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Here's an idea (I've used some stuff from Beau and Paul also ):


Hi, I'm Paul Wheaton and this is my 13th Kickstarter. I want to tell you about an event I've been running for a few years now - it's called the Permaculture Technology Jamboree or PTJ for short. It's pretty much a festival of permaculture learning, over several days, with a bunch of expert instructors where you can learn about how to DIY a whole host of things. Last year we covered everything from natural building, rocket kilns for ceramics, heating, fermentation, mycelium insulation, animal husbandry, solar, hugelkultur and more!

If you want to learn more about these subjects, the PTJ footage is a valuable resource that we're keen to share.  If you already know a bit about these things, the PTJ also includes new experiments and innovations, so there is something for everyone. And, if we get enough backers we could hire more instructors for this year and build MORE stuff and make MORE movies and that would be COOL.

We have all the footage, and it looks magnificent.  The only remaining question for this kickstarter is - do people want this information enough to pay for the editing and distribution?



 
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@ Paul

I always found the funding approach amusing. Probably funny even as recently as last year....not this year....not even a little. I read somewhere in the last couple of weeks, that household incomes have fallen in real terms by $7600 in the past 12 months. No idea how to even verify that number, but sounds plausible. That's a rough measure of disposable income and also we are at the start of the inevitable housing crash, which will ramp up in 2023. I bought my property 4 years after the 2008 housing bubble crash, and remember how much people had to cut back spending then and I greatly benefitted in purchase price from the falling economic situation. I only really got acquainted with Permies at PV1, which was a couple years further on. I wonder how the fund raising went during the 2008 crash.

It has been particularly noticeable over the past 3 years, that content creators are increasingly selling their content via subscriptions or donations, and I feel there are now a lot more with their hand out. So there is increasing competition for decreasing discretionary budget items.  So many more palms asking to be crossed with silver than was the case in the past.

Idaho had the second highest population growth amongst states, from 2019 to 2020 with 2.5% and the highest population growth in 2022 of 2.9%. CDA and the State 95 corridor have changed beyond recognition in the last 5 years. There has been a huge influx of people from California and other states from metropolitan areas, where they were able to bring their jobs with them online. But many layoffs have been already been announced and tech jobs hit particularly hard. It has been a trend for folks to move to North Idaho from southern states and only able to tolerate the winter for one or two years - but with job losses and higher interest rates, some may not be able to escape from the North this time.

Helping people adapt to enable more comfortable winters might be one sales pitch. Growing/using their own food, fuel and fiber  - canning and drying techniques, etc - could be a good sales pitch.  Some of those topics can be emphasised from the material collected for this video.

Another thing to think about is the candy on offer. There is so much Permies has to offer. Would it be possible, without costing a lot of video editing time, to put together a medley of video clips from a range of existing materials - like one long trailer - that could introduce some of the educational and 'how to' materials that are available in the Permies library. I don't know how much time such a project would take, and it could showcase existing materials with more than just a teaser, to appeal to folks, struggling or who fear they would struggle in future, to stay warm and keep their kids fed and watered and continue to live as comfortable life as possible.

I'll shut up now - made my point - and will support whatever comes along from this kickstarter.

 
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Mary,

I think I am still offering heaps and heaps of free stuff every day.  At the same time, I am still, as ever, utterly obsessed with helping billions of people find permaculture.  To grow and expand requires coin.  While 99% pursue grants and non-profit stuff, I choose to pursue this path.  The good news is that while having more coin pass through, the quality of content goes way up.  At the moment I am exploring the path that with more movies, I can make more excerpts which I can provide for free on youtube.  Further, we start with a whole bunch of people that now have a workee-job that is all permaculture all-the-time.  

As for economics:  when things are good, people buy in because of the novelty.  when things are tough, people buy in because this stuff will save a hundred times more coin than it costs.



The core of it all:  billions of people; more free stuff and more coin leads to more infected brains through more paths.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:Taking a quick look, here are my rough ideas for rewards so far:

$1 thanks

$10 the final movie as HD streaming

$20 the final movie tiny download

$40 the final movie HD download

$65 all of the above plus plans from Andres

$80 all of the above plus extended interviews PLUS a few live interactive webinars with the instructors

$100 all of the above plus your name in the movie!



I am visiting with andres about the whole plans thing.  Currently, the discussion goes a bit like this:

$1 thanks

      rocket hot tub plans
      log picnic table plans
      log picnic table plans v2.0

$65 plans (all of above plus)

      shaving horse plans
      spinning wheel made from bicycle parts
      mycelium insulated door
      log beehive

$80 all of the above plus

     rocket kiln plans
     hugelkultur plans
     spring terrace / humus well plans
     extended interviews
     live interactive webinars with some of the instructors


Lots more to talk about, but I'm feeling like this will be a substantial kickstarter.  I guess if this is sounding good, you can click on the thumbs up for this post.

