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Hi all,
I could use an ear.  I don't expect answers or fixes, as I don't think there are any available to me.  

I'm 63.  My dream has always been a homestead, but I can see that's never gonna happen.  No money, no help, physical problems.  I live in an apt. in a small building.

When Covid hit, my landlady stopped coming around.  She's in her 70's, and in pretty poor shape.  Besides being batshit crazy, she's really overweight and has a bad back.  I don't think she can even walk much anymore.  Because she wasn't here, I started fixing up the small backyard.  (She had never wanted anyone back there before).  I put in thousands of hours of work, starting from a weedy, filthy dump with sand for soil, and adding lots of plants, etc.  I built a quail hutch, and using the composted waste from my birds, built the soil up.  I moved the quail to the back, and got some bantam chickens.  

Everything went along swimmingly.  The other tenants (the few that stayed.  Many left the state.) love it.  They love the birds and all the flowers.  It wasn't mine, but it was sort of a homestead, and it made me happy.  

Now, she's fixing up a lot of the apartments and renting to new people.  There is one apt. that faces the backyard and has a door that opens into it.  There was an old man who used to live there, but he was staying somewhere else for over a year, and then he died.  The place has been empty for years.

I'm so worried she's gonna tell me I can't go back there, or that I have to get rid of my birds.  They bring me such joy.  I live on disability, can't afford to buy or even move.  I live with my boyfriend of 40 years, and we are not getting along.  He threatened me with a knife in one of his rages last week.  Then, of course, he says, "Oh, I didn't mean it!" a week later, when he apologizes.  He invalidates my feelings of fear.  Then he gets mad at me again when I don't immediately say, "I forgive you, everything's fine!"

I feel like my world is falling apart.  I've lost 5 pounds.  
 
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One has to wonder just how many other people are in your exact shoes right now. It sounds like you have accomplished a great deal with very little to work with. That's admirable. Physical things come and go in life, but your experiences are your own. You have accomplished something, and no one can ever take that away from you.

Any pics of your projects? Wanna tell us more about your birds?
 
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I understand your fears Lori. There are soooo... many people in North America with insecure housing. That you've taken the chance and built a little garden from nothing is awesome. Hopefully, the landlord will prefer a known long-term tenant over chancing a new one, and hopefully, whoever lands in that apartment with the back door, will be pleased that they can see a lovely garden that they don't have to care for.

I do have a few questions which you can choose to answer or not:
1. Have you, or could you plant nice flowers where the new tenant would see them to help disguise the veggies and chicken area?
2. Can you afford to stay if your boyfriend has to leave for your safety?
3. I've heard that some viruses can trigger mental illness. Physical illness can cause pain/poor sleeping which can change behavior. Is there some way to get your boyfriend thoroughly examined by doctors?

I really, really hope it all works out in the end.
 
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Jay Angler wrote:
I do have a few questions which you can choose to answer or not:
1. Have you, or could you plant nice flowers where the new tenant would see them to help disguise the veggies and chicken area?
2. Can you afford to stay if your boyfriend has to leave for your safety?
3. I've heard that some viruses can trigger mental illness. Physical illness can cause pain/poor sleeping which can change behavior. Is there some way to get your boyfriend thoroughly examined by doctors?

I really, really hope it all works out in the end.



The backyard is all flowers, because it's too shady for most vegetables.  I can't cover the chickens, but the quail are way in the back and not visible unless you hang out a window.  The herbs and asparagus are at the north end, away from that door.  I can't afford to stay.  Well, I could, but then I wouldn't be able to eat.  I'm trying to get him to see a counselor at work.  He's always been volatile, but this is the first time he's actually threatened me physically.  He usually screams and breaks things.
 
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I steward 3 acres in S Texas. Changing lawn into foodforest. wanting to share. i am an acupuncturist and herbalist in California. Learning here about Traditional subtropical medicine growing medicinal herbs too and learning to combine and cooking with them. Some herbs are both medicinal and gourmet. Start growing as much as I can sell on a subsidiced farmersmarket here. 1 chicken now. Beautiful and very private here. 2 bedroom 2 living room diningroom, garage, waterfront property. If you need to move....... Purple moosage me.
 
