Getting ready for the Better World Book kickstarter - April 2019

Something that we've talked about doing for this kickstarter is putting together a media kit. So if someone out there wanted to promote us, we would send them a media kit that tells them all sorts of handy things that will help them promote the project.

Maybe this is a big ask... but is there anyone who might be into the idea of looking into media kits a bit and putting one together in a way that doesn't involve me answering a bunch of questions? I imagine that some of the stuff in this thread would be very helpful. And a few other things around permies.

I guess the hope would be that if someone does this it takes one thing off my plate and allows us to launch the kickstarter just that much sooner. Maybe no one wants to do this. But you don't know unless you ask, right?

Not my forte but it doesn't appear crazy difficult if one has the time?  I liked these articles best, maybe they will help inspire someone!

5 steps:
https://fundbeam.com/the-5-step-press-kit/

Examples:
https://fundbeam.com/12-kickstarter-press-releases-raised-1-million/

Perhaps this interests someone with marketing experience, some spare hours, and desire to pay it forward - seems like a fun project and there could hardly be a more worthy cause.

Hey, doing a press kit could be a BB at a higher level for the Commerce badge.  Maybe that would help entice someone to volunteer...

I've done some research...and it is adding some complications.

Apparently shipping things to the other side of the world is rather expensive. Shipping a single book over to Europe can cost $30+ for reasonable delivery time. So by ordering 1 physical book you would be paying twice for shipping as you would for the actual book. This is discouraging for me. I know I would certainly think twice about whether or not I wanted to buy.

So let's look at buying 12 books instead. If we would change the format of the book to be a different size than we had planned (and a touch thicker), then we could fit a dozen books into a USPS medium flat rate box. Which going over to Europe would cost $71 in shipping. Less than $7 per book but, still, ouch. If we were to keep the book at the planned size, the shipping will probably be closer to $100, maybe more. Because of size.

So we had a great idea. Which it turns out lots of other people have also thought of. Why print the book here and ship it there when we can just print it there and ship it there? Some folks suggested we take this path with our entire book. That way we don't have to pay any printing up front and our budget is much easier. The problem is that to do this in Canada and the US (especially the US) drastically reduces how much we could earn per book. So we decided to print a bunch of books at once with an offset printer. But now we're thinking: what about printing offset for Canada and the US and using print on demand for other countries?

After crunching some numbers, by doing print on demand for one book we might be able to lower the cost of international shipping from $35 to $20. Still not cheap, but almost half! This kinda seems like a slam dunk.

Looking at shipping 12 books again... instead of $70 or even $100 (possibly more) for international shipping, we might be able to cut it down to $40. I think this is a huge difference! Again, seems like a slam dunk...

BUT! As mentioned earlier in this thread, we are talking about the possibility of, if things go really really well, having Paul and I scribble in one of those 12 copies. Which means it would need to be here and then we would need to ship it internationally... adding about $35 in shipping costs.

I suppose one option is to say (again, if we do really really well and do the scribble thing) that we will only scribble in books destined for Canada or the US. Another option is to just set the shipping cost at $75 for 12 books internationally (we can't change shipping costs once the campaign launches).

So... does anyone have a better idea on how to do this?

What I'm hearing is that shipping costs are expensive.  I'm with you there!  

Now you know why I spent over 8 weeks of my publishing time dedicated to researching the book size.  I looked at the standard size of ready-made envelopes and other packaging, their weight, and how the finished product fits in Canada Post slots.  I even shipped some books with different packaging and asked people to report back how the book arrived.  I got samples of packaging from different sources.  Then, when we got closer to the printing time, I made some mock-up 'books' out of wood that were the same size and weight as the estimated finished book and wrapped them up in my semi-finalist packaging ideas and took them to the post office to see how expensive each one came to.  It took a lot of time and energy, but when the book was printed, there weren't many surprises.

I also took a lot of thought about the time it takes to pack.  My price per envelope was under $1 and my time per packing had to be under one minute.  That's $2 handling costs per parcel.

