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The Sock-o a Sock-o Darn Tough vs. Smartwool vs. Icebreaker Thread

 
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I got a pair of Darn Tough socks a few years ago, and not being able to try them on in the store, I bought in my shoe size based on their packaging.  When I got them home, they were far too tight, particularly in the calf.  I really don't like anything that is tight around my calf, and the top of the sock was a definite pressure point.  Even the foot was uncomfortably tight.  I ended up giving them to a kid.  I looked at their website and found that they stand by their sizing (I have seen a lot of complaints online about them fitting too tight based on the size), and apparently they do have diabetic "compression socks", but the important thing for circulation is to not have tight points.  Anything that comes mid-calf has to be loose enough to accommodate your muscles and circulation.  If it leaves a dent in your skin, it is too tight.  If I ever buy another pair, I will be more pushy about actually trying them on in the store before spending the money.  Based on their durability in your test, it sounds like the materials are generally worth the expenditure, especially with their replacement guarantee.  I'll try a size up from their recommendation and look for something with more give at the top next time.
 
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The competitors have more or less retired for the season as I've switched to garden clogs and sandals now that my weather is warmer and I wear both without socks. I'll probably start wearing them again in October.
 
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Snow on the ground this morning, and wool socks on my feet. The competition resumes!
 
                        
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looking forward to the results, great work!
Thank you for the information.
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This was a great read. I originally started with Smartwool several years ago but I ended up switching to Icebreaker. Like you, I liked Icebreaker’s anatomical setup (L & R socks), but unlike you, I found my Icebreakers easily outlasted my Smartwools. I’ve recently acquired 2 pair of thick, over-calf Darn Toughs and they seem very nice although it hasn’t been cold enough yet to wear them with my Muck Arctic Ice.

The one point I wanted to mention that you didn’t address in your post (or I missed it) is that Icebreaker does in fact have free lifetime replacement. I’ve done 2 myself though I should note this was in person at an Icebreaker store.

Update: I also recently discovered that SW and IB are owned by the same company — VF Corp
 
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The demise of the first competition's winner has come. They have at last sprung a leak. (I will probably darn the hole soon.)

I'm not doing such a great job keeping track of how many washes the current competitors have had, but they're still being worn and washed here.
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Update on Second Round of Competition: Darn Tough v. Wigwam v. Smartwool

Well, now my Darn Tough socks have wandered off on their own adventure somewhere. Hopefully I'll be able to find them during the spring cleaning that's just getting started here today. This is the second time I've had a pair of socks vanish on me during this long experiment, and I feel I need to explain why this may be so.

Sometimes even in the middle of winter, I take my socks off while I wander around the house.
Sometimes I put them some place odd when I do. I drop them on the 'wrong' side of the couch, or put them on a dinning table chair that's only pulled out from under the table once a month when I get around to dusting everything properly. I stick them in a back pocket, and then maybe one or both fall out during my wanderings, or maybe my dog, who loves playing with socks, decides to help herself and I don't notice until I've done the week's laundry and I'm missing my socks.

Last time this happened to a pair of Darn Toughs, I found them again. I am expecting to find my newest pair again.

However, it is also mid-March and I found my first flowers outside today (dandelions) and it's perhaps just about time to wrap up this experiment for the season anyway.

The Wigwams are my least favourite of the three at the moment. I've found them a bit too warm most days. It has been a very mild winter. I've found these so warm that when it's come to be their 'turn' in the sock rotation I sigh a bit.

The Smartwools are holding up well and have been quite comfortable.

The Darn Toughs are holding up well and have been quite comfortable and if anyone sees them wandering about let me know.
 
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Ghislaine de Lessines wrote:One thought I had reading through this thread again is that it would be interesting to know what factories these socks are made at.  I say this knowing that the Darn Tough socks come from a mill here in Vermont that was contracted to make all kinds of socks for other companies.  Darn Tough was created because they could not compete with overseas manufacturing,  but they knew they could make a better quality sock.  I wonder if either of the competitor socks were actually contracted to be made in the same factory.

Or maybe not.  This article mentions losing all of those contracts to overseas but now have military contracts.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/business/2016/04/21/darn-tough/qYaTdRFEcFSIM35ZQVjUuM/amp.html



THAT's where I know them from...Cabot. Every year TJ Maxx would get these in. I bought heavily. Several models had them without all the strangling tops that leave deep furrows in the calf after removal. The last two years they just stopped getting them in. I put back a fair stack just because getting socks made here, in my size, and without strangler tops is tough. But looking forward, I'll have to resupply somehow. Not finished reading the thread yet. Great stuff so far.
 
