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This program is for:
  • folks that wish to build hands on knowledge and experience
  • folks that have experience with other rural programs and like this style better
  • folks that long for community living
  • folks that are done with the rat race and wish to live here forever
  • folks that have a dream of homesteading someday, but they would like to get a feel of whether it is really for them.
  • folks that have a powerful need to hang out and do permaculture/homesteading stuff with like minded folks for a while.
  • folks that are bonkers about permaculture and want to build good things rather than be angry at bad guys.
  • folks that know about what all we are trying to do here, and wish to throw their shoulder in to see it happen.

March, 2019:  there are currently two open spots in the bootcamp!




Experiences include:

      - growing food, organic and better

               * using techniques that replace irrigation with permaculture

                     - hugelkultur
                     - mulching
                     - polyculture
                     - lots of taprooted species started from seed (instead of transplanting)
                     - building rich soil
                     - raising humidity for more morning dew
                     - terraces, berms, TEFA
                     - paddock shift systems
                     - diversity and edge
                     - strategic shade
                     - food forests and perennial systems

      - natural building

               * roundwood timber framing
               * wofati
               * cob, straw bale, slip straw
               * junkpole fence
               * willow feeder
               * natural plasters
               * earthen floors
               * green woodworking
               * conventional carpentry

      - alternative energy

               * rocket mass heaters (we currently have 12 operating rocket mass heaters)
               * solar - PV, experience using 12v vs. inverter systems
               * solar - food dehydrator
               * haybox cooker
               * rocket stoves, rocket cooktops, rocket griddles, rocket ovens, rocket kiln and slow cooker

      - food preservation

               * solar drying
               * fermenting
               * canning

      - earthworks, ponds, water management

      - more.  much, much more.


permaculture interns internship wwoof

Five days a week would be:

    7:00am - Everybody starts making breakfast.
    7:50am - Everybody has eaten and cleaned up.
    8:00am - On the job
    Noon - Everybody makes lunch.
    12:50pm - Everybody has eaten and cleaned up.
    1:00pm - On the job
    5:00pm - Everybody starts making dinner.
    7:00pm - Everybody has eaten and cleaned up.

That's 40 hours per week working on projects.  Most of this work is something interesting to people interested in Permaculture.  Some of this work is simply chores that need to be done.

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Come for a few days or a week

This is just for dipping your toes in and getting a feel for it. You might love it, or you might hate it. If you’re not sure whether a longer commitment is for you, this is the best place to start. Experience natural building, gardening, wildcrafting, green woodworking, rocket mass heaters, hugelkultur, earthworks and more. See how you feel about the seriously hard work involved.


Come for weeks, months or years

Build your skills to the point that you can build your own shelter and create your own permaculture paradise.   After a month, we will set you up with your own "ant village" acre to play with.  After four months, you can leave the bootcamp and have rent covered through the end of December 2020.  After two years in the bootcamp, we will give you "deep roots" - a lifetime of rent on an acre.  


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a little jingle in your pocket

After a few weeks (once fred thinks you can do stuff on your own), we can arrange some bounties for coin.   Maybe something that would bring in about $100 to $200 per month.  This would be above and beyond the regular bootcamp hours.  


Some things to keep in mind

Food staples will be provided, although it is hoped that boots will eventually provide food for themselves and future boots by setting up garden systems.

Either party can end this relationship at any time.

The 40 hours per week is called "project labor".   All boots are expected to chip in to the cooking for the boots and cleaning up after the boots.  Plus four to eight hours per week of "nest labor" that would include shoveling snow, deep cleaning, maintenance, garden harvesting ...  things of short term benefit to the boots.  (planting a garden to feed people months into the future falls into "project labor", harvesting from a garden to feed yourself and other boots in the next few days falls into "nest labor")

Limit of six boots at any time.


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An interview with people that had been in the bootcamp program, about the bootcamp program



audio only.  


Bits and bobs that might be of interest to new boots:

A summary of all things Wheaton Labs
ant village
deep roots
the Wheaton Labs forum
177 hours of video of the 2017 PDC and ATC
The 2018 Homesteaders Permaculture Design Course
The 2018 Peasant PDC
The 2018 Appropriate Technology Course


wwoof intern


How to become a Boot


To get in, you must pay the non-refundable fee of $100.   (reminder, this is a drug and tobacco free campus)

This paypal thing takes plastic and a bunch of other stuff:


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Once we receive payment, we will contact you to start sorting out the particulars.