I also thought a lot about insurance and replacement cost.  The price of insurance was quite a bit more than no insurance.  In fact, it was often higher than the replacement costs.  Sometimes it is more economical to be my own insurance - the price of replacing and re-shipping a lost book was less than the price of insurance.  Shipping overseas for me is averaging $14 shipping and handling for one book.  The post office says this takes 5-10 days (not including customs).  I could do it for less, but it takes about 10 weeks (usually longer)

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Another option is a service like chit chats if you are driving past one of their drop off locations on the way home from seeing Paul.

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As a Canadian, I noticed a lot of US shops won't sell to our country because they feel the shipping cost is too high.  I tell them this is rubbish.  I know how much shipping costs from various states to my home.  If I want the item, then I'm okay with paying high shipping costs.  So long as the shipping is the ACTUAL shipping plus handling cost.  Please don't not list it because the shipping looks high.

Your other problem is that if you are shipping to a country that has bandits operating the customs dept the buyer will get clobbered  at their end if they are buying a box of books. E.g. SPAIN!. Stuff coming from the US almost doubles in price to come here. Worth checking out I think. But if you find a more US friendly country who could post them on? P.s. Loved the book, Raven!

paul wheaton wrote:At the permies.com staff meeting, several of the staff made their point about how it is important to offer signed copies.  I have always seen this as "why would you want somebody to scribble in a perfectly good book?" but the staff made it clear that it is an important thing.
...

To make it easier after a while, maybe we should get Paul a nice big Signant ring for quick signing / stamping his Dukal seal.

Mike Jay wrote:I think I sense an opportunity to translate..  

...  Some times misreading is the best fertile ground for new thought.

Adding in a foot note to a wiki/permies thread on 'non English translations of the book'.   Ether official or volunteer versions might be great.   Hell give it to a 3 year french class as a project.    It would also give an opportunity to gauge want for such a thing.  

Mike Jay wrote:I think I sense an opportunity to translate.  K, I suspect Paul's answer to your question is the PEP philosophy, bootcamp, deep roots and ant programs at Wheaton Lab.  They are methods for someone with minimal capital to learn the skills and get the land they need to live the dream.  They are somewhat limited to his site in Montana but the idea of them could be very transferable.  

So his question back to you is if those programs should be included in the book.  

It'd be nice is something could be, however abbreviated. The book's a starting point, right? So that's another point to start someone thinking.

The campaign has now been submitted to Kickstarter for official review!

Woohooooooo!!!

The kickstarter has been officially approved.

Due to suggestions in this thread, the following was added to the bottom of chapter 10:

A Few Experiments Being Conducted on Human Beings

As I am writing this, I am currently conducting four experiments that have active participants. I’ll need a few years of documented results before these ideas can have a book of their own and then they can be expanded to work on thousands of properties:

Ant Village: Rent a Gert-sized plot with low annual rent and strict permaculture standards.

Deep roots: low lifetime rent on a Gert-sized plot.

The Permaculture Bootcamp: Learn permaculture through a lot of hard work in exchange for an Ant Village package or a Deep Roots package.

PEP: A huge list of experiences, most of which you can do at home. Document and prove your accomplishments online using your cell phone. People are looking to will their land to folks with enough experience.

paul wheaton wrote:The kickstarter has been officially approved.

Ermahgerd!!! When's this going live???

Dave Burton wrote:Ermahgerd!!! When's this going live???

here is the todo list:

 - finish appendix B
 - last pass through all chapter notes (about 22 chapters to go)
 - create isbn and copyright page
 - have banners ready (done!)
 - finalize shipping costs stuff so we have the right number in the kickstarter (done!)
 - put together something that will be good enough as a media kit (tracy is on it!)
 - get the full description and tags ready for when the video goes up on youtube
 - finish getting all the earlybird stuff set up (done!)
 - get the PEP ebook ready
 - finish 3 microdocs from last kickstarter (I worked on this today!)

So Paul, do you have like any wild guess as to when the items that are not yet marked as done! will be marked as done! and this will go live?  We have been on the edge of our seats for weeks now.  ;-)

I think that if everything else in our lives worked perfectly, and we worked perfectly, it would be about four days.  