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Jordan Holland wrote:One has to wonder just how many other people are in your exact shoes right now.



Too many, I imagine.  My biggest fear is being homeless and losing my animals.

Any pics of your projects? Wanna tell us more about your birds?

I tried to post some pix yesterday, but just couldn't upload.  I think my connection is bad.  I'll try again.  I have 7 bantams, 14 quail, and 2 dogs.  6 hens and 1 rooster: Phyllis, Alice, Juanita, Cookie, Karen and Nitti.  Rooster is Bruce.  They are all Seramas and Seram x Ameraucana.  I raised Bruce and Phyllis from eggs, and they are my babies.  Bruce sits with me all the time.  He loves to watch tv and go for car rides.  He follows me around the house.  Phyllis comes when I call her.  3 of my quail are pretty old at 3 years, the others are under a year.  2 of the are super friendly, Shirley and Little Chicken.  Little Chicken was raised by Phyllis!
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Bruce waiting to go for a car ride in his Super Coop
Bruce waiting to go for a car ride in his Super Coop
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Phyllis raising quail babies
Phyllis raising quail babies
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Bruce helping me type
Bruce helping me type
 
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More pix:
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Phyllis, Alice & Bruce
Phyllis, Alice & Bruce
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Bruce sitting on the couch
Bruce sitting on the couch
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My 14 y/o girl, Suzy
My 14 y/o girl, Suzy
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Bruce in the back, where the quail are. I laid those stepping stones. The windows are the apt. I was telling you about.
Bruce in the back, where the quail are. I laid those stepping stones. The windows are the apt. I was telling you about.
 
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Laurel Finch wrote:More pix:

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Things I planted near the back apt.
Things I planted near the back apt.
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Mulberry I grew from a cutting, facing south, to the door of the apt.
Mulberry I grew from a cutting, facing south, to the door of the apt.
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Corner near the apt. door
Corner near the apt. door
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California pipevine to attract pipevine butterflies. I grew this from a cutting. Near the apt.
California pipevine to attract pipevine butterflies. I grew this from a cutting. Near the apt.
 
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Laurel Finch wrote:More pix:

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Roses grown from cutting, near the apt.
Roses grown from cutting, near the apt.
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Ajuga, near the apt.
Ajuga, near the apt.
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North end herb garden
North end herb garden
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south end, with chicken pen
south end, with chicken pen
 
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Laurel Finch wrote:More pix:

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Nasturtium
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pipevine
pipevine
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native current
native current
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Corner by the apt
Corner by the apt
 
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Laurel Finch wrote:More pix:

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Rose from cutting, now up to third storey
Rose from cutting, now up to third storey
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apple tree planted by chickens!
apple tree planted by chickens!
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Laurel Finch wrote:More pix:

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before & after, first year
before & after, first year
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first year
first year
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first year
first year
 
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Laurel Finch wrote:More pix:

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back apt, before & after. I put in the brick patio.
back apt, before & after. I put in the brick patio.
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back apt.right after cleanup and new patio I put in
back apt.right after cleanup and new patio I put in
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looking north
looking north
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back area, newly planted
back area, newly planted
 
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Beautiful images, wonderful garden, truly inspiring work. Thank you for sharing all of this! Best wishes as you keep up the good work.

I know your thread is entitled "When there are no solutions..." but I think you are a person who generates a tornado of solutions. I truly think you have the gifts of creative thinking and making the most out of what you have--which is even better than having, perhaps many opportunities, but not even recognizing what can be done with them. You have proved that you are the kind of person who works outward and upward. You will find ways to do more and be more with a mental skill set like that!

Again, thank you for sharing your treasures here!
 
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Ohh my, look at all of the diversity in such a footprint!

We cannot control the thrusts and pulls of life but we can relish the moments inside of it. You have created a little piece of paradise with your own two hands. You should be proud of what you have and continue to accomplish with your work.

