom, leaf or root
  oregano leaf
  cayenne fruit
  oregon grape stem or root bark

poultice (fresh or freeze) - create one
  plantain leaf
  comfrey leaf
  ginger root

syrup or gummies - create one
  rosehip
  elderberry
  echinacea blossom, leaf or root

create one infusion (hot or cold) from fresh or dried materials
  chamomile blossom
  lavender blossom
  peppermint leaf

create one decoction from fresh or dried materials
  dandelion root
  ginger root
  stinging nettle leaf
  thyme

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Nicole Alderman wrote:I'll try and get some of these badge bits started today at nap!



I want to work on this too, but won’t be able till tonight. By then I’ll be able too see which ones will still need work.
 
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I know it's the wrong time to ask questions, with the kickstarter starting and such, but I 'm gonna leave it here, and look for an answer whenever there is time:

For the BB pages on tinctures, since the tincture is not actually ready to be bottled in its finished form till weeks later, wwhat do we want students to post as proof of completion? (for the other concoctions it's a picture of the finished prroduct in its labeled jar).

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I'm thinking it might be necessary to wait until the two weeks is over? Which seems really annoying, but since this is all about making the preparations correctly and safely, I think we might need the picture of it all the way finished. I'll let Paul make that call, though.
 
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all the way finished.

It is okay if it takes a few months to complete a BB.
 
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Do we post for BB certification on this thread, or wait for individual BB threads to occur?  Do you need help creating threads for each?
 
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Beau Davidson wrote:Do we post for BB certification on this thread, or wait for individual BB threads to occur?  Do you need help creating threads for each?



Pretty sure Paul wants us to wait until the thread is made, though I can manually move a post to the thread once it's made...but it's a bit of work and I might forget to. So, probably best to wait, but if you really need to post it before you forget or lose the pictures, I can work with that, too.

I would be WONDERFUL to have help making these BBs! Just follow the format of the other ones, and we can turn it into a wiki and add in any formatting that was confusing. So, yes! Please help make Badge Bit threads if you can! You'll get a ton of apples and pie for it, too!!!
 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:

Beau Davidson wrote:Do we post for BB certification on this thread, or wait for individual BB threads to occur?  Do you need help creating threads for each?



Pretty sure Paul wants us to wait until the thread is made, though I can manually move a post to the thread once it's made...but it's a bit of work and I might forget to. So, probably best to wait, but if you really need to post it before you forget or lose the pictures, I can work with that, too.

I would be WONDERFUL to have help making these BBs! Just follow the format of the other ones, and we can turn it into a wiki and add in any formatting that was confusing. So, yes! Please help make Badge Bit threads if you can! You'll get a ton of apples and pie for it, too!!!



I'm in no big hurry, but I'll pitch in where I see that one needs starting!
 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:I'm thinking it might be necessary to wait until the two weeks is over? Which seems really annoying, but since this is all about making the preparations correctly and safely, I think we might need the picture of it all the way finished. I'll let Paul make that call, though.


I've always understood that a tincture needs at least six weeks, not two weeks.  I tincture mine for at least 6 (or until I get around to straining them).
 
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In the "dry for a tea BB," ( https://permies.com/wiki/108875/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-dry ) it looks like Paul was thinking it would be removed to simplify the badge. Is that still the case?
 
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Some thoughts about the journal requirements for the sand badges.

It's important to document the efficacy of the concoction and the ingredients.  

But I'm also wondering if for the sand badges if there is some way to make the journaling aspect of the BBs simpler to encourage people who have never done this sort of thing before to give it a try.

These are my ideas - I would love your thoughts on this (especially Nicole and lesley as you've both made some lovely BB pages for the Natural Medicine)

1. what if the BB description could include a bit about why we are making this?
2.  what if some of the journal requirements were optional?  

What do you guys think?
 
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r ranson wrote:
1. what if the BB description could include a bit about why we are making this?
2.  what if some of the journal requirements were optional?  



Agreed.  On both.