Today I need to manage the bootcamp for two hours.   And then at 3:30 I need to drive jocelyn into missoula.  I meet with shawn twice almost every day to work on all of this.   Today we meet at 8am for two hours and again at 2:30pm for one hour.  I have another 1 hour meeting about all this at 1pm.  I can tell you that I think the three microdocs have a lot of potential.  And I can tell you that the pass through on the chapters knocked out the chapters with the biggest notes first.  But I do know that there is one chapter that is going to need more changes that is on the "todo" list.  

All of the PEP sand badges and BBs need to be all done and mashed into an ebook before the kickstarter begins.  It looks like there are heaps of people helping with that!

Appendix B is going to take some serious work.

For a long list of reasons I wish to start the kickstarter immediately.   At the same time, I have two huge things that compel me to wait:

  - obligation is poison.   If we get the kickstarter done and we have a lot of this work to do, that work is poison to me.  I have to make sure all of this stuff is done before the kickstarter begins.  It's how I'm wired.

  - The video says that the book is done.  It is done now.   And it will be even more done when all of the suggestions have been carefully considered.  And Shawn and I have done every spec of polish that is possible.  And then, if we get funded early, the formal editing step can happen during the kickstarter.  So the whole process of getting the books to everybody after the kickstarter will go about three weeks faster.   And it is super important to me to be timely with this sort of thing.


I get by with a little help from my friends

Look at all the people throwing their shoulder in for the PEP stuff.  For a lot of these things, different people are standing up and helping out.  This community that I am a part of is magnificent.   Hell, Shawn came to me and offered to help with this book because he listened to my podcasts which I made available to the world for free.  Most of the world seems like such a gray, commercial wasteland of fashion magazines, beer ads and mindless banality.  But the ride with this community is magnificent!  The kickstarter is going to be fun.

get the full description and tags ready for when the video goes up on youtube  

Anybody wanna take a stab at this one?

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your extraordinarily complete response to my earlier question.  Still on pins and needles though.  ;-)

Sincerely,

Ralph

todo:

- finish appendix B
- last pass through all chapter notes (about 16 chapters to go)
- create isbn and copyright page
- have banners ready (done!)
- finalize shipping costs stuff so we have the right number in the kickstarter (done!)
- put together something that will be good enough as a media kit (tracy is on it!)
- get the full description and tags ready for when the video goes up on youtube
- finish getting all the earlybird stuff set up (done!)
- get the PEP ebook ready
- finish 3 microdocs from last kickstarter (one down and two to go!)

paul wheaton wrote: - last pass through all chapter notes (about 16 chapters to go)

By my count we're currently at 13. And we've done a lot of the heavy lifting on most of those already.

Luxuriant environmentalism... So it's verdant and lush, or shiny and glossy?

luxuriant

Echoing a point from earlier, it sounds weird to my ear.

Other than that, I can't wait. Good luck!

-CK

todo:

- finish appendix B (lots of recent progress)
- last pass through all chapter notes (about 12 chapters to go)
- create isbn and copyright page (lots of recent progress)
- have banners ready (done!)
- finalize shipping costs stuff so we have the right number in the kickstarter (done!)
- put together something that will be good enough as a media kit (done!)
- get the full description and tags ready for when the video goes up on youtube (tracy is on it!)
- finish getting all the earlybird stuff set up (done!)
- get the PEP ebook ready (lots of recent progress)
- finish 3 microdocs from last kickstarter (one up and another one might be up today!)


I think that the last PEP badge will be finished in the next 24 hours, and then mashing it all into an ebook can wait until two weeks after the kickstarter.  

We had to rewrite some sections of the book as we dig up the research.  And there have been some comments that made us think "that is a really good point, we will have to change this part."   And then, of course, a long parade of small grammatical things.  

Shawn has created a rough draft of the ISBN page and we did some fiddling today.

Shawn has put a lot of work into appendix B.   It should be ready for me to make a pass through it in a day or two.

I looked at a draft of the "12 rocket mass heaters" video yesterday.  I gave it the green light.   Hopefully, Dan will get me a full res copy today.



Overall ...   I think it is possible that this list will be complete by thursday afternoon.   At that point we need to fire up the "pre marketing" stuff and the kickstarter will most likely be live a couple of days later.   Once we have this list of stuff done, shawn and I will pick a date and time to officially start the kickstarter.

