Urban Asheville, NC - Zone 7A - 2,200 Ft elevation
TCel wrote:
Congrats on what sounds like a great installation. Maybe to late... but sometimes you can counter early negativity by sharing in some your abundance. They might find themselves too overwhelmed with delight in your berries to mind the crickets.
secondly - I wonder what sort of cricket problem he's enduring? I've got em all over the wood piles and around the house, but they never hurt anything as far as I can tell. I'm genuinely interested BTW, I don't mean to belittle what problem he may be having.
mrchuck wrote:
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mrchuck wrote:
But today he comes to me with a dam good reason. "Man I don't like what you're doing, because I've lived here 10 years, and I just got a cricket problem and have to call the exterminator. Before you put this plant stuff in I've never had a cricket problem in all my time living here."
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John Polk wrote:
Try to explain to him "Los grillos traen buena suerte" (crickets bring good luck).
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I think the mere existence of crickets is what the guy's problem is. Never had crickets before, now he has a couple
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Chefmom wrote:
I've had a few comments about my front lawn from a man who lives a mile down the road, but runs past everyday. Every year I let certain parts of the front lawn grow tall because of the plants growing there. I want the chicory to bloom and so I don't mow down by the road and yes, everything else grows tall as well. It's my yard. Right now I don't harvest the chicory, but I want it to grow in my yard and so I let it grow and bloom. It's quite pretty, covering the yard in purple.
This man always has to make a crack as he goes by about the height of the grass and when I do mow everything, about 4-5 weeks later there is always a comment like "Yard finally looks good again." or "mower was broken huh?"
I smile and wave. Wish I could just let my dog chase him, a$$.
My husband's brother did the same thing. I had a good, healthy crop of plantain in the back part of the yard, right next to our patio. He was visiting for a family wedding. We were out back having lunch and he could NOT stop talking about how the back part of the yard, by the chicken coop needed mowed. He saw a mess of weeds. I saw a great amount of plantain and yarrow to be harvested. After eating he got up and paced back and forth, looking at the 6-foot by 30-foot (steep hillside) patch and then turned and said, "If your mower is ready to go, I'll take care of it for you." I finally lost my cool and said, "I don't WANT it mowed, I asked my husband to NOT mow it until after I harvest the plantain!!! I also want the yarrow and the plantain to set seed BEFORE we mow."
Geez. Some people just don't get it. And the sad thing, is some people NEVER will.
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mrchuck wrote:
My husband's brother did the same thing. I had a good, healthy crop of plantain in the back part of the yard, right next to our patio. He was visiting for a family wedding. We were out back having lunch and he could NOT stop talking about how the back part of the yard, by the chicken coop needed mowed. He saw a mess of weeds. I saw a great amount of plantain and yarrow to be harvested. After eating he got up and paced back and forth, looking at the 6-foot by 30-foot (steep hillside) patch and then turned and said, "If your mower is ready to go, I'll take care of it for you." I finally lost my cool and said, "I don't WANT it mowed, I asked my husband to NOT mow it until after I harvest the plantain!!! I also want the yarrow and the plantain to set seed BEFORE we mow."
Emphasis mine.mrchuck wrote:
I live in an urban environment in northeast jersey where everyone is anal retentive and all have 4 neat foundation shrubs and lawn for their front yard, anything else is blasphemy and weird. So i chose the blasphemous and weird path, and last year converting the front yard to a food producing jungle, thinking any other neighborly concerns would be surpassed by the fact that my awesome garden is helping them secure a food future. Well, neighbors don't seem to understand really.
My yard is basically something any permie would recognize and go "Wow, everything here I totally get and understand and so awesome". Its a cool looking jungly thing with all kinds of fruit tree, goumis, blueberries, lots of j chokes, comfrey, bee balm, herbs, yarrow, buckwheat, strawberries, cosmos and other stuff.
So I knew my costarican neighbor doesn't like it as he's been saying "Man I dont like what you're doing" at least 3 times now. I've been thinking till now "Well, its our property so, too bad?
