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Meka Farm
Hancock, NH
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Audrey Carrel wrote:I’ve been thinking of this when looking at my irascible and persistent hardy kiwis, wondering if I can train them along a cattle panel that we have on one side of a pasture.
Denise Kersting wrote:I wonder if elderberries could be trained as a living fence, or if it would just be a pruning nightmare. They are so easy to sprout from cuttings, I've got a jar of them starting in my kitchen window for planting at my cabin.
paul wheaton wrote:Just to be clear, there are many types of hedges and the type of hedge we wish to create is something that will keep animals in. Something that you grow for two or three years and then do this:
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Just to be clear, there are many types of hedges and the type of hedge we wish to create is something that will keep animals in. Something that you grow for two or three years and then do this:
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Audrey Carrel wrote:I’ve been thinking of this when looking at my irascible and persistent hardy kiwis, wondering if I can train them along a cattle panel that we have on one side of a pasture. Researching to find out if it’s toxic sheep before committing. I’d rather experiment with the kiwi berries than the hazelnuts we’re trying to establish.
Audrey
Hancock, NH
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paul wheaton wrote:Just to be clear, there are many types of hedges and the type of hedge we wish to create is something that will keep animals in. Something that you grow for two or three years and then do this:
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Rebekah Harmon wrote:I don't know if the soil at wheaton labs base camp is rich enough for this kind of fence?? What kind of ammendments will supplement the rock and sand? Only certain species will live in that. Also, I'll bet it would have to be irrigated a lot... boots with the tanker truck!
Beau Davidson wrote:Regarding Gliricidia, it is exclusive to tropical climates, is it not?
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Rifflerun Farm
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Max Urbs wrote:I have built a hedge using aki goumi, a great nitrogen fixer with edible berries. It is a little lean on the lower levels, but works well for keeping out deer. So far they have only had nibbles on the leaves and ignore the berries. As a bonus, it is a beautiful shrub.
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Catherine Carney wrote:Youtube has a bunch of videos about laying hedge. I've linked to one that was created in England during WW2, but there are plenty of others:
Hope it helps.
Kate Medland wrote:
We planted out 45 black locust yesterday. (Ya, we planted them too close, I know , I know, live and learn).
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Jeanne Wallace wrote:
Kate Medland wrote:
We planted out 45 black locust yesterday. (Ya, we planted them too close, I know , I know, live and learn).
They don't look too closely planted to my eye.
Rather, looks like you plan to harvest every other one for fence poles, garden stakes, or fuel for your rocket stove... (others might call this "thinning"). 😄
Richard Marula wrote:Elderberry berries are nutritious. Elderberry leaves and twigs are poisonous with cyanide substance. See https://www.eattheweeds.com/elderberries-red-white-and-blue/ . This article by Green Dean even has a recipe for making insecticide from the leaves. So depending on whether you plan to keep animals in or out of the fenced area, elderberry plants may not be a good choice.
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Peace,
Audrey
Meka Farm
Hancock, NH
Zone 5 a/b
Catherine Carney
Rifflerun Farm
Catherine Carney wrote:William this is a great approach to hedges--I've done much the same with things like hawthorn and mulberries. I've got plans to add black locust, honey locust, and osage orange seeds to add to the line this fall and might drop in some pawpaws and other edible fruit and nuts...
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Jeff Peter wrote:
I will also say that Osage Orange and Mulberry are excellent choices. Just look out if you plant Mulberry! The birds eat the berries and sit on your garden fence pooping seeds into your garden. .
Luke Mitchell wrote:This is the same hedge, albeit a different section (mostly hawthorn whereas the other area was mostly blackthorn, Prunus spinosa), after 5 or 6 months of growth. The stakes are turning grey and the stems have put on a lot of leaf and fresh growth. In another year that'll be a thick, stockproof (for sheep, at least!) barrier.
I've read about Osage orange being used for hedging in the US, as has been mentioned above. The characteristics of a good agricultural hedge species are as follows:
- Thorny or spiny
- interweaving growth habit (some species only grow up!)
- readily suckers or reproduced to gap up any holes without human intervention
- hardy and not too hungry
In the UK hawthorn (Craetagnus and Blackthorn are the two most common choices for a planted hedge. Adding roses is common as it adds more spines and also some colour - using a native rose is usually best for supporting wildlife.
As a hedge ages, volunteer trees and other plants will find their way into the hedge too: honeysuckle, oak, blackberry, hazel, elm, willow, dogwood, Holly, etc. You can actually date a edge by counting the number of species in a 100yd stretch (roughly one per century).
For ornamental hedges, evergreens such as Holly, yew or box were used.
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