First come, first served. Once the permaculture bootcamp program is full, we will start a waiting list.  In other words, if you send money when the bootcamp is full, we will continue to fondle your money until there is an opening for you.  We will try to keep this thread updated on whether there are currently openings.



FAQ



7:00 in the morning is a little too early.  Can we start a little later?

Yes, you can start at 7:50am, but you won't get any breakfast.



I'm just really not a morning person.   I would prefer that we start at a time more like 10 or 11.  Surely we can do that and it can all be worked out. ??

I think you would like ant village better.   You rent a plot and live your life according to whatever schedule you prefer.  

Or maybe you would like our Sepper program - rent a structure here and join in on bootcamp activities whenever you feel like it.  

I guess the bootcamp is for people that are cool with being a morning person or are feeling like they would like to have more structure in their lives.  A lot of homesteaders and farmers work 12 to 16 hours a day starting at 5am.  And they work seven days a week.   So this is already a lot easier than that.



I enjoy weed once in a while, how can I enjoy my weed and still be respectful to your weed-free campus thing?

I suspect a few people have done that.   They go on road trips to washington state for a weekend.  That way they aren't bringing any here.


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Can I bring my kids?

We have had people with kids here and it has worked great.  And we have had people with kids here and it was a mess.  So I guess it thoroughly depends on you and your kids.

The first element to figure out:  With one person, there is 1 unit of work and 1 unit of resources consumed.   With a couple with three kids, there is one unit of work and 5 units of resources consumed.   We did have a lovely family of five here last year, and it worked great.  The deal they worked out was that they would provide all of the food for all five people.  The parents took really good care of the kids and the kids were super respectful.   It worked great.  

And we have had people that thought my house was "unsupervised child storage" and the children would destroy my house and the parents would say "yeah, kids do that - you should child proof your house."


(Brooks was great - here he is acting as a biological sawdust control unit)


Can I bring my dog?

If your dog is nice, then it's all good.   Full details on what "nice" means here.

We have so many people coming through with dogs, and so many different ideas of what "nice" means, I really want to solve it all with the dog village idea.  Just a paddock that's about 40x40 that has a dog house and other dog goodies.  Then, by default, dogs can hang out there. But we still gotta build it.  Maybe somebody with a dog would come here and build it on weekends or something.


Can I pay the $100 now and hold a spot for the future?

Sort of.  If you are ready to come out and there are openings, then yes - that all worked out great.   But if you say "I'm ready to come out next week" and we are full, then we will say "we will let you know when a spot opens up."



If I come out and decide I don't like it, can I leave?

Yup.  No problem.  And if we don't like you, we can ask you to leave too.  





Can I get a ride from the airport (or bus station)?

Yup.  At this time, a one way ride during normal hours (8am to 9pm) is $15 and during crazy hours is $35.

And if you are giving somebody a ride, wheaton labs subsidizes the rides for $20 each way.   So if you give somebody a ride, you end up with $35 for normal hours and $55 during weird hours.


When i am there, can I use a vehicle sometimes?

Yes.  Sorta.  Sometimes recycling needs to go to town or other errands in town need to be done.   If you have a valid drivers license and won't crash my stuff, then the trade is that you run the errands and you get free use of a rig.  Just fill it up in town.    And if there are no errands to be run - stuff can often times be figured out (some other sort of exchange, or somebody else with a rig can give you a ride, etc.)   In the end, it seems that we haven't had a shortage in this department in the past.


If I'm there working as a boot, can I hang out for the workshops?

Sorta.   Usually, you'll be working during the workshops.   (Unless you did a bootcamp trade for a workshop - in which case you are a student and not a boot during the workshop)  As you work during the workshop, a lot of the work that needs to be done involves the workshop.   So you kinda get to be hip deep in the event as it happens.  



I heard that you are a monstrous douchebag asshole, so why on earth would I want to subject myself to that?

First, I need to point out my writings on "Wheaton's Law of Reflective Douchebaggery." (and something similar: "Don't be a Dick; Be a Dick")  Which is a euphamistic way of saying "I am glad to be labeled as awful by such awful people."  I seem to have caught the attention of a few million people.     Many people contact me and tell me how I have to live my life.   I say "no thank you."  They then proceed to tell me "obey or else"  and it turns out that "or else" is that they will call me names.    

So now you have a cheap and sleazy squabble.  My word against the word of thousands of others.  Fortunately, for every person that thinks I'm awful, there appears to a dozen that think I'm awesome.  So you might want to do your research before coming out here.  