But today he comes to me with a dam good reason. "Man I don't like what you're doing, because I've lived here 10 years, and I just got a cricket problem and have to call the exterminator. Before you put this plant stuff in I've never had a cricket problem in all my time living here." I think he's suggesting that nobody have a garden with lushness ever, at all. He might be thinking, "well your crap is weird looking and not neat". But even in the neat ornamental plantings, still, I hear crickets in them.
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TheLight wrote:
I'm rather surprised that no one here has even tried to see things from other points of view, and that no one has used these opportunities to educate others. Perhaps that is just missing from these anecdotes?
I'm citing the following as examples and don't mean any offense. Just offering some constructive feedback that will hopefully allow future issues like this to be resolved before they begin, let alone escalate.
I've had this type of thing happen too. However, I usually explain why it is the way it is before the situation escalates. For example, if he mentioned it, why not say "Oh, that's my permaculture plantain garden/experiment", then segue the conversation into a small education session and avoid the issue. Often times handling things this way will gain a convert.
Emphasis mine.
In this particular example, it seems that you came into an established neighborhood, ignored the existing social dynamic, and installed what you think is a cool example of a permaculture installation without discussing this with anyone else in the area. That, to me, is un-neighborly and a recipe for disaster. I'm a huge fan of individual property rights and the right to do what you please, but it appears that you did this without thinking how others in your area would react.
To put it another way, when doing a permaculture design, you have to take into consideration all of the factors and energies of your landscape, both tangible and intangible. I would suggest that that includes your neighbors and how they will react to what you design. At least to some extent.
They probably don't know what permaculture is. They probably look at your garden and think it's just a mess. In order for them to think any different, you need to take the extra steps and try to educate them. Have a neighborhood BBQ, invite folks over, and share the bounty that you have. Show them what can be done with such little space instead of just having it and confusing them .
Remember that the people each have very different life experience and, hence, perceive things differently. How you handle others and the consideration you show them will largely affect how they perceive and react to you. You reap what you sow.
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Pam wrote:
My own opinion is that if you are trying to spread light it's best not to hit people over the head with a lamppost as you are putting it up.
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Chefmom wrote:I smile and wave. Wish I could just let my dog chase him, a$$.
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Pam wrote:
dunno but when you say that your motive partly was "to do something radical" and "fight the man" it is surely no surprise that "the man" feels attacked and fights back?
My own opinion is that if you are trying to spread light it's best not to hit people over the head with a lamppost as you are putting it up, esp if you are going to be indignant when they object, and even more esp if they didn't see the need for a lamppost in the first place.
People these days are concerned about property values and it's a common thing to feel that yards should "look like someone cares" and to most people that means a typical suburban yard of mowed grass and organized flower beds and ..MAYBE..a tidy well weeded vegetable patch out back, discretely hidden by shrubbery or a fence.
In some cities I have lived in you would have been given a summons and told to get it tidied up and maybe even fined, esp if you didnt take it out right away. One city I lived in someone was forced to take potato plants out that they had neatly lining the front walk. So your neighbors may actually have been showing a good deal of restraint in how they dealt with you. If you are going to turn the neighborhood upside down it's often a good idea to try to get at least some of the neighbors onside beforehand, even if they are only to the point of resignation to your "crazy" ideas/experiments.
Brenda's ideas as well as those of thelight sound great..you could also fit in some concessions to the neighbors such as a sprinkling of someone's favorite flowers here and there or some herb that someone uses which might not readilly available fresh. If you have stuff in there that people are not familiar with, then cooking some of it up and having a street party featuring your garden produce or even having your own barbecue when it's likely your neighbors will be around and offering them taste tests of what you are eating might help them understand a little of what you are up to. Sharing in the harvest is usually something that diffuses tensions..as long as you are sharing something that they know and use. No point in giving the neighbor 5 pounds of Jerusalem artichoke if they have no clue what it is or how to use it and likely won;t feel it worth while to mess with it in case they don't even like it; or a couple of heads of cabbage when they loathe cabbage.
If you think about how you learn..I bet it wasn't by teachers or someone taking what you valued and believed, shoving something totally contrary in your face and demanding you like it /approve. If you put yourself in the other guy's shoes for a bit, possibly some other approaches might occur to you about how to handle what you want to do without necessarilly totally antagonizing the neighbors.
Respectful communication is a wonderful thing, and need not mean you can't do what you want.
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