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Vera, this is the coolest thing I’ve read in a long time.  Fiber, socks, longitudinal study. 3 items on my (growing) list of obsessions.  Thank you for posting and periodic updates.
 
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Oh wow! This thread warmed the cockles of my geeky research heart. Thank you so much for this! I have all 3 brands and while I have also noticed that my Icebreakers don't last as long as one would think, the Smartwool is pretty great but man, my Darn Toughs are exactly that, DARN TOUGH! Love that you put them all through the test!
 
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Awesome research.

I didn’t wear socks for six years living in the tropics. I was in BC summer of 2019 and went to MEC where they recommended Darn Tough. I bought three pairs. They are my go to socks. I’m also mostly barefoot in the summer. I also go for days without washing them - I thought that was just me! All three pairs are showing very little sign of wear. I wear them with trainers, hiking boots, leather boots, . . . They’re the only socks I need.

Thank you Vera for sharing your discoveries over the past five years.
 
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Got my wool socks out today - thank you for reading this thread and leaving comments which reminded me to get to it!

An update on their relative conditions as I start in to another winter of the second round of the sock competition!

The Wigwams are quite fuzzy and the colour is quite faded, but they are still functioning
The Darn Toughs (which I did find again over the summer) - still look good on top and are not fuzzy at all but have wear points particularly on the balls of the foot - I fear they may wear through soon
The Smartwools are a bit fuzzy but not as fuzzy as the wigwams and otherwise are in good shape

At the moment, it seems the smartwools are ahead!

 
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I've had several pairs of Darn Tough for several years now, and the pairs which are very thick show no wear or tear, while the two pairs which are thinner (very thin, like standard dress socks thin) are getting very threadbare on the back of the heels. I need to mail those back for replacement, and will avoid the thin ones going forward. My feet are larger so I think these thinner socks might not have been large enough and have less stretch, while the thicker socks either are larger or the knit allows more stretch. I see the XX-large sizing on one site is for US15-17 and I wear a 16-17 depending on width.

In the same time I've had these socks, I've gone through 4-5 pairs of normal cotton socks. So as long as the return process is reasonable, these are definitely worth the price difference.
 
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As I feared, the Darn Toughs have worn through.

The Wigwams and the Smartwools shall continue to duke it out against each other.
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We have our winner!

This time, it is the Smartwools which triumph!

And so we have discovered that both Darn Tough and Smartwool socks are pretty good!

Perhaps I will conduct a third round of sock comparison next fall.

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Vera Stewart wrote:We have our winner!

This time, it is the Smartwools which triumph!

And so we have discovered that both Darn Tough and Smartwool socks are pretty good!

Perhaps I will conduct a third round of sock comparison next fall.



I'm pretty much still a die hard Darn Tough guy.   I don't really care if my Darn Tough socks wear out since I can get free ones to replace them forever.  Ok, not completely free, since you have to pay to send the old ones back, but that is still far cheaper than a new pair of socks.
 
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I would absolutely continue to recommend Darn Toughs... but also to recommend that if you can't get Darn Toughs for whatever reason, or if you find them too tight on your legs, Smartwools can do a good job too!
 
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I made sure to order myself some new socks for next fall before I forgot.

Here are the competitors for the third round of Sock vs. Sock

(This is not how the look when they arrive in their packages, it is how they look after I take them out of their packages to try them on and then try to stuff them back into packaging for a photo)

I've decided to switch it up and go with lighter-weight competitors this time - with one exception who is sort of an extra participant but not really a competitor.

Prices in Canadian dollars. I probably could have found better prices for all or at least most of these socks but I was more interested in getting the sock-ordering job done than in price-hunting. And my experience with the socks on this thread tells me that even the socks that cost nearly $30 per pair will probably prove to be worth that price in comfort and longevity.