The number of people telling me how to live my life "or else" is so massive, that I created this thread several years ago.  Another. Here's "Paul Wheaton is Impossible to Work With."  If you want, I bet I can find a dozen more threads like those.

The important thing is that every wicked thing said about me is utterly true - from a certain set of standards.  And these expressions make it clear that my standards are different from those standards.  Hence the ... uh ...  frustration?  

So I do as much as I can to share my values.   That way, dumbfucks people with values different from mine, will choose to not come here.  And the people with values similar to mine think I am fucking awesome and they very much like the idea of coming here.  

I think the best way to get an idea of what I'm like is with my podcasts.   But a lot of people have told me that this video of me giving a keynote presentation is pretty helpful:



If the people that are telling you that I'm a douchebag appear to have lovely values, then definitely don't come here.   If their values seem questionable, then I suggest you do your research about me before coming out.  


Do you live under a ten foot thick block of ice through the winter?

This last winter, the ground was bare quite a lot.  Snow would fall and then melt off.  I'm not sure if we even had one day where the temperature got below zero. More details here.



Can you tell me more about the food?

We provide staples like oats, flour, beans and rice, peanut butter, bread, eggs, coconut oil, fruits and vegetables ...  all organic or better.  So vegans are well covered.  Vegetarians are probably pretty happy.  Folks keen on meat will either need to bring their own or read the section "a little jingle in your pocket".  No problems with cooking meat here, but we generally aren't providing it for the boots.  Although we do get a lot of awesome company coming through and they will often bring meaty-bits.   More on food in the bootcamp here.


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I am looking at the "boot to ant" program.  After four months do I have to keep working in the bootcamp program?

Nope.  In fact, I suspect that you will then spend all of your time working on your own plot.  Maybe you will want to continue with the bootcamp program in winter to cover your rent for a future year.  Or maybe, some day, get deep roots.



Are there animal systems there now?

We have had residents with their own animals in the past.  Cattle, goats, pigs, chickens, ducks, etc.   I choose to not raise animals myself until the animals can get 90% of their food from what we grow and we have a paddock shift system in place.   Otherwise, the deer and wild turkey obliterate all that we try to grow.  

As I write this, there are bees at the bee hut and there are some paddocks created and some under construction.  This could be the year when have permanent animal systems started for all the boots that are passing through.



Can I call you and talk to you for a few hours about my mom's cat, Miss Stephanie?

No.



How about if I call you and talk to you about being a boot and I don't mention the cat?

We used to do this sort of thing and we still ended up hearing about way too many cats.  "And as long as I got you on the phone ..."   So what we do now is:

A:  ask you to please post your questions to this thread.

B:  once you have paid the bootcamp fee, then we know you are serious.  If you really need to have a phone chat, you will be able to talk to Fred.

C:  once in a long, long while, a person needs to ask a question via email instead of a forum for a very good reason.   In that case, I ask that you can contact fred.



Is this a permaculture internship program?

A permaculture internship would require an affiliation with a university.  Probably with the university ag school.  And nearly every ag school is on the leash of a chem-ag company.  And we don't want any part of that.  So we are proud so say that this is definitely NOT an internship.   Outside of that, I suppose there might be some similarities between this program and an internship program.  



Is this a permaculture apprentice program?

An apprentice program is going to guide somebody toward a trade where they will eventually make a greater income because of years of experience.  While it might be possible that some boots would think of it that way and, therefore, think of this as something that smells like "a permaculture apprentice program", the end goal is more like what is described in the article are there millions of permaculture millionaires where the hero, Gert, has a small home with a large garden and fully realized the permaculture dream.  Not of working 40 hours a week in a trade, but in having a fully symbiotic relationship with nature.  That said, within the natural building world, there are apprentices and the bootcamp does include a huge amount of natural building.  But our mission is to guide people to building their own stuff, rather than turning it into a job.  



How does this compare to the WWOOF program?

Nearly all WWOOF stuff is seasonal.  During the warm months.  So when the fall rolls around, it is time to move on.  While people can be part of the bootcamp seasonally, we hope it will eventually fill up with people that are seeking a very long term experience - ending with an acre of land here and living here for decades.  

Most WWOOF sites are not as intent as we are with natural building.

Most WWOOF sites are not as intent as we are about permaculture gardening techniques like hugelkultur and polyculture.  

A lot of WWOOF programs are about pulling weeds.  We have a lot more natural building and developing a relationship with "weeds".

