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Thinking about buying red---worth it?

 
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I am thinking about changing my tool religion--from orange to red!

I don't take this lightly.  I bought Orange back in 2007 when building my deck and the brand has expanded and the tools served me well.

However, when I bought them, they were very good tools that were priced like they were bargains.  They are still good tools, but they are no longer priced like bargains. and their tool line is a bit meager by comparison to others.

Red, on the other hand, has a virtually endless variety of tools, especially Outdoor Power Equipment (OPE).  I don't see myself replacing every single orange tool with a red one--at least not yet--but I can see myself purchasing some of the more unique tools that are simply not available in orange.

One area that I certainly could appreciate is the rocket tower lighting systems.

Anyone else out there in Red?  Have any thoughts or ideas?

Anyone out there in Orange who has become frustrated like myself?




Thanks in advance

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What is orange? Dewalt? I would have thought yellow. WORX?

I assume red is Milwaukee. Is it an issue to use brand names on here?

I like Makita but I don't like the price!
 
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At the mill that I work at, we are an exclusively red tool building.

Red (specifically the FUEL line) is definitely industrial rated. Expensive compared to some other colors but incredibly reliable in my experience. The batteries last and can take a beating.

At home I'm a green guy, but I definitely endorse red.

 
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Hi Eric,

Over the years I have fallen in and out of love with various brands. Some have cheapened themselves …others have become overpriced.   So, I have found it best to remain flexible.  To answer your question, I find red to be quality.
 
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I started with Bosch then Ryobi then DeWalt but I have switched to Milwaukee; one reason was the m12 tools are lighter for the wife to use and less bulky, and in some cases the smaller size for me is helpful.  The m18 tools are more my size and the weight issue is not a problem for me. I still have a selection of DeWalt and some other tools like Dura-Spin that are not offered by either of the red or yellow.
 
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Oh, I hope this ends up being a thorough discussion. I've recently experienced a crisis of faith about my full yellow buy-in and am casting about for future options.

Also, this helped me decode some of the discussion: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=power+tool+lines+by+color&ia=images&iax=images
 
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I'm a bit lost. Could there be a translation for those of us who don't know the tool colors/brands well enough to follow the discussion. I'd like to know the pros and cons of each brand to inform my own purchasing. We always had John Deere (green) tractors growing up, and my dad used Sthil chainsaws (orange), and I see him with both DeWalt (yellow) and Milwaukie (red) tools.  

Blue = Kobalt (at least that makes sense. Cobalt is a blue pigment)
Blue= Bosc (it's a dark blue with red lettering)
Teal-ish Blue = Makita
Green = John Deere, right? They just make tractors and lawn mowers, so maybe this isn't right. Hitachi
Yellow/Green: Ryobi
Yellow = DeWalt?
Orange = Ridgid (Home Depots house brand)
Red = Milwaukie (they have stuff labeled FUEL)

EDIT: I'm going to try to update this when new info comes forward.



From this article:

Folks in the field commonly think their favorite tool brand beats everyone else, and they refer to it by color. For example:

Yellow = DeWalt
Red = Milwaukee
Teal = Makita
Orange = Ridgid
Blue = Bosch
However, things get a bit murkier when it comes to multiple tool manufacturers using similar colors. Take Red for instance. It really depends on what tools Pros use. Instead of Milwaukee, those using framing nailers or staplers might think about SENCO. For rotary hammers or demo hammers, Hilti comes to mind.

Having attended a number of manufacturers’ tool events, the product managers and marketing folks also refer to the competition by color.


 
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Wow!  Didn’t realize so many people were contemplating something similar.

I should have stated at the beginning. Orange is Ridgid, the house brand for Home Depot.

And yes, the M12 line is just so—handy.  It is light, easy to carry, good for overhead work.  I bought my oldest (computer geek) daughter a set of drill-driver.  Of course it was Milwaukee.

I have already purchased a pole saw and I bought a water pump.

At the very least I would like to get a drill (not hammer drill), impact/impulse driver,Circular saw and sawzall.

I will let you know how things go!!



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Back before B&D bought DeWalt I had a ton of their tools. By a ton I'm talking 20 12v drills, 6 saws etc. the list went on and on. Then I found a damaged truckload sale of "RED" tools and bought my fist drill from them then B&D bought DeWalt which no longer mattered to me. Once I used my first Milwaukee tool I never even considered going back.

BUT and this is a big BUT If there is a tool I need that's hundreds less and is NOT something  I'll be using regularly I'll buy and use about any brand. BUT if it's a tool I'm going to need to use regularly I'm buying RED.  

The DeWalt tools were a good buy for the bucks until they were bought out, after that the quality went down. It didn't tank but it took a hit and that was obvious.

So for occasional use about anything will suffice for tools seeing regular use quality counts and is CONSIDERABLY cheaper in the long run!

We all pay to play so get the best bang for your bucks and needs!!!
 
 
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Larry, that’s how I felt about Crsftsman.  I just loved my old Craftsman tools, but now I feel like they lost their soul.


