updated the two bootcamp pages - PRAISE ME!

Liv and I put a few hours into updating the main bootcamp page here

https://wheaton-labs.com/bootcamp/

This is the moment you can tell us how beautiful and profound our poetry is.  Maybe there are typos?  Any feedback?



And then I decided that the bootcamp discussion thread needed a restart, here

https://permies.com/wiki/bootcamp

It would be great to get some discussion started there.  

Looking really good, Paul!

One minor piece of feedback:
On the https://wheaton-labs.com/bootcamp/ page the “About Us” sections list Dez and Magdalene as Bootcamp Commanders. Should they be replaced with Stephen?

Clay McGowen wrote:Looking really good, Paul!

One minor piece of feedback:
On the https://wheaton-labs.com/bootcamp/ page the “About Us” sections list Dez and Magdalene as Bootcamp Commanders. Should they be replaced with Stephen?

That was and still is on my "to do" list!

I like everything on this page except fonts.

Across the page, they look inconsistent to me. Amatic SC is quite extravagant, does not look well combined with traditional fonts, like Times New Roman.  

I would not write in all caps such a long parts of the text as they are at the beginning, caps are rather for emphasizing main points, as it is done properly later.

A small thing. The color of the copyright text at the bottom of the page blends in with the background color quite a bit. It might be easier to read if there was more contrast.

The top of the bootcamp page looks more professional and the words get to the point.

On the bootcamp page, there's the phrase:

Cooking, foraging, preserving, and eatin'

.....ing, .....ing, .....ing, and ....in'

The break in alliteration feels like I'm making that weird mistake where you get to the end of a flight of stairs and you think there's one more step up (or down) and place your foot wrong. I like the folksy use of the apostrophe to represent that we often swallow the g on words that end in 'ing' but it trips me up this case.

In general with flaws of this nature, my advice is to go big or go home -- make them all "in'" or "ing". But when I try it with all dropped Gs, it sounds bad in the middle. I think it might have to do with the number of syllables in the word.

Anyway, my two cents...

All hail the awesomely mighty Paul.  Howdy to Liv who I like just for her accent and that she keeps the older hens in retirement instead of - well enuff said.

The new page looks great.  Maybe list Dez and Magdalene as "past" commanders and put Stephen's mug on the page.

Peace

Once again tempted, very very tempted, to sell everything and thumb it up to Montana.

I love the hugelkultur picture on the top right with the mountains in the background

Richard Gorny wrote:Across the page, they look inconsistent to me. Amatic SC is quite extravagant, does not look well combined with traditional fonts, like Times New Roman.  

Permies has a long history of using a font similar to Amatic SC, called "Cardenio Modern" (you can see its use on https://permies.com) and in a lot of banner ads. When I originally made the WheatonLabs.com pages, I went looking for something like either Incognitype (like in the Permies logo) or
Cardenio Modern. I don't think I found anything like Incognitype, but Amatic SC was really close to Cardenio Modern. I was trying for a bit of "permies brand" feel to make it feel like permies when it's seen.  (You can see it at https://paulwheaton.com, for the same reason).

It could be that we want to move away from it, especially since it's not as visible on permies any more, and it wasn't in his DVDs or Building a Better World (though the font in SKIP is pretty similar).

Either way, though, it'd probably be a huge pain to change the font on all the Wheaton Lab pages to something else.

What if the Times New Roman was changed to something like Arial that's not serif? That would keep the headers as the "permies font" and still matching across all the Wheaton Lab pages. I'm thinking less people would notice if the Times New Roman changed to Arial than if Amatic is changed to something else.

I would not write in all caps such a long parts of the text as they are at the beginning, caps are rather for emphasizing main points, as it is done properly later.

I agree. I think on the original Bootcamp page and the other Wheaton Lab pages, all the non-header text was Times New Roman. I always made the Animatic bold to make it easier to read. I think the non-bolded Amatic is harder to read than the bold, but that's just me? I'm thinking maybe the Animatic paragraphs happened as a default?

There's an odd gap (at least on my desktop computer's view) at the "Come for just a week..."

I can't tell if there should be a picture in the place and it just didn't load. Or maybe something funky happened with bullets to make them further over?

I think this section used to have a longer wordy/picture bit under the "come for just a week" and under the "..or stay for a while..." which might be why the bullets are in different places. Since this section is smaller, maybe it'd make more sense for the "...or stay for a while..." bit to be right justified.

Also, I think bootcamp has a minimum of two weeks now, instead of one? Or maybe I'm confused or maybe that's changed? If it's a two-week minimum, maybe the "come for just a week" would work nicely as a "come for a couple of weeks"

It looks great!

Even the picture where the "Almighty Paul" is showing a bit of leg for the ladies.  

Thank you to all for the thoughts and suggestions!!

I love those collage graphics! Good job.

Melissa Silverline wrote:Once again tempted, very very tempted, to sell everything and thumb it up to Montana.

Hello Melissa!  

You don't have to sell everything.  You could just visit.

Come out and have the experience for a bit.  Maybe rent a cabin.


A perfect mix of peace, privacy and community.

Here is a link to the Sepper program:
https://permies.com/wiki/sepper