So I guess the bootcamp program would appeal to folks looking at wwoofing.  I like to think that what we are offering is far better than any of the wwoof offerings in many ways.  Richer experiences, the potential to stay very long term.   Some boots get a full ride to PDCs and other workshops.  Some boots get an acre of their own to play with.  


can i hold a spot in the bootcamp?

Sort of.  The bootcamp is first come, first serve.  And there is a waiting list that has people that are wanting to come later (or right away).  But once the bootcamp is full of people that are actually here, then it is full.   You must wait until there is an opening, and we don't know when that will be.  When there is an opening, we will email the folks on the waiting list.  After 48 hours, we will select one person that replied.   The criteria for selection will be mostly "who has been on the list the longest" followed closely by "who responded first" and "who can be here the quickest."


Can I go home for the holidays and keep my spot?

Yes, for a week or two.  All worked out with Fred.   But if you don't come back when you say you will ...   a lot of people have said they would be back in a week and never came back, so there is a gray area of "it depends".



Why don't you just pay people to do this work?

We have run the math a few dozen times.  Every time we see that it would be cheaper for us to simply pay a pro to do this stuff.  But our greater missions include:

    - infect more brains with permaculture stuff

    - build community

And the biggest mission of this property:   grow the future leaders of permaculture.   To do that, we need to find people that have not yet bonded to a piece of land, teach them permaculture, hope that they stick around for decades, eventually teach and expand what permaculture means.  It all starts with people that are interested in building permaculture experiences.




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For more info, including links to videos and more pictures, see the summary of all things wheaton labs.

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Can two boots cash in on one 'roots' after 18 combined months? If they do, can they continue for another combined 18 months for an adjacent plot?
 
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Kyrt Ryder wrote:Can two boots cash in on one 'roots' after 18 combined months? If they do, can they continue for another combined 18 months for an adjacent plot?



Both of these ideas sound fine to me right now.  

I am curious how this program will go.  Will we say that this is just for the first six?  Will we continue the program but change the terms?  Will there be a waiting list?  What then?  

So, for now, my official answer is something like "I think so.  Probably."
 
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Click on the thumbs up for this post if you think you might want to be a boot - whether you go for 18 months or not.
 
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Click on the thumbs up for this post if you think you might want to be a boot and go all the way to getting roots.
 
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Very interested in this opportunity. For me, it's a matter of timing; I've got some things in the works that would prevent me from spending 18 months, virtually off-grid, in Montana (as tempting as it sounds). Do you foresee this opportunity extending beyond this cohort? How many 1 acre plots are going to be made available before it starts looking more like the Wheaton Estates subdivision?
 
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So far, total number of people that have jumped up to say "can I come out right now?":   zero

Total number of people that have said "I will be there with bells on, February 4.  How do I make sure I reserve a spot?":  zero

And you are asking me "what if 147 thousand people want in on this?"  

I think that when we get to the point that we have four, I will start to try and figure out what to do if we have more than six.  I think we will do some sort of waiting list.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:Total number of people that have said "I will be there with bells on, February 4.  How do I make sure I reserve a spot?":  zero



You had to know that asking people to move to Montana in the dead of winter would be a tough sell But, I'm not most people; so if I can make it happen I will. Not making any promises that I'll be wearing bells though.
 
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We've had a lot of people show up in the fall with intent of spending the winter here.   A lot of people are super curious about the rocket mass heaters.

 
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Update:   we now have one boot.  
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I understand the risks of asking a question like this, knowing that unsupervised kids at Wheaton labs may be fed to the bears or set on top of a rocket mass barrel.  However, I am curious if this program may be flexed to accommodate families where one spouse will work his tail off, and the other will stay in charge of the litter. I love the idea of raising my family in a homesteading environment.
 
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Wow, wish I were a younger man, I would jump at this chance to get in on an acre of land! But, I am a 60-year old heart patient now and I do believe that my boot-days are long gone. Maybe in another lifetime.
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Nothing scary about a "little" snow!  It's the cloud cover that would get to me eventually but this is an awesome deal!  I'd love to see a workshop or something similar where tools and methods could be adapted for people with some mobility limitations.  It's a future project of mine.
 
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Beau Davidson wrote: I understand the risks of asking a question like this, knowing that unsupervised kids at Wheaton labs may be fed to the bears or set on top of a rocket mass barrel.  However, I am curious if this program may be flexed to accommodate families where one spouse will work his tail off, and the other will stay in charge of the litter. I love the idea of raising my family in a homesteading environment.