I love the photos of your chooks, very well taken! That rooster looks like he has some spunk to him. I wish I had a feisty fella for my ladies but it isn't in the cards at the moment.
 
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Thank you for the lovely pictures!

Especially the ajuga.  It is a favorite that I have not grown in a long time.

And the roses are beautiful.

Your chickens look so sweet and well-behaved.
 
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You've created something beautiful there, Laurel. I'm praying it all works out, especially that your boyfriend gets help with his anger issues. If there's any domestic violence counseling available for you, it could give you the additional support you need to set boundaries and stay safe.
 
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Rachel Lindsay wrote:Beautiful images, wonderful garden, truly inspiring work. Thank you for sharing all of this! Best wishes as you keep up the good work.  Again, thank you for sharing your treasures here!



Thank you <3.  It means a lot to me.  All my life, I've been considered "odd" and "weird" for liking the things I do.  I get along way better with animals and plants than I do with people.  I was discouraged from pursuing a career in horticulture or agriculture.  My boyfriend tells me only crazy people have chickens in the house.  I've never been physically able to work full time, but because my disabilities are invisible,  people have always come down on me for it, like I'm lazy.  After so many years of hearing that, it becomes internalized.
 
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Timothy Norton wrote:Ohh my, look at all of the diversity in such a footprint!



Thank you for noticing that, as it was one of my goals!  I'm constantly trying out all sorts of new plants, since it is such a difficult area.  It's cold, dark, just sand, and can be a wind tunnel.  I'm literally across the street from the Pacific Ocean, and this area was all sand dunes until about 60 years ago.

I love the photos of your chooks, very well taken! That rooster looks like he has some spunk to him. I wish I had a feisty fella for my ladies but it isn't in the cards at the moment.



I've wanted chickens all my life, and they are wonderful!  So funny, with such big personalities.  They make me laugh and smile every day, "helping" me around the yard.  I absolutely adore them.  Bruce is a real character.  He thinks I'm his mommy.  He loves going to the laundry, because I always buy him a mini taco at 7-11.  When we get there, he gets so excited he starts pecking my shoulder.  "Where's my taco?  Where's my taco?"
 
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I just noticed you are in upstate NY.  Where abouts?  When I was a charming maid, 1000 years ago, I lived in Glens Falls for 2 years.
 
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Anne Miller wrote:Thank you for the lovely pictures!

Especially the ajuga.  It is a favorite that I have not grown in a long time.

And the roses are beautiful.

Your chickens look so sweet and well-behaved.



Thank you!  That's an old heritage rose I grew from a cutting.  I can't remember the name, but it only blooms once a year.  The chickens are hilarious.  I don't know how anyone can be sad when they have chickens
 
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Laurel Finch wrote:I just noticed you are in upstate NY.  Where abouts?  When I was a charming maid, 1000 years ago, I lived in Glens Falls for 2 years.



Stop! I am thirty minutes from Glens Falls! What a small world!

Without outing myself too much, I'm over in Washington County near the Hudson.
 
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Jane Mulberry wrote:You've created something beautiful there, Laurel. I'm praying it all works out, especially that your boyfriend gets help with his anger issues. If there's any domestic violence counseling available for you, it could give you the additional support you need to set boundaries and stay safe.



Thank you!  I wonder how I could find out about domestic violence counseling for me?  The worst part of it for me is when he gaslights me afterward and says he never said that, or that's not what he meant, or acts like I'm the one whose over-reacting.
 
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Timothy Norton wrote:

Laurel Finch wrote:I just noticed you are in upstate NY.  Where abouts?  When I was a charming maid, 1000 years ago, I lived in Glens Falls for 2 years.



Stop! I am thirty minutes from Glens Falls! What a small world!

Without outing myself too much, I'm over in Washington County near the Hudson.



Oh wow!  LOL!  I have a friend who's a fairly well known author who lives in Greenwich.  His name is Jim Kunstler.  He wrote a whole series of books called World Made by Hand, about a near future, post-apocalypse world as seen from Washington Co., NY!