 
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Here is a draft primary image and title – appreciate it's basic, it's more of a springboard to greater things  



 
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A few ideas for titles:

Permaculture educational event: simple living skills & tech with experts

Permaculture survival festival: a feature-length movie of tech, skills and innovation

Permaculture Technology Jamboree movie - learn and discover off grid skills and innovation
 
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click on the thumbs up for this post if you like this for the title


   low tech laboratory movie!





 
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How do we feel about 'green tech'?
 
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The film is specifically about the Permaculture Technology Jamboree event, calling it anything other than The Permaculture Technology Jamboree Movie doesn't make sense to me. (Plus I've already edited the title in, with an audio cue that syncs to it appearing and everything)
 
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I would definitely be interested and willing to support as much as I could afford.
As well as wanting to learn more about permaculture.
 
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Some more!

The Permaculture Technology Jamboree Movie: Low tech experiments, learning and innovation
The Permaculture Technology Jamboree Movie: Expert talks and low tech learning
The Permaculture Technology Jamboree Movie: It's (low) tech Jim, but not as you know it
The Permaculture Technology Jamboree Movie: Innovators, experimenters and enthusiasts
 
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Who needs chat GPT when you have Jules??!
 
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Mr. Otten has an idea for the kickstarter video.  I say stuff at the beginning and the end and he fills out the middle with lots and lots of people and projects and stuff.  


Andres and I just sat down and hammered out this for the opening and ending:

I'm Paul Wheaton and this is my 13th Kickstarter.

Because I'm goofy about this stuff, I've hosted a Permaculture Technology Jamboree for several years now. Usually about a dozen instructors leading a bunch of builds showing off their expertise!  

One fella felt YOU needed to see this stuff, so he took a bunch of video with the idea that we might make a movie!



Now for the big kickstarter question: is there enough interest to pay for the editing?

 
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paul wheaton wrote:

Because I'm goofy about this stuff,


Maybe for this phrase specify the stuff you are goofy about? Maybe something like

Because Im keen on building a better world…

?

 
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Andrés Bernal wrote:Because Im keen on building a better world…?



Howzabout "because I'm keen on low tech stuff"?

 
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paul wheaton wrote:Howzabout "because I'm keen on low tech stuff"



I like it! & its even more specific.
 
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Howzabout "because I'm keen on low tech stuff"?



On this - i've seen both 'low tech' and 'lo-tech' - i think low tech is a better bet, looking at google trends, but lo-tech might be up and coming.
 
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I'm Paul Wheaton and this is my 13th Kickstarter.

Because I'm keen on low tech stuff, I've hosted a Permaculture Technology Jamboree for several years now. Usually about a dozen instructors leading a bunch of builds showing off their expertise!  

One fella felt YOU needed to see this stuff, so he took a bunch of video with the idea that we might make a movie!





Now for the big kickstarter question: is there enough interest to pay for the editing?

 
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paul wheaton wrote:

I'm Paul Wheaton and this is my 13th Kickstarter.

Because I'm keen on low tech stuff, I've hosted a Permaculture Technology Jamboree for several years now. Usually about a dozen instructors leading a bunch of builds showing off their expertise!  

One fella felt YOU needed to see this stuff, so he took a bunch of video with the idea that we might make a movie!





Now for the big kickstarter question: is there enough interest to pay for the editing?



Does the video of people and projects and stuff look like the current trailer, kind of?

https://youtu.be/gm_uHUiiqbw
 
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I'm kinda thinking that Michael and Andres will come up with something between the voiceover stuff and the quickie trailer thing.
 
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Oh boy!!! Yes! This is a wonderful movie idea! Especially during these crazy times on our planet.

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I think it's got a really cool synergy to it that we're working on a PTJ movie while planning the next PTJ event.   I can feel a sort of centrifugal force about it that I hope will inspire a great cascading of energy.
 
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is this the complete project list?  What am i leaving out?

the rocket kiln that changed the ceramics world
mycelium insulation
an all-wood proenneke hinge
log picnic table
spinning wheel made from bicycle parts
hugelkultur building
simple solar pump
spring terrace - making a spring on dry land
many styles of food preservation
take home a rocket heater core
log beehive
a beautiful shaving horse
using animals to seal a pond
sheep shearing and wool processing
robust apothecary
rocket hot tub

 
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Missing?

Solar dehydrator (unless that's included under food preservation).
 
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This is a bit of a merge between andres and michael.  Andres says there is a lot of animation fine tuning to go into the beginning and the end, but the rest is ready.  

What do you think?

 
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Mary Combs wrote:Missing?

Solar dehydrator (unless that's included under food preservation).