Welcome to the forums, Beau! This sounds doable, though there are some kinda complicated details to work out when we're providing housing, utilities, basic food for three (or more, depending on the kiddos), instead of one. With a lot of "it depends" kind of situations...


 
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Robbie Asay wrote:Nothing scary about a "little" snow!  It's the cloud cover that would get to me eventually but this is an awesome deal!



We have a thread about the weather at wheaton labs - winters and summers. We have a remarkable amount of sun here in the winter months, IMHO.
 
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Wow, what an amazing thing. I wish the USA allowed people in (from the UK) for longer than 6 months, I'd be very tempted to park my life and try to be one of the two people still there at the end.
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Jocelyn Campbell wrote:We have a thread about the weather at wheaton labs - winters and summers. We have a remarkable amount of sun here in the winter months, IMHO.



Anything has to be an improvement over western WA cloud cover(9 months)!  I was made to understand by a few people living around the are that Missoula gets about 8 months of cloud cover but maybe they included the smoke in that.
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Robbie, I don't think we fully addressed the cloud cover issue you raised. Missoula sits in a bit of a bowl and does suffer from some air inversion issues that affect it both with cloud cover and with smoke. Though compared to Western WA I think Missoula is twice as sunny - at least! (I'm a Seattle native now living at wheaton labs.) I can't imagine Missoula having 8 months (relatively speaking) of cloud cover. It is considered a high mountain desert climate. Additionally, wheaton labs is about 40 minutes away from Missoula, meaning we are well outside the air inversion problem and generally have much better air quality here, even when forest fires are in the area. We also receive more rainfall than Missoula, which the growies love.

 
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Beau Davidson wrote: I understand the risks of asking a question like this, knowing that unsupervised kids at Wheaton labs may be fed to the bears or set on top of a rocket mass barrel.  However, I am curious if this program may be flexed to accommodate families where one spouse will work his tail off, and the other will stay in charge of the litter. I love the idea of raising my family in a homesteading environment.



I like the idea of doing something like that some day.  

I offered something a lot like this a year and a half ago, but had no takers.  I thought it would be cool to bring in three families and they could support each other.  But I had zero families to try this idea.  

The word "bootcamp" starts off with some meaning where a person would go and share bunks with 50 other people for three months.  More recently it has come to mean something where a person will pay to go get training in something for a week to a month. And the style of training is experiential.  But in neither of those scenarios is there a family.  

I do think that a person could get an ant plot, build a little something for their whole family and that would work.  

There have been kids here.  Lots of kids.   A few were amazingly cool and most were not.   And since the fisher price house is not childproof, a parent needs to rain down hell on a toddler to get them to not destroy things - and in the end stuff just gets wrecked.

The thing with kids has been brought up dozens of times.   For the first time ever, I'm going to do this:   what do you propose?
 
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Robbie Asay wrote: maybe they included the smoke in that.



Smoke?   You mean the forest fire stuff in august?  We didn't see much of that this year.
 
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I think this is one of the coolest ideas I've ever heard! Really cool Paul! I hope you get a great group over there. I'm a little far away, but I'm routing for you. It seems that this is a great way to develop a strong community with people having a similar mindset. Eighteen months of separating the wheat from the chaff and a reward at the end. With a growing community of self sufficient people. Just brilliant!

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3rd times The Charm! 😊
 
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If I want to come from South Africa would I allowed to own land in the US? Is this offer for US peeps only? I also have an 8yr old kid...that I would probably bring along...exploring unschooling with her. This offer sounds too good to be true, everyone says around here. There must be a catch. But the thing is, for me, I go by feeling...and so far it feels legit and good.
 
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You would not be owning land.  

My impression is that the US gub'mint allows people to come here for a few months and then you have to leave.    But I gotta say there is a lot with coming and going from other countries that I don't understand.

As for an eight year old:  it depends on how well the 8 year old works.  But I am open to giving it a try for a week or two.


 
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It sounds like we might fill all six spots in the next couple of days.   So I just gotta make it clear right now:   first come, first serve.

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It's official.  All six spots are now full.

People are welcome to:

-   sign up for the waiting list.  To do this, you still need to part with the gapper fee.  Or, for those that have been here in the past as a gapper, or attended a workshop, you can just send fred an email and you will be put onto the waiting list.