I grew up in NYC, but I've been living out here on the Left Coast for 40 years.
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I HAVE CHILLS, I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF A GREENWICH. THIS IS CRAZY!

I'm so glad that in all of the world that I got to meet you on Permies! I'm so happy to be able to make your acquaintance. This is so funny!
 
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Timothy Norton wrote:I HAVE CHILLS, I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF A GREENWICH. THIS IS CRAZY!

I'm so glad that in all of the world that I got to meet you on Permies! I'm so happy to be able to make your acquaintance. This is so funny!



GET OUT!  No!  OMG, how funny is this?  Do you know Jim?  I'm glad to meet you, too!
 
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I do not personally know of him, but I have heard of his books. I am going to do some digging and I believe I have something new to read! I'm excited.
 
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Timothy Norton wrote:I do not personally know of him, but I have heard of his books. I am going to do some digging and I believe I have something new to read! I'm excited.



Cool!  I read them all, and really enjoyed them.  That's how we became friends.  I wrote to him after I read them.  I just had to tell him I  had lived there, and knew all those places.  He's written quite a few non-fiction books, too.  Two good ones are The Geography of Nowhere and The Long Emergency

He writes a blog, too, called Clusterfuck Nation.  He also plays locally in a band, what I call "Hillbilly music", LOL.
 
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Laurel Finch wrote: I wonder how I could find out about domestic violence counseling for me?  The worst part of it for me is when he gaslights me afterward and says he never said that, or that's not what he meant, or acts like I'm the one whose over-reacting.


I am glad you reached out. I am very concerned about this. I do not like it. This situation is not okay, Not ever. The history of these events indicates it will get worse, not better, without intervention from your fellow citizens and the authorities.

But yes, it's hard and terrifying to deal with. It is very important to document these events, this serial behaviour. A threat by knife should be a 911 call,  period. I hope you are able to make a 911 call. If there is no immediate danger, there may also be a "soft intervention team" that can attend the call -- it's not automatically a SWAT takedown. But this gets the event on the official record, a police report, which matters a great deal over time.

Also, keep a detailed personal journal of coercive control or violent intimidation. With that evidence, the police and courts can impose anger counselling and other measures that are not punitive, but sort of a restorative justice approach that looks for a win-win.

What you have built is awesome! We can see your heart in this. I'd bet real money that regardless of what happens, you will land on your feet, and thrive. Keep your courage!
 
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Laurel Finch wrote: I wonder how I could find out about domestic violence counseling for me?  The worst part of it for me is when he gaslights me afterward and says he never said that, or that's not what he meant, or acts like I'm the one whose over-reacting.


I am glad you reached out. I am very concerned about this. I do not like it. This situation is not okay, Not ever. The history of these events indicates it will get worse, not better, without intervention from your fellow citizens and the authorities.

But yes, it's hard and terrifying to deal with. It is very important to document these events, this serial behaviour. A threat by knife should be a 911 call,  period. I hope you are able to make a 911 call. If there is no immediate danger, there may also be a "soft intervention team" that can attend the call -- it's not automatically a SWAT takedown. But this gets the event on the official record, a police report, which matters a great deal over time.

Also, keep a detailed personal journal of coercive control or violent intimidation. With that evidence, the police and courts can impose anger counselling and other measures that are not punitive, but sort of a restorative justice approach that looks for a win-win.



I have been thinking along these lines myself, especially about writing stuff down, and calling 911 if it happens again.  I have told several people about it, in emails and messages, to have a record.  He has made an appt. with a counselor at work, but it isn't until the 27th.  He's actually had to go to an anger management class at work, but it was years ago.  
 
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Laurel, what an amazing space you've made! Your landlady should see you as an asset, you really made a marvelous difference.
I wonder if you moving into the apartment that opens onto the backyard might be an option, if that is a concern with the landlady?

As for your partner. I agree with Douglas, these situations often progress in a very negative way. I see from your public profile you are located in California. This site has a map with resources available in different places there. https://www.cpedv.org/domestic-violence-organizations-california
Many have crisis lines, and even if you are not in their direct area, and don't want to "do" anything, you can still call them and just talk. You are not alone in this, and talking to someone who really, truly understands what you're going through, and maybe can have some information/advice to offer can be helpful.