You get to see the new one being used, but the build was completed in https://freeheat.info

 
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Looking good!  One thought...  Might there be more of these coming in the future?  And if so could this movie be set up to facilitate that?  Hints about movies to come, 1.0 in the title, etc
 
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my question is, will more people go for it if it is less expensive.

i ask this because for americans $80 is $80. for a cheesehead like me it's closer to $108, give or take. so those who have a less competitive $, not just canadians, might find it outside their budget to get the benefit of what the whole, or even most of, the enchilada provides. the lesser fee for less stuff is good for those who (only want/can afford that) and it is a good thing to have those options. but wouldn't a lesser price, even for those type of folks(with less available coin) bring in more people, which i believe is the goal. i believe the number you are shooting for is 1,000,000,000.

i also get that earning a decent $ for the work put into it is appropriate and so i am not advocating for indecently low pricing nor am i denigrating the value of how much work is required.

as i am new to this kickstarter thing maybe you have considered what i have proposed and these are the limits that you have come up with as the ones that work best. i have found it is best to ask rather than keep wondering. otherwise you never know the answer, eh?

i would like to add that i did support the garden master kickstarter and am glad i did, which is i think why it would be great if more folks could participate. ie not hindered as much by cash flow

another reason i brought this up is because there are so many great things to buy on permies, at reasonable prices, it's like being a kid in a candy shop. i would venture to say, it could bankrupt us lower income types if we were to buy all the things we would really like to get.

so, making kickstarters a little less expensive could possibly get more people involved and lead them on to other things in the permies repertoire of the permaculture candy store and permaculture in general.

cheers   james
 
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Nice video!  that is awesome!
 
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Would you consider adding a bicycle-powered blender build to the video?
 
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james cox wrote:my question is, will more people go for it if it is less expensive.



Which is why, for past kickstarters, we made a LOT of stuff available at the $1 level.  Compounded to be even more stuff when you add in the earlybird goodies.  

And, for this kickstarter, the grand product will be available for $10.

 
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Oscar Daniels wrote:Would you consider adding a bicycle-powered blender build to the video?



I would, if we had video of it.  But we did not build a bicycle powered blender at the event.
 
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This sounds great!

One thing I would like to see in a future event would be bicycle powered stuff. Especially a washing machine run by pedal power. :D
 
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Here is where you influence what the projects are for this year:

https://permies.com/t/206625/permaculture-projects/Planning-Permaculture-Technology-Jamboree-poor

Of greater influence are the instructors and the attendees.  Tickets are still freaky cheap:

https://wheaton-labs.com/permaculture-tech/
 
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I like the documentary feel of the video.  

Might you consider a rewards tier that offers "'ware updates", a kind of serial video feed?  

So, for instance, when tech is introduced or improved upon this summer, those who opted in for the higher reward tier will get access to raw footage of one or two or however many tracks from the 2023 jamboree.

If not too complicated or too expensive, you could maybe offer something similar for other recorded (annual) event Kickstarters.
 
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Kickstarter sends me a couple of emails per week with  6 or 8 teasers to entice me to open and look at current projects. I usually skim the offerings but only open the odd one that really appeals.

I'm not 100% sure I would open a teaser with a strap line of "Low Tech Movie". It might not immediately come across as being a movie ABOUT low tech ways of living. Is there a strap line available to better convey the idea of the content?

Once opened, I think the trailer is great and should attract lots of attention and participation.

If a product is priced too low, people tend to undervalue it. I would recommend bumping up the price.

If I got so far into a Kickstarter to see that I'd have to use Paypal and that I'd have to raise an account on Paypal, and it wasn't Permies, I'd just close the teaser and move on. Only for Permies would I persist to get across the finish line in spite of the Paypal ask.

I like the idea of a higher tier payment getting a bonus update of raw footage from this year's event. A subscription kind of arrangement.
 
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Which is why, for past kickstarters, we made a LOT of stuff available at the $1 level.  Compounded to be even more stuff when you add in the earlybird goodies.  

And, for this kickstarter, the grand product will be available for $10.



if i understand your answer correctly, the $1 level or slightly above does allow as many as want to support world domination to be involved and therefore get the volume of investors i asked about. in addition, those who fund the kickstarter at higher levels get more stuff and help subsidize the cost so it can be sold at a low price point to those who donated to the kickstarter at the lower level because they couldn't help at the higher price points? on top of that folks who come along later can get it at reasonable cost?

i don't think i got it all but, maybe starting to grasp the concept?
 
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I think our kickstarters are very generous.  Especially at the $1 level.

And for people where even $1 seems like a lot, when the kickstarter is done, we do tend to offer several bits for free.

At the same time, every kickstarter exists because of dozens of people throwing their shoulder in for free, plus dozens more that are willing to throw their shoulder in for a bit of coin.  So volunteers plus people earning money for loving permaculture stuff.

Any funds left over goes to future projects.

Overall:  it is a klunky system and we make the best of it.  And when one of kickstarters does well, it is very exciting!
 
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Hannah Land wrote:I like the documentary feel of the video.  

Might you consider a rewards tier that offers "'ware updates", a kind of serial video feed?  

So, for instance, when tech is introduced or improved upon this summer, those who opted in for the higher reward tier will get access to raw footage of one or two or however many tracks from the 2023 jamboree.

If not too complicated or too expensive, you could maybe offer something similar for other recorded (annual) event Kickstarters.



I am currently thinking about the idea of making a new low tech laboratory movie every year.  Especially if this project does well.
 
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