First we've got Darn Tough's Microcrew Lighweight with cushion - a 54%Nylon, 43% Merino Wool and 3% Lycra mix. (Made in Vermont from American and imported yarns) (lifetime guaranty)  (cost $27) - Size Ladies Medium

Next, from Smartwool's "Everyday" line, a light cushion crew height sock composed of 62% Merino wool, 37% Nylon and 1% Elastane (Designed in Colorado, it says, made in the USA, from imported yarn) (two-year guarantee) (cost $23) - Size Ladies Medium

Third, J.B. Field's all-season hiking sock, this is somewhat heavier than the first two, with 74% Merino wool, 20% Nylon and 6% Lycra (Made in Toronto, Canada - yarns presumably imported because the package does not mention them) (one-year guarantee) (cost: $12) Size Unisex Medium

And last, while I was ordering socks, I saw that these were on at 50% of their usual price (they still cost $27) -
Kombi heavy-cushioning Trek socks - 38% Nylon, 32% merino wool, 28% Alpaca wool 2% elastane (Made in Canada - or are they? Package says made in Canada, website says they have factories in China) (Five-year guarantee) Size Unisex medium

Notes so far:
The unisex socks are not as form fitted as the ladies', and seem a bit larger as well.

The Kombi socks should definitely be warmer then the other three, and is, as advertised, more heavily cushioned. I'm not going to put them in direct competition with the three lighter socks, but I'll be wearing them now and then next fall/winter and might have things to report about them as the year progresses.

The Kombi socks package was the only one to use those annoying little plastic connector-tags you get with socks, the other three packages don't have plastic (unless it's on the cardboard/paper component of the packaging)

The Smartwool packaging includes a fun striped stretchy fabric loop that you might be able to use for something else, perhaps a hair-tie or in place of a rubber band, or you could wear it as a loose bracelet... or use it to keep your socks together.


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I fetched these socks out of storage today and they should start into a rotation within a few days.
 
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Wow! Vera, you have stayed with this a long time.  Thank you!


I’ve been wearing darn tough for several years.  I have other socks in the drawer, all cotton, various stray rag wool socks, even some cross country skiing socks from the days when we wore knee pants and long socks and gaiters.

The reason I bought the darn toughs in the first place was my xcountry socks wore out, and I wanted long socks.   I was delighted that they stay up.  I never had knee sox stay up all day before.

Anyway, I like the darn toughs, but sometimes have to wear an all wool pair over my foot to keep warm in my Muck boots in the snow.  

I think if I could still get all wool sox for ankle and below, and just have the additional nylon and elastic up my calves, that would be the winning combination for me.

I wear the darn toughs year round, (except when wearing town shoes) never even keep track of how often I wash them, definitely less frequently than after two wearings.

Mostly, I am impressed by your consistent follow through.
 
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I find this post quite interesting, but I have to also say that I would never wash wool, or even wool blend, socks in the washing machine. I wear smartwool socks for many, many days at a time before washing, then I wash them out in cold water in the sink and hang them to dry. They have a very long life. When they get holes in the heels, I darn them and keep wearing them. I do wear slippers around the house mostly for warmth, but also to keep the socks from wearing out prematurely.

I also find pairs of smartwool socks very often at the Goodwill bins in like-new condition, so for many years, I have paid maybe a quarter for them. I realize that resource may not be available everywhere, but it's great for me. I do like my smartwools. I like knee socks for cold weather, and the knee socks made for skiing are a bit thicker so are really nice when it's really chilly.
 
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I almost exclusively wear Darn Tough socks, and actually recieved my first warranty pair after 15 years of wear this year.  Close on the heels of the first, a second pair of my socks wore through.  I sent them in for replacement and got notice that they couldn't honor my warranty...because they were SmartWool socks.  🤣🤣🤣
I said almost exclusively,  guess I didn't recognise that a pair of SmartWool remained as they have always worn quickly for me.  
We are Darn Tough for life here.
 
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Vera Stewart wrote:This winter, three pairs of socks will do battle.

Prologue: I've worn out three pairs of Darn Tough socks in the past couple of years (and had two pairs replaced, free of charge from the company, although paying for shipping made replacements not actually free to me. ) I was very happy when I first tried the Darn Toughs, as they are far more comfortable then most socks I'd worn until finding them. It's also more then possible to wear them two or three times before having to wash them without feeling particularly grungy. Which is especially useful for camping trips. However, they are expensive, and I have never been able to find them on sale locally. I have, however, come across some other high-end socks at discounted prices, so I want to try them out and compare and determine for myself which socks are really the best deal.

Disclaimer: If you're in a different location and have different access to sock possibilities then I do, then the cost comparisons will be different for you. Also, if you wear your socks in different situations then I do, and have different feet then I do, and cut your toenails at a different frequency then I do, use a different washing machine then I do, etc., then your sock longevity will be different then mine.