I think the journal is required for efficacy on a plot of land.  So there needs to be some information on the recipe used to make a batch, and, in time, some reporting on the efficacy.

But the journal for the BB should be focused on just the things to determine efficacy.  At least that would be the requirement.   Further documentation in the journal would probably earn additional otis points.



 
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r ranson wrote:
These are my ideas - I would love your thoughts on this (especially Nicole and lesley as you've both made some lovely BB pages for the Natural Medicine)
...
2.  what if some of the journal requirements were optional?  

What do you guys think?



Looking at this beautifully made BB https://permies.com/wiki/110608/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-infusion , I'm wondering if it can be improved.  

At the sand level, what do we really need to know?

a. how to identify the plants
b. how to make the concoction
c. what the concoction does

This is what we have right now.

To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must post:  
- a picture of your journal page about Lavendar & Hibiscus Infused Vinegar.
- a picture of your journal pages about the uses and attributes of: lavendar, hibiscus, and apple cider vinegar
- a picture of your ingredients
- a picture of your ingredients in vinegar
- a picture of your completed infused vinegar in a labeled container



I tried making this, but it still feels too long.

To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must post:  
- a picture of your journal page about Lavendar & Hibiscus Infused Vinegar.
- a picture of your journal page(s) identifying lavender and hibiscus
- a picture of your ingredients
- a picture of your ingredients in vinegar
- a picture of your completed infused vinegar in a labelled container



But I wonder, if we have a journal page identifying lavender, could we reuse it for all the badges that include lavender?

 
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r ranson wrote:
But I wonder, if we have a journal page identifying lavender, could we reuse it for all the badges that include lavender?



Oh, yes, very much so! So, the more badge bits you do, the less you have to do. You're just showing your picture of the page--if the page has already been made, lovely!

So, basically, for this badge bit, you're making 9 things. You get to pick which nine. So, if you've got a lot of comfery, you could do both the poultice and the salve, saving you having to write up about two ingredients. You could do Dandelion for the tincture, decoction, and dried--so that's one page rather than three. You could do calendula for both oil and salve. And then elderberry for vinegar infusion and gummies. If you really hacked it, I think you could do just 5 ingredient pages for the 9 badges.

What I think might be better, if writing the pages and making the thing is taking too long (I'll admit that I haven't done a badge, so I don't know), that we let people "Choose to make 5 of these 9 items." or something. I think it was really important to the people who study and do natural medicine that the people who get a badge in it, really know what they're doing. I think quality over quantity is better.
 
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Being a total novice in this arena, and seriously looking at doing the steps for this badge; yes, I agree that the bb's look like a lot of work, but I also value the quality aspect as well.

When I'm creating this stuff (and then administering it!), I want to be absolutely, positively sure I've got it right. I don't know what constitutes an appropriate level of knowledge for sand.

When I combed through the bb's, I figured the overlap of plant identification stuff was an intended synergy.

(Edit/add, to...ya know...address R's original post)
I agree with covering the "why," of a particular concoction, and would add the question of "what's the true purpose of the journal? Is it to demonstrate knowledge acquisition? Demonstrate a process followed?"

I would assume that the journal is not an end unto itself.
 
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Hi everyone,

Thanks for your patience, things have been hectic here, with preparation of house, garden and food for a birthday celebration. Amd damn it I want that composting toilet functional too!

Agree with Nicole when she says

I think it was really important to the people who study and do natural medicine that the people who get a badge in it, really know what they're doing. I think quality over quantity is better.



And agree with Nicole again that once a journal page is in place, it's there for any other recipe that calls for that ingredient.

Raven

At the sand level, what do we really need to know?

a. how to identify the plants
b. how to make the concoction
c. what the concoction does



for 'c' I reckon it's as important if not more important to know the attributes of the ingredients going in to a medicine, rather than just knowing 'this heals wounds' or 'is good for coughs' -that's more an allopathic (sp?) approach ie: what are the symptoms? ok then this is the diagnosis and here's the drug. By asking us to find out about the ingredients even at sand level, we begin to learn about the range of attributes they each have, rather than just learning what a recipe 'cures'.