The ISBN and copyright pages are ready to roll. The last bits for this will get sorted out if and when we're sure that we are going to get funded and actually print a book!

todo:

- finish appendix B (lots of recent progress)
- last pass through all chapter notes (about 11 chapters to go)
- create isbn and copyright page (done!)
- have banners ready (done!)
- finalize shipping costs stuff so we have the right number in the kickstarter (done!)
- put together something that will be good enough as a media kit (done!)
- get the full description and tags ready for when the video goes up on youtube (tracy is on it!)
- finish getting all the earlybird stuff set up (done!)
- get the PEP ebook ready (done!)
- finish 3 microdocs from last kickstarter (one up and another one might be up today!)
- make sure all of the footnotes are in all the chapters


ISBN page is done, and the PEP stuff is done!

Shawn pointed out that I left the footnotes stuff off the list.   This is where he and tracy are currently putting in a lot of time.  And it looks like that task is a BIG ONE!  

All of the chapter notes are now processed!

Here is what is left:

  - appendix B (now about 75% complete)
  - get youtube stuff ready
  - finish stuff from last kickstarter
         o waiting for 12 rockets hi res from dan
         o waiting for skiddable structures low res from dan
  - footnotes (now about 25% complete)

Youtube text and tag suggestions. Feel free to add, delete or change what you want.

Kickstarter youtube text

The book, Building a Better World in Your Backyard, takes a look at some of the things that the average person can do, right where they live, to help mitigate world problems, save money, and make their footprint on the planet virtually disappear.

If you would like to learn some really cool stuff about REALLY saving energy, growing gobs of food almost effortlessly, and a house design that solves nearly everything, then this is the book for you.

The book is illustrated with pen and ink drawings designed to explain some concepts, share important information, or amuse and entertain the reader.

Paul and Shawn have launched a Kickstarter campaign to take the book to the printer and get it out into the world. Their hope is that people will make their pledges for the levels of reward that get them a pile of books, and then share those books with people who need to see this information. Spreading the word is what it’s all about.

AND! Supporting the Kickstarter within the first 48 hours (update this with date and time when we have it) will also get you a whole whack of cool stuff from more than 25 people who are bonkers about permaculture, homesteading, and saving the planet, and have ebooks, pdfs, and videos to share with you.

“For nearly every global problem, there are solutions we can implement in our backyard that also save us money and help us live more luxuriant lives. A few of us do these things and bask in the flow of the opulence and extra cash. Others observe and think, “I want extra luxury and money too! Not fair!” And then they emulate. And on and on it goes. Then the global problems sorta just dry up and blow away. That’s what this book is all about.

I think the reason we see so many people angry is because they authentically care; but they seem to get stuck at being angry. Some people spend a hundred hours a week for 20 years being angry and not much changes. But I think that if you spend a tiny fraction of that time doing the things mentioned in this book, your global positive impact will be a thousand times greater.”

~ From the Introduction to Building a Better World in Your Backyard by Paul Wheaton and Shawn Klassen-Koop


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When I search for products, I use the word "eco" (usually separate from other words) as this can mean both ecological and economy - two things I'm very fond of.  

Shawn,

Dan says he can have those videos to me on monday.  

If you think we can get through all of the footnotes and appendix B by the end of the day monday, then I propose that we now start the clock for the kickstarter to start on Tuesday at 2pm - no matter what.  

Agreed?

I'm going to make a hard push through the weekend to get the footnotes finished.

Start the clock. Tuesday at 2.

It's on!    



The kickstarter starts
Tuesday at 2!

Yippy!

The kickstarter goes live, tuesday at 2.

Here is the preview page:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulwheaton/308937956?ref=752944&token=0ede3563

Here are the 31 earlybird bonus goodies for all backers in first couple of days:

https://permies.com/wiki/105778/Earlybird-Bonus-Goodies-hours-World

Here is the media kit for the kickstarter:

https://permies.com/w/media

And now is the time to add your name to the list if you want a kickback code:

https://permies.com/t/105920/Kickback-deal-World-Book-kickstarter

Any errors?  Typos?  Stupid stuff?  

That looks like one beautiful kickstarter page!  Love it, Love it, Love it.  Now for the nit picking

Looking through it. the first thing that struck me is that the apple is beautiful!  And by comparison, the edges of the green book are pixllated and kinda fake looking....