Proclamation: I had to buy these socks, and no sock company has offered to send me money or free sock samples.

I will be testing and comparing these three (women's medium size) pairs of socks over the winter (and likely the next winter as well, as my past Darn Tough socks have lasted about two, two and a half winter seasons, and besides, Smartwool guarantees their socks for two years. Soooo then, these should last at least two years, right?)

Competitor One - Darn Tough's Cushion Boot Sock - 64% Wool, 33% Nylon and 3% Lycra - purchased at full price $31 CDN

Competitor Two - Smartwool's Light Cushion Hike  - 62%Wool 37% Nylon 2% Elastane - purchased on sale for $13 CDN

Competitor Three - Icebreaker's Merino Light Cushion Hike, Left and Right Anatomic Fit,  - 61% Wool, 37% Nylon 2% Elastane - purchased on sale for $12.50 CDN


It's not a typo, both the Smartwool and Icebreaker do indeed state they have the exact same ingredients.

Now, the Darn Tough pair has an unintended advantage, as I should have purchased one of their light cushion pairs, but what I actually have is their medium weight cushion. I haven't quite decided how to measure this yet, but I do expect the Darn Tough's (DT) to last longer because of the extra cushion. At the moment I'm planning to require a 10% longer life from the DT's because of their extra cushion - if they don't last 10% longer, then they don't win the longevity contest.

I can only wear these socks in the winter (for these purposes, September through to April) because in the summer I prefer being barefoot or in sandals.

Test conditions:

I will be wearing each pair of socks 2 days, and then washing all three pairs in the same wash load. (If I don't wear them all before I have a wash load, as I will be alternating them with other socks and stockings, then they'll all wait until they're all ready for the wash.)  All three call for warm water wash, no bleach, the Darn Tough's ask for gentle wash, the Darn Toughs and Icebreakers allow for drying by machine on low, which doesn't matter, because I dry everything on a line anyway. I will be using a front-load washer for the majority of the time, on regular cycle and use Nellie's brand laundry soda. ( I figure that a front-loader's regular cycle is like a top-loader's gentle cycle, so I don't think this will disadvantage the Darn Tough's.)

Every five washes, I will be making note of each pair's condition. (I won't necessarily post here unless something noticeable has changed.)

In the end, I hope to determine which stay comfortable longest, and which, for me, give the greatest comfortable lifespan per dollar.

The competition began on September 1st, and the competitors have just come out of their first wash and dry.

 
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Not sure if this fits with this contest, but I have 4 pair of "Ultimax" socks I purchased around 2005. They have been my go to pairs that entire time. Each pair probably gets around twelve washes a year. Cool enough to wear any time I'm not barefoot or in sandals, slightly warmer than average socks. I'll wear them without shoes occasionally around a house.

Close to two hundred washes each. I think I noticed recently one pair had developed a hole, but it isn't growing beyond pea size. I wash them in warm and machine dry normal. The only special treatment is turning inside out.

I looked up the name brand and it found no reference to it in this form, but it seems wigwam make something by that name as a sub brand. I have a pair of those that are thin boot socks, not very similar.

I have underwear from that vintage that is still going also, while everything I've purchased in the last decade has had the elastic in the waistband give out after a year or two. I wonder if this stuff is from planned obsolescence, if companies are cutting costs with inferior materials, or what...?
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I'm enjoying everyone's sock stories.

So far, my favourite sock is the JB Fields this competition round. While initially they were a bit warm, now that temperatures have settled into fall/winter properly, I'm finding the Fields fit very comfortable.
 
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The JB Fields are starting to look a bit fuzzy. The other three pairs are still looking quite good. I spent about a month just past living in a camper, and I sure did appreciate my wool socks come night fall!
 
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Kena Landry wrote:Wow! Thanks for the extensive research.

I bought a pair of DarnTough socks this spring, figuring out I'd invest in them one pair at a time if I felt the comfort and durability was right.

For me, it's not so much a question of cost (although they do need to earn their keep at that price) but one of making smart use of the earth's resources, and reducing my use if cotton.  So if they wore out in a year, even with free replacements, that would not make me happy.

You've gotten me convinced to get a few more pairs!



Update: durability hasn't been as good as expected. Possibly because I have hobbit feet and I bought the dressier/thinner everyday kind. They mend fairly well though.
 
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It's getting warm here and I think I'm about done wearing my wool socks until autumn. All pairs are still functional.
 
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