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Anne,

It’s been about 20 years, but for a time, John Deere did put their name on a brand of power tools.  And of course they were Green
 
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I like both my red stuff and my neon green. The red has awesome batteries and allows me to use them all over our property, for longer times than my own body will go. The only neon green we have on batteries is a small chainsaw that doesn't hold power nearly as long as I would like, but the corded neon green stuff is great, where I can get a cord to go. Both have tolerated our many abuses far better than I would have expected.
 
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Do you regularly do projects with other folks? As for me, father in law, son in law & my neighbor luckily have the same style, so it was easy to pick colors for maximum interchangeability.  Around here the most popular is green. It's not the best but good for doing light fixes at neighbors houses.  Next most likely to find is yellow where folks use tools in a slightly harsher environment.  Red is for folks that don't care what neighbors have. I have both green & red.
 
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Now if we are talking lawn mowers Green Works 40 volt lawnmowers are great. Again, an item that was wife requested so she didn't have to fight a gas mower. We also have their pole saw and weed eater.
 
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Robert,

Separately I would like to buy into the Greenworks 80v line.  Specifically I am looking at the 18” saw, trimmer, maybe a blower.  I am not certain what else I would need from there.


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Eric Hanson wrote:Separately I would like to buy into the Greenworks 80v line.


I have two members of that line:
https://www.greenworkstools.com/products/80v-42-cordless-battery-crossovert-riding-lawn-mower-w-twelve-12-4-0ah-batteries-and-three-3-dual-port-turbo-chargers
https://www.greenworkstools.com/collections/80-volt/products/80v-20-cordless-battery-single-stage-snow-blower-w-4-0ah-battery-charger (for the deck)

They do what they're supposed to but are kind of no-frills. I'll get more things to go with the batteries as time passes.
 
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Christopher,

Ok, if you had to recommend a battery chainsaw platform, what would it be?  Since I am considering Milwaukee, might the Milwaukee saw do it?
 
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No idea!

I own a DeWalt battery chainsaw and it gets the job done. I wouldn't buy it again because of philosophical differences with the parent company, but it seems like a fine saw. And it's the only one I've used. I'd reflexively buy Greenworks today to be on the same battery platform as my other new tools and someone here (John, maybe?) especially likes them.
 
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Eric Hanson wrote:Christopher,

Ok, if you had to recommend a battery chainsaw platform, what would it be?  Since I am considering Milwaukee, might the Milwaukee saw do it?




If you already own 18V Milwaukee tools or plan to then that's the way to go since the batteries are interchangeable across almost all their large tools. Yes they still have some smaller stuff like my daughter's M12 tools that she works with everyday. They are perfect for the lighter work of installing security systems. Where they are not as good for framing or demolition. Right tool for the job ya know!
 
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I have switched to Milwaukee tools and for the most part it has been good.

Today: they kind of get you. It is not the tool itself, but the batteries and charger that adds up, so once you go with a brand, well you are kind of locked in unless you want to buy a new charger and battery for every tool you buy.

I have had ZERO issues with my 18 volt line of Milwaukee tools... except for my Cordless Framing Nailer. I am NOT a carpenter, nor do I use it often so when it started to no longer drive spikes fully into wood, I got frustrated. I took it back knowing it was not abuse or overuse. It took a few weeks to go from return to getting it back (about a month) but Milwaukee went good on it, replacing $165 worth of parts. It drove spikes again fully for awhile, but now it is at 75% fully driven to 25% not fully driven. With shorter nails (not 16 pennies) it drives them fine.

But the 18 volt Milwaukee tool I covet the most? Their cordless pop rivet gun. That to me seems so cool, but I almost never pop rivet things, but when I do I dream of holding that supple tool, hitting the trigger and watch the pop rivet hold things together. Yep, I'll just say it, I'd rather hold that then the wife! (Teasing)

 
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When I first got my Ridgid tools, it was 2007 and I was getting ready to build a deck off the back of out house.  We designed the house to have this specific deck and I deliberately did not want my contractor doing it so that I could say that it was my hands that build at least a part of my house.  At the time I had a decent collection of corded tools and a single, 13.2 volt Craftsman 3/8 drill.  I really loved that drill for its day, but I needed something to complement it--something in the 18v range.  Also, the quality of Craftsman had taken a nose dive (acquired in Christmas of 1996, I think this was Craftsman's peak).  By 2007. Craftsman barely still had cordless drills, to say nothing of the plethora of other tools that were becoming available on other platforms.  When I was in college (second time!) in the late 90s, all of the tradesmen carried around DeWalt 9.6v drills and they loved them.  I was a tad jealous, but I could afford nothing as I was in college.  My Craftsman 13.2v was a gift and seemed like a huge leap over all those DeWalts!

And the DeWalt line exploded, more and more tools coming to market that I never even considered eligible for cordless operation.  By 2007, I was going into a new brand and DeWalt was definitely a contender. But Ridgid seemed to fit the bill as well.  They had a 4-tool kit (hammer drill, 6.5 inch circular saw, recip saw and a flashlight--barely a tool) and this was essentially the same as DeWalt.   I got the Ridgid as it was about $20 cheaper and the lifetime service agreement covered batteries (and I put this to the test.