I love the chapters all laid out.  Soooo much content.  People are sure to say there are 10-20 things they need to read.  I've read a bunch of the book and I'm still excited to read the stuff I haven't read.

I'm sure it's tricky to lay out the rewards and the bonus stuff in a logical way.  And I'm sure you've thought it through and arrived where you are with good reason.  In the faint chance that you haven't, the early bird bonus was kind of where I expected the introduction to be.  Could it be a hyperlink in it's current location that directs you down to just above Thanks where it could be enumerated in full?  So you'd get to mention the early bird deal up front but without taking people off course on their way to the intro.  Then down as you get into the rewards, the early bird stuff is listed?  Just a thought...  Maybe kickstarter doesn't work that way...

Other random thoughts as I read through it:

"What this book is about" section:
Maybe take out the first comma in the first sentence so that it rolls off the tongue better.  Before "at home".  
Seems like there's a spacing glitch between the last two lines of the first paragraph that is shifting over the words "saving a lot of money" by one space to the right.  ie it's not left justified.

Table of contents section:
The font is different from the rest of the kickstarter text.  Seems a bit fuzzy or something to my eyes/monitor.
Probably too late, but could the subchaper under 17 read better if it was something like "Prepping the soil to no longer need prepping"?  Or "Prep the soil once and walk away".  The current wording works fine if you mentally put the emphasis on the word "not" but if the reader doesn't (like I did), it's a bit more confusing.

Rewards:
Is it possible/smart/dumb to add the cost next to Thanks, Candy, etc?  Then folks don't have to scroll back up to see the prices stepping up as they read down through the goodies?

Pledge $1000:  
What if corporate trolls take advantage of this?  Do you have a way out if they want to use their words to advertise roundup?  Maybe it would be an opportunity?  Chapter 33: Corporate trolls are real and they paid for the following crappy ads...

Pledge $25,000:
Paul will come to your site and spend two days showing you how to be awesome.

Looking through it. the first thing that struck me is that the apple is beautiful!  And by comparison, the edges of the green book are pixllated and kinda fake looking....

Good catch!  I see it too!   Asking Tracy if she can do something about that.

the early bird bonus was kind of where I expected the introduction to be.  Could it be a hyperlink in it's current location that directs you down to just above Thanks where it could be enumerated in full?

I don't know of a way to do that.  

Instead, I am asking tracy to come up with some small images for that part to add in later today.  And there is a link to the thread about the earlybird stuff.  

I think that for the first 72 hours, it will need to be right there, and then we take it out.

"What this book is about" section:  

I changed both suggested things.  Look okay now?

Table of contents section:
The font is different from the rest of the kickstarter text.  Seems a bit fuzzy or something to my eyes/monitor.  

These are images, and we are trying to use a font that will be used in the layout of the book.  

Fuzzy:  right click and view an image as a standalone image.  Does it look better?   If so, what if you look at the fuzzy stuff and make your browser wider or narrower - does that change things?

Probably too late, but could the subchaper under 17 read better if it was something like "Prepping the soil to no longer need prepping"?  Or "Prep the soil once and walk away".

If Shawn agrees with your analysis, it could end up in the book!   But I think we will leave it for now for the kickstarter because that would require a discussion with shawn, and then getting tracy to make a new image there.


(more in a moment)

Yay, I'm not seeing things  Thanks!

Good point about the 72 hour thing going away.  When I first read it I was thinking (good, this part will go away and then it will flow better).  Then I forgot I had thought that.  

Yes, the What This Book is About section looks great now.

The fuzziness thing might just by my eyeballs.  It looks slightly better as a standalone image but that could be due to the black border that then appears.  I'm on full screen and I played with zooming in and out and that didn't change it for the better.  I guess I'd ignore this unless someone else chimes in with similar concerns.  It's perfectly readable as is.

Rewards:
Is it possible/smart/dumb to add the cost next to Thanks, Candy, etc?  Then folks don't have to scroll back up to see the prices stepping up as they read down through the goodies?  

Done.  Howzit look?

Pledge $1000:  
What if corporate trolls take advantage of this?

Excellent catch!   I added something to the reward.

