john mcginnis wrote:
Victor Skaggs wrote:
Remember that no generation is a unit... among us from the 60's there are radicals and hippies and back-to-the-land people, and there are also alt-right, ultra-conservatives and money-grubbing yuppies. The same is true of every generation, and I'm convinced most of our fate is not in our hands. We're all being severely manipulated. Hang in there... it is possible to do the right thing despite the forces arrayed against us all.
I bought into the 'were manipulated....' line for quite some time till I realized the only person who manipulates me is ME. Every other form of manipulation is in reality a trade. You take the 'free college money' as the asset. The liability is there is strings attached and interest to pay. Someone has already mentioned they spent $16k for a car and has payments. That too is a trade.
Sorry but way too many people buy into the new and shiny and the urge of convenience. They are trading their future for now!
John Suavecito wrote:I would say that a suburban or urban permie life is just a different permie life.
I have had a food forest for almost 20 years and eat food from my standard suburban lot every day.
Jonathan Ward wrote:I think a lot of my generation was sold the, "You have to go to college to do anything good." line. I've been in the workplace 12 years now. I'm a computer programmer but mostly work production support. In my 12 yrs i haven't seen one job that in my opinion required a college degree other than as a formality. Most if not all of the training you need happens on the job. My current manager is less concerned with what you have a degree in as long as you have some experience in the field (but we're not hiring for entry level positions only mid level analysts and whatnot). I think college as it stands right now is a joke. I hope that the next generation as some have mentioned rally against it. I believe college has its place (Law, science, Pharma ect.) but Lib Arts? History? Programming?
Audrey Lewis wrote:
This thread is about millennials who are involved in permaculture. I think we've already established that there are some, but not many. We've established that many millennials were sold the lie that they had to go deeply in debt to get a college degree. So where are they now? I think a huge proportion of them are living their lives, mostly unfulfilled, in suburbia, working at meaningless office jobs that they got with their college degrees. They are driving their SUVs to Costco on the weekend to buy crap for their kids' lunch boxes in bulk. They are standing around with other miserable parents at a Chuck E Cheese birthday party making mindless chatter about whether their kids should take piano lessons or do gymnastics. They're buying the crappy overpriced plastic toys that their kids see advertised on YouTube. They think about wanting to eat healthier and live a more balanced lifestyle, but they don't know how to escape the consumerist hamster wheel they're running on. How do I know this? Because I work with these people, my kids go to school with their kids, and I kind of am one of these people (not 100%, but more than I'd like to admit). To me, these unfulfilled suburban millennials are a huge source of untapped potential. We just need permaculture enthusiasts to infiltrate their inner rings and gently show them another way of thinking and living (i.e. - not by preaching, but by sharing some delicious peaches or tomatoes and starting a conversation).
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