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How to keep cows out without fence ?

 
Enrique Garcia
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Hello friends,

We've got 40 acres in AZ high desert with great soil, great location. But we've got a cow problem. We didn't know laws favored our 4 legged friends over human rights so they are destroying our land. There's no point in building ponds or planting anything as they will destroy it. We can't afford to build a fence around it as that would cost as much as the land did. Does anyone know of any good solutions that could keep cows away ? Any deterrents ?

Thank you all for your time.
 
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"We didn't know laws favored our 4 legged friends over human rights "
Could you explain this . Its your land, why not capture the cows and bill to owners to get them back ?
Or buy a bull and charge them stud fees
Or build something dangerous to Cows like a cross between a haha and a swale .

David
 
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If we could buy a stud we could pay for the fence . law here states it is the responsibility of land owners to keep someone else's cows off your land. The owner of cows has no responsibility whatsoever. Which is crazy I know but most people in the USA are crazy. A friend hit a cow with his car & wanted the cow owner to pay for his car but he ended up having to pay for the cow.

I know there are things you can plant but we don't want to poison the cows or kill them. But is there something that is a deterrent much like radishes deter squash bugs etc ?
 
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McDonalds ?

Seriously I ave never heard of such a plant that could repulse Cows

David
 
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Since you can't afford to build a full fence at once, could you start building a stretch of fence, and add to it every time you can afford it? Eventually you'll be fenced in, which is better than doing nothing.
 
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Trained dog??


e-fence (they are pretty cheap) so the dog never chases them further than your property line.


Conversation with the cow owner What is their response? Even if it's not their legal responsibility, maybe they have morals...


hth,

troy
 
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A quarter mile of barbed wire can be bought for about $60. A single strand around the property might help deter the cows from entering and wouldn't break the bank.
 
Enrique Garcia
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Thanks everybody !! You are all greatly appreciated !! I also asked geoff lawton. He said Solar electric fencing is cheapest .. which it looks like it is ... we got some work to do
 
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So AZ is a fence out state. Solar electric is cheapest initially, but barbed or high tensile wire will last much longer.

There may be laws saying you have to give accesses to water. Look into it and plan accordingly.
 
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"there may be laws saying you have to give accesses to water"
even nuttier So you have no right to the water that falls on your roof plus you cannot prevent cows coming on to your land to take your water ?

Just a thought Cows are creatures of habit Why not concentrate your fencing where it matters dependant on the topology of your land . They cannot climb cliffs well for instance . Hence the use of haha's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha
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Actually there is one idea I missed , you could keep cows too . Your Bull would chase the others away

David
 
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I take it cattle rustling is out of the question
 
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David Livingston wrote:"there may be laws saying you have to give accesses to water"
even nuttier So you have no right to the water that falls on your roof plus you cannot prevent cows coming on to your land to take your water ?

Just a thought Cows are creatures of habit Why not concentrate your fencing where it matters dependant on the topology of your land . They cannot climb cliffs well for instance . Hence the use of haha's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha
David


Open range cattle ranchers were the big money lobby (and most of the state legislators) in the early years of statehood.
 
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Enrique Garcia wrote:law here states it is the responsibility of land owners to keep someone else's cows off your land. The owner of cows has no responsibility whatsoever. Which is crazy I know but most people in the USA are crazy. A friend hit a cow with his car & wanted the cow owner to pay for his car but he ended up having to pay for the cow


Now those are some CRAZY laws!
Here in Australia it is the owners responsibility to manage the animals (pets & livestock) so if it gets out and causes any damage the owner is responsible for any and all costs associated with the escaped animal.
 
Enrique Garcia
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Yes, Mat Smith .. I agree Oz is a much better place to be .. in fact I have been to there ... in 2009 .. to the Gold Coast in fact . .. I loved it there & even looked into relocating .. it's an amazing country ...
 
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Glad you like the place too. My wife and I went to Vegas only a few months ago on our honeymoon

Our meat laws are crazy though - it's something like if you kill the animal on your land it has to stay on your land and cannot leave the property (unless processed by a certified butcher/processing plant).
Even Joel Salatin was stuck for a solution when we posed the situation to him at one of his masterclasses
 
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The ha ha fence is the greatest thing I learnt today. Thanks for pointing it out @David
 
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