Pledge $25,000:
Paul will come to your site and spend two days showing you how to be awesome.  

Kickstarter doesn't allow rewards to be more than $10,000.

The fuzziness thing might just by my eyeballs.

I think that if the images change size depending on the screen width, then there isn't anything we can do about that.   But if the image by itself (full width) looks fuzzy, then we need to sort that out.

Here is what I am thinking of sending out on the monthly-ish on tuesday:

subject: Earlybird dealio on the Better World Book Kickstarter

The book is done!  The new kickstarter begins!  And a long list of people are throwing in 31 bonus goodies (eBooks, presentations, movies, magazines, art and more) if you support the kickstarter early!   Even at just $1!

Shawn and I started work on this book 15 months ago!   It was originally going to be a collection of my previous writings, but it grew.  And shrunk.  And got polished over and over and over.  And Tracy added artwork.   And about 60 people reviewed the early copy and gave feedback.   In the end, it is a massive community effort.

It’s ready for the final editing, layout and printing.  And that’s the reason to do the kickstarter.

Check out our cool video, the table of contents, the amazing rewards, and, of course, the long list of bonus goodies you get if you support this right away!

xxx link goes here

For $1 you get:

- Permaculture Playing Cards eBook (4 gift codes)
- Care and Feeding of a Rocket Mass Heater (4 gift codes)
- Rocket Ovens Cooking Microdoc (4 gift codes)
- Hugelkultur Microdoc (4 gift codes)
- 21 Podcast Review of Sepp Holzer’s Permaculture
- Cool Public Thanks

And for that same $1 spent before Friday at 2, you also get:

- “Common Weeds and Wild Edibles of the World” full length movie by Sergei Boutenko
- Chapters 1-10 of “Green Prosperity: Quit Your Job, Live Your Dreams” by Thomas Elpel
- “Grow a Salad in Your City Apartment” eBook by Rosemary Hansen
- “Learning to Spin on a Drop Spindle” eBook by Raven Ranson
- 2 Chapters from “To Catch the Rain” + rainwater calculation chart by Lonny Grafman
- “Native Bee Guide” by Dave Hunter
- An hour long presentation by Tim Barker about ram pumps
- Chapters 1-4 from “Dairy Farming: The Beautiful Way” by Adam Klaus
- a two hour long presentation by Jacqueline Freeman about Farm and Animal relationships
- Paul's 4 hour presentation on animals in the landscape
- a two hour presentation on money and finance for permies by Jocelyn Campbell
- Movie about the 12 rocket mass heaters at Wheaton Labs.
- Hugelkultur chapter from “Edible Landscaping with a Permaculture Twist” from Michael Judd
- Uncle Mud's EZ Cob Rocket Stove from Chris McClellan (aka Uncle Mud)
- The Spring 2019 issue of Communities Magazine from ic.org
- Thermophilic Composting for the Garden or Homestead pdf from Alan Booker
- Everyday Artisans' Common Sense Approach to Bread Making
- Water Retention Landscapes slides from Zach Weiss
- Permaculture Applications for the Commercial Farm slides from Neil Bertrando
- "Six Quick Stove Tricks" from Ernie and Erica Wisner
- Wading Pool Aquaponics plans from AutoMicroFarm
- Collection of 14 Permaculture/Homesteading Cheat-Sheets, Worksheets, and Guides from Wild Homesteading
- Unofficial Companion Guide to the Rocket Oven DVD from Wild Homesteading
- Paul's Hugelkultur Q&A from the Eat Your Dirt Summit from Amanda Smith
- Module 1: "Dare to Dream" from the Garden Mastery Academy by Amanda Smith
- "The Chemerical Cookbook: Helping you detoxify your world" by Andrew Nisker of Take Action Films
- Intro & Chapter 1 of "Together Resilient: Building Community in the Age of Climate Disruption" by Ma'ikwe Ludwig
- Tree fractal art from Dave Burton
- Diego Footer's presentation on "15 Lessons Learned from Driving Headlong into a Permaculture Based Homestead" from the Eat Your Dirt Summit from Amanda Smith
- An Afternoon at Skeleton Falls video from Artful Productions
- Seed Saving video from the Basics of Plant Propagation Course from PermaEthos

xxx same link

What do you think?