Big hug from far down south: I'm glad you're here!
 
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To the original poster:
You Absolutely are a Homesteader.
With all the challenges, you have forged your dreams into a beautiful reality. You have done much more, with much less, than most ever will, even with more resources and help.
You are a Homesteader. I’m not saying that as some sort of participation trophy. You’ve kicked butt.
Don’t let what isn’t obscure your view of what is.

To some of the other posters:
She’s in a delicate and precarious situation. Unless you are going to offer her and all her animals a place to live or money don’t try to impose cookie cutter solutions based on your idea of “how it should be”. He gets arrested right now?  She’s probably going either  homeless or into a shelter. Try finding a shelter that will let her have the pet chickens. Concentrate on finding a local solution that will let her maintain what she has before injecting more chaos into an already chaotic and dangerous situation.

Best of luck, OP. I hope somebody local is able to help you leverage your talents and energy into a stable situation.
 
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I see you have a computer, could you try getting a job from home? Something where you may have to go to an office once a week/once a month and then work from the computer? Not sure if that kind of thing is an option in your area. And not sure if you would be able to find anything that pays well enough to cover the disability. Just a thought.
 
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Jeff Lindsey wrote:She’s in a delicate and precarious situation. ... Concentrate on finding a local solution that will let her maintain what she has ...


Fair comment, Jeff. This is a delicate dance. Nobody wants to make it worse, and the OP seems to be walking on eggshells already.

From what the OP has told us, it does not seem like the situation will stabilize on its own. Both she and her partner's employer have noticed the escalation. People in delicate situations can be conditioned to accept things that are unhealthy; I think saying so is a caring act.

But you are correct -- somehow, a local solution is needed. A course correction, to set things on a better path. This is possible -- couples do this all the time, though it's not an easy process. From afar, all we can do is be a listening ear.
 
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Holy cow! I was not expecting so much! Bruce in his Super Coop (or maybe "Coupe," lol) really steals the show! That is such an excellent picture, and he is beautiful. Have you ever posted him before? If so, I must have missed it. I can imagine a whole thread on the Adventures of Bruce. It's amazing how much character they can have.

It looks to me like your landlord got several thousand dollars' worth of free landscaping. I think she would be wise to keep you on as the official garden keeper as long as she can. I like Tereza's idea of possibly moving to that apartment if possible, but I would shudder to have to move myself, even if it was just from one apartment to the next. Hopefully things will work out one way or another.
 
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Jeff Lindsey wrote:To the original poster:
You Absolutely are a Homesteader.
With all the challenges, you have forged your dreams into a beautiful reality. You have done much more, with much less, than most ever will, even with more resources and help.
You are a Homesteader. I’m not saying that as some sort of participation trophy. You’ve kicked butt.
Don’t let what isn’t obscure your view of what is.



Thank you!  That really means a lot to me.

To some of the other posters:
She’s in a delicate and precarious situation. Unless you are going to offer her and all her animals a place to live or money don’t try to impose cookie cutter solutions based on your idea of “how it should be”. He gets arrested right now?  She’s probably going either  homeless or into a shelter.  



This is my situation exactly.  I have a sister back East, but she's in no shape or position to take me in.  I know how frustrating it is to hear stuff like this and to want to help.  I do it myself.  But that's why I said there are no solutions.  Personally, I would rather die than lose my animals and be homeless.  It's terrifying to me.  I see them (homeless souls) across the street, and it horrifies me.  People should not have to live that way in the richest country in the world.  

His appointment has been moved up to this Tuesday,the 21st.  I'm hoping they will send him on to a shrink, as I honestly think he needs medication, like lithium.  I have a feeling he's manic depressive.  His mother was, and quite a few cousins.  I was reading about bi-polar rage syndrome, and it really sounds like it, especially the "forgetting & denying" part.  If you've ever watched The Sopranos, he's a lot like Tony in his going from calm to rage in a split second.  Unlike Tony, he doesn't shower me with jewels, tho.  I've been putting up with it for 40 years, but he never physically threatened me before.  I'm just getting too old for the drama.  He's been OK this past few days, but he does that.  He cycles, and lately, it's been getting more often and more severe.  Age could have something to do with it, as he's 65.  