-   sign up for a spot before febuary 4.   The program won't be quite as formal, but some people might find some benefit.  And that time would still go towards a roots package.   When febuary 4 comes around, you can be a regular gapper with the ants.  If you are also on the waiting list, then there is a chance you will be able to get into the bootcamp later.  


I talked to fred about possibly expanding the boot program.  I agree with him that we should first get a few weeks under our belt with six and see how things go from there.


 
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paul wheaton wrote:It's official.  All six spots are now full.


Congratulations, Paul and Fred!  Based on reading the forums, I didn't think you would get many takers.  But there is so much context that we barbarians out here in the ether don't get.

Fred, I guess you have 3-ish months to get ready.  I encourage you to post tool needs to a "love" thread!
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Fred, I guess you have 3-ish months to get ready.  I encourage you to post tool needs to a "love" thread!



Good point!  It would probably be good to have shovels, picks, drawknives, spuds ....

Technically, all boots are gappers.  So I suppose all the gapper love stuff would be okay.

 
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I updated the first post to show that the bootcamp program is now full and how folks can get on the waiting list.
 
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Sorry but it appears that my specialness is showing but how do I properly get a hold of Kia and Fred about all this? Or is this the preferred form of contact on this site.
 
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Garett Conner wrote:Sorry but it appears that my specialness is showing but how do I properly get a hold of Kia and Fred about all this? Or is this the preferred form of contact on this site.


Hi Garett - I think we've connected with you outside the forums - yay! I'm a bit slow in replying, though I thought I'd repeat part of Paul's first post in case it helps anyone else:

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NOTE!  The bootcamp program is currently FULL.  

We are maintaining a waiting list.   To get in line, you must pay the non-refundable gapper fee ($20 to $100, depending - details here).  

There are two spots left for now until Feb 4.  A gapper could arrive, be part of the early-boot program, and then on February 4, they could help ants in ant village until there is an opening in the bootcamp program.  If this sounds like a possibility for you, please email fred at richsoil.com.

Other gappers that wish to be part of the boot program are also welcome to come and work with the ants until spots in the bootcamp program open up.   Gappers that are helping ants will be given preference over gappers that are not here yet.

Depending on how things go, we might expand the bootcamp program to facilate 8 or more at a later time.  


 
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Hey guys and gals, I'm curious as to how well the program is filling up. I've tried to amass a small community of workers of like minds to do something very similar. I've found that the biggest deterrent is land ownership. You have obviously taken care of that part (and I would hope that you give more than just a verbal agreement for this), but suppose someone does the numbers in their head and decides that all the work they provide isn't worth 1 single acre? I'm honestly curious as I have been a farm manager in Haiti for 3 years and also WWOOFed around the NE for 2 years now. I was basically WWOOFing before that before I knew of that organization. I've built up peoples' lands, farms, homes, businesses, customers, etc. But I've found the greed of owners too much and expectations way too high, while they are never willing to do something even remotely similar to what they expect you to do. So, what makes your place, in a very cold area of the country, worth it all? This is coming from someone who doesn't walk away from a very shitty experience before at least a year has passed so I can feel I had stamina and perseverance and gave it a go. Been burned, sounds wonderful, but still sounds the same as many places I helped build only to be left out in the cold.
 
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Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?
 
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Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?



As I understand this is verbal so far or have all arrived? Nothing is for certain until the "boots are on the ground". I guess my questions should be directed to someone more personal than a discussion forum. And yes, I read this entire discussion forum. I have not seen the videos yet.
 
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Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?


Where are these videos in this post you speak of?
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Jay Frenier wrote:

Miles Flansburg wrote:Howdy Jay , welcome to permies!

You did read the above posts that said the program is full and taking backup names right?

Have you taken some time to look at some of the posts here that have videos of all of the things that are going on in the ant village?


Where are these videos in this post you speak of?



If you look at the whole wheaton labs forum you'll find lots of threads with videos.  Jesse's ant village thread might be a good place to start.
 
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Right at the top of this forum, there's a little note under the first post, with a link to a summary of all things wheaton labs.  This is a really good gateway to learning more about the work Paul does and the opportunities for people who wish to visit, stay or even make a home there.  This might help you understand more about what this is all about and what you can expect from wheaton labs.  The boots-to-roots programme is just one of many opportunities.
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I thought you meant in this forum. Yes, I have been all through the site over the past many years. This is my first time posting (probably my last) but I have been following Paul for quite a long time now. I'll quit asking questions as no one really tried to answer them. Good luck on the village and boot camp and all. Love. Peace.
 
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