Over the next few years, I was convinced that I made a wise choice.  Ridgid kept coming out with new tools and improved version of old tools.  One aspect I liked (and apparently only me) was the light mounted in the chuck.  This meant that there was a cone of light that surrounded the screw, hole or whatever was needing the drill.  On most items, there is a harsh shadow exactly where you want to place the drill.  This feature has come an gone.  I have on and I really like it.  Ridgid seemed to peak with there Gen5X series which expanded the lineup and offered features otherwise only found on more expensive brands (hello Milwaukee).

Gen5X was followed by the Octane line which was universally panned.  They were not bad tools but it was hard to see what advantage they offered over the previous line,  Perhaps the greatest advantage was in the batteries.  These offered several "advantages."  For one, if a tool began to bog down, the tool could talk to the battery pack and tell it to add extra oomph to get through the difficult material.  It was pretty amazing to see a tool make a difficult cut without bogging one iota.  Secondly, the batteries could talk to your phone via Bluetooth.  This meant that you could track down a battery on a worksite if it "wandered" off.  And you could turn it off altogether if someone else decided to acquire it, making it useless.  It would still let you know where it was so it was easy to find if there was a police report.  Sounds nice, but the feature never caught on.  Thne no=bogging part did become a standard part of the high-end batteries but that was that.

And the tool line stopped expanding.  Every other tool line kept coming out with endless varieties of new tools.  DeWalt, Milwaukee and Ryobi (especially Ryobi)) never ceased to make some new tool that fit the 18v line.  Off-grid garage-door opener?  Ryobi has you covered!  By contrast, Ridgid not only stayed with the same old tools, their selection actually decreased.  They did hyper focus on an SDS drill--a sorta hybrid between a hammer drill and a jackhammer.  Why that particular tool I have no idea.  Just how many people were thinking "at last, Ridgid has the SDS hammer that I was waiting for!"  They are not cheap, require specialized bits--that are not cheap!  And most of their  work can be done with the hammer drill common to just about every platform.

And strangely, Ridgid offers virtually no tools in the Outdoor Power Equipment range (OPE).

For some time I have been eyeing Milwaukee and last winter, after a nasty ice storm I broke down and bought one--a 12' pole saw.  I had a Kobalt brand, but I smoked the motor (brushed).  The Milwaukee is brushless and got me into the Red platform.  That pole saw sliced and diced the whole rest of the tree into manageable pieces (the rest of my chainsaws were being stubborn).  I really like that tool.  I have since bought the water pump.

I would like to start out with a simple kit--a drill (NOT a hammer drill--adds weight and I never use it), a impact or impulse (even better) driver) a 6.5" circular saw and a recip saw.  I have all of these in Orange, but I would like to get brushless versions, especially the saws.  I would really like to have a recip saw that is brushless, has a light aiming at the exact point being cut, and has an orbital action.  Also, when I pick a Milwaukee, it just feels solid.  I can try to twist it but absolutely nothing creaks or groans.  It is solidly built.  Eventually I would like to get an impact wrench--for quick bolt changes, and a few other odds and ends.

All that said, there are a few things about my orange collection that I love and won't change.  First off is the mega-flashlight that my daughter calls the "blinder."  It puts out 2500 lumens (or so it says) and I have no plans to check it.  What I know it that it is extremely bright.  If I had to send emergency morse code to astronaut on their way to Mars, this might be the tool to send those light pulses!  I have a tire inflator that is very nice to have and a fan that is quiet (almost silent), moves a surprising amount of air and batteries last so long I forget that I have them in the fan in the first place.  A real problem I have is completely draining my batteries because I turn my fan to the lowest setting which still moves air and is nice and cool but is so quiet that if I need to go, I forget about that battery and it runs to zero!


One last note:  As has already been mentioned, it is the batteries (on any platform) that really get you.  Lately I have been buying 3rd party batteries from Amazon for a fraction the price of the name brand.  This summer I bought a two pack 18v, 7AH Ridgid batteries for $45-$50.  AT $25 per battery pack, this is far below even the smallest 2AH battery pack and well below the 6AH battery pack.  I once did the math and concluded that I was paying somewhere between 1/8-1/10 the price for the name brand.  Now I won't get the fancy circuitry that allows the battery to put out more oomph during bog-down, but so what.  These batteries are perfect for a flashlight, a fan, or almost any tool not being pushed to the limit.  I have one that is daily attached to a little 18v to USB connector so I can plug my phone in from wherever I like.  It ran for two years straight, being charged almost every day.  A Lithium Ion battery in good for about 500 charges but this went well over the 500 charges.  For anyone who wants to talk down these batteries, I will let my experiences speak for themselves.

So I know that this was a bit rambly, but I am at the point where I want my tool collection to be future proofed and for me, Red seems like the way to go.




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