IMHO in the grand scale of PEP things, if my whittled spoon is wonky because my technique is not quite perfect, it's no big deal, I can practice. If I go half-cocked into dosing myself and my family with concoctions, without a deeper understanding of the uses and attributes, (and the contra-indications!) of the constituents, I could end up, at best, dismissing a valuable resource because it didn't 'work' for me, at worst, I could end up with compounded health problems. Knowledge is power, natural medicine is powerful, invest the time, do the research, right from the start to lay good foundations. Why would I use a concoction if I didn't have a basic understanding of each ingredient and what role it plays in the recipe? Maybe I'm weird, but I find this stuff fascinating and it's deepened my respect for the plant world.

That's just my 4 pennyworth, based on over 50 years of interest in herbal medicine, and the past 4 years of focussed self-medication, which has improved my health and empowered me to reject mainstream pHarma-based drugs.

Lesley
 
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I edited the above first post to say, "Pick 5 of the 8 tasks below." So, people only need to make 5 quality medications, rather than 8. This is, of course, subject to Paul's approval.
 
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What if the journal page answered these questions?
What does "Lavendar and Hibiscus Infused Vinegar" do?
Why do we want to make it?
what quantities did we use to make it?
How much do we take at a time and how do we take it?

It would be just one journal page for each concoction.

Later on, in the badges, we can make journal pages about each ingredient.

what do you guys think?
 
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I made some changes to the BB in question

https://permies.com/wiki/110608/PEP-BB-medicine-sand-infusion

I shifted some things to be optional.  

I do think it is good to have an idea of what the herb does.   Just like it is good to have knowledge of tools and woods when carving a wooden spoon.   At the same time, the function of PEP is to show evidence that the thing is done.   And for all of the aspects, there was desire for training and journals and documentation - but in the end we wanted to simply prove to Otis that is has been done.  As we discussed the journal here, I made one exception for all BBs to have a journal for natural medicine - and this is exclusively for the sake of tracking efficacy for a property.  

I think it would be good to keep a journal for all woodworking projects so that the woodworker could track what works and be able to replicate successes.  And why to prefer certain materials or techniques.  But that is optional for the woodworker.   Yet wise.  

So the elements that lead to determining efficacy are required (recipe, dose, results ...).   The elements about what these herbs are good for, history, resources, etc.  are excellent material for a journal, but are not required for PEP certification.

 
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I would like to get some feedback from folks on this direction, and then get the BBs updated.  

We are trying to cobble together "version 0.6 alpha" of the PEP ebook to hand out to the kickstarter peeps in a week or two, so we are trying to get this smoothed out now.
 
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I like the changes.  This seems more achievable but still learning stuff.

I spent a few moments on google trying to figure out why I wanted to make Lavender and Hibiscus Infused Vinegar and how I would use it.  I'm still a bit confused on this.  
 
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Hi,

AFAIK Hibiscus sabdariffa is the variety of Hibiscus used for the Lavender and Hibiscus infusion, ie it is not your common garden Hibiscus plant and it is grown in tropical/subtropical regions, (although it can be grown in colder areas if you can protect it from frost) and providing evidence of harvesting is unachievable for many folks. Most will be buying the dried form.

hi raven: L & H infusion can be used in salad dressings as well as a hair rinse - helps colour grey hair too!
 
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I'm thinking the goal here is to make as much as possible with locally harvested and wildcrafted ingredients.  That way the person can become familiar with their local healing plants.

For sand badge - maybe there is some leeway so that something like firecider can have some non-local ingredients PROVIDED they aren't growable locally.  Like I could buy lemons because local lemons in Canada are difficult to find.  But if you lived in Florida or wherever lemons come from, you would harvest the lemons locally.


Which brings us to another question:  What about farmer's market, locally grown, fresh ingredients?  Would that count towards the sand badge?
 
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