I really thought that by the time a person is this old, all the drama would be over... sigh.  
 
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Almond Thompson wrote:I see you have a computer, could you try getting a job from home? Something where you may have to go to an office once a week/once a month and then work from the computer? Not sure if that kind of thing is an option in your area. And not sure if you would be able to find anything that pays well enough to cover the disability. Just a thought.



The problem is, unless the $$$ is under the table, the gov't hears about it.  Then they lower my disability.  If I make too much, I'll lose my health insurance.  I wrote a book once, and put it up on Amazon.  I made $300 over 3 years.  The gov't found out about it, and made me pay it back.  I had never reported it because you're supposed to be able to make something like $65/month with no penalties.  They said royalties don't count because it's not "work".  I also used to make really cool teddy bears and sell them on eBay, but now it's the same way there.  
 
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Laurel Finch wrote:Thank you!  I wonder how I could find out about domestic violence counseling for me?  The worst part of it for me is when he gaslights me afterward and says he never said that, or that's not what he meant, or acts like I'm the one whose over-reacting.



Laurel, you are a beautiful, loving, and creative person. Trust your gut feelings on this relationship.

I don't know what services are available in your area and I don't live in the US so I'm not familiar with the US support organisations, but Google suggested a call to https://www.cpedv.org/domestic-violence-organizations-california may be able to help you find something local to you.

There's some information about staying safe while living with someone with a history of violence on this page: https://www.thehotline.org/resources/safety-planning-while-living-with-an-abusive-partner/

If you haven't already, it could also be useful checking what other government assistance might be available to you to help with your finances. I just saw that you're on disability but it's still worth making sure you're getting everything available. This site might provide more information: https://www.usa.gov/find-government-benefits

I hope that helps, and I hope you're able to stay safely where you are and enjoy your chickens and the beauty you created there. I pray it won't come to it, but someone further up the thread has offered you somewhere you could go with your chickens if things don't work out there. You have options.
 
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Jordan Holland wrote:Holy cow! I was not expecting so much! Bruce in his Super Coop (or maybe "Coupe," lol) really steals the show! That is such an excellent picture, and he is beautiful. Have you ever posted him before? If so, I must have missed it. I can imagine a whole thread on the Adventures of Bruce. It's amazing how much character they can have.



Thanks!  I love him so much.  Have you ever seen Super Chicken?  It's hilarious!  It's where I got Super Coop
from.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/@rosscarlson[/youtube]


It looks to me like your landlord got several thousand dollars' worth of free landscaping. I think she would be wise to keep you on as the official garden keeper as long as she can. I like Tereza's idea of possibly moving to that apartment if possible, but I would shudder to have to move myself, even if it was just from one apartment to the next. Hopefully things will work out one way or another.



The problem is, she's batshit crazy, and we have a history of not getting along.  No one gets along with her.  She would probably charge $2500/month for it, and it's smaller than the place I have now.  All I can do is hope no one wants to live in the basement at the rent she charges.  It makes no sense, because there are 4 other unrented apts. sitting there, 5 if you count her old one.  They're all bigger, nicer, and not in the basement.  That's what I mean about her being crazy.  
 
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Laurel Finch wrote:  I've never been physically able to work full time, but because my disabilities are invisible,  people have always come down on me for it, like I'm lazy.  After so many years of hearing that, it becomes internalized.



As someone who also has an internal voice that tells her that she's lazy, I felt this deep down. But no one who is lazy would keep a beautiful garden like that and care for all those animals. The productivity monkey on our shoulder likes to tell us that if we aren't working our 40 hours for the man that we are useless. But deep down what matters is that we are able to carve out a life for ourselves and truly live it. We're just animals after all.
 
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