paul wheaton wrote:Jocelyn has been thoroughly enjoying this topic. The graphic at the top has spelled things out for her very clearly. Suddenly, the wonky she has been feeling has been fully explained.
paul wheaton wrote:It has led to several discussions between the two of us. And I think the earliest discussions were with the idea that for the sake of the discussion, I would sport the "extrovert" label. And, when standing next to Jocelyn, I am certainly an extrovert.
when I look at the graphic that Jocelyn shared, I don't feel like the introvert or the extrovert. I don't like parties and I rarely go to bars and the like. When there is a gathering of people here at the lab, I tend to not go unless my presence is required. And, possibly the most important of all: in the last couple of months I have been feeling extremely burnt out.
In the TED talk thing, there was a suggestion that everybody has at least a little bit of introvert and a little bit of extrovert. Like a spectrum of ... "vert-i-tude". So nobody is just one or the other, but, rather, they tend to be more of one than the other. But I would like to suggest that personality is actually a thousand times more complicated than that. Some people might be made out of 80 pounds of introvert and 20 pounds of extrovert; others might be 20 pounds of introvert and 80 pounds of extrovert; others might be 10 pounds of introvert, 10 pounds of extrovert and 80 pounds of something else. The recipes and mixes are almost infinite.
I could be missing the point, but when attempting to my own self-analysis and when looking at the data presented, I suspect that .... contrary to Jocelyn's analysis .... that I am more of an introvert than an extrovert. But even more than that: I think that I am ten times more "something else" than introvert and extrovert combined.
C. Hunter wrote:oh my gosh, SO MUCH THIS.
Introverts for IC Unite!
My dream IC, I imagine a 40-80 acre property with perhaps 10 family units (probably catering more to singles/couples than families with kids, frankly, like most of my friends are - childless by choice artist types ) spread out nicely and a community studio/meeting space big enough to work on large projects in but not HAVE to interact on a daily basis- amenities that would be shared that could bring people together when they wanted, but not on a 'you are going to HAVE to be social and ON every day for more than just a workday length of time' way.
leila hamaya wrote:
its the whole obligation thing, all those unspoken expectations and ideas some people have, that really gets me.
voluntary interactions when people want to interact is very cool, feeling pressured to have to interact when you dont want to and would rather be having some precious alone time, kinda sucks, imo. voluntary participation is great, people should be able to be as they are and do what they want, for the most part. as long as what people want to do is cool, its what they really want, those kinds of wants are usually healthy, no matter how solitary or seeming "selfish" they might seem to someone else.
Joe DiMeglio wrote: There is definietely an unspoken (and often loudly, self-righteously spoken) expectation to be "up with the sun" early risers who gather for sunrise yoga, breakfast and then work. Well, I'm not down with that, so where do I fit in a community?
Will Holland wrote:I've yet to figure out how the community part of permaculture will fit into my life. Most days, i feel like i'd rather die than interact with other people- in person at least.
B.E. Ward wrote:Thanks for posting this, Jocelyn. One minor reason why I haven't gotten involved in more permaculture projects around here is that I don't do well with the happy-clappy sort of 'Social Permaculture'. It was hard enough working on projects at the p-patch and feeling like I needed to engage in conversation with people. I probably spent more energy on that than I did in physical labor!
Joe DiMeglio wrote:On top of being an introvert, I'm also a night owl, and always have been. There is definietely an unspoken (and often loudly, self-righteously spoken) expectation to be "up with the sun" early risers who gather for sunrise yoga, breakfast and then work. Well, I'm not down with that, so where do I fit in a community?
Some of my musings on tribal life in pre-civiized (read; pre-citified) life are that it was probably the introverted night owls who guarded the flocks and village at night, kept the fires burning, tended slow cooking food, probably developed astronomy/astrology, and thus planting/harvesting cycles and maybe dealt with colicky babies so their early rising parents could get some shut eye. They were the night shift. Introverts were the sheperds, taking the animals to grazing lands far from the main camp and happily being alone with them all day. They were probably some of the trail blazers and scouts, opening up new areas to hunt, gather and tend the wild in. They probably did well at developing things like weaving, pottery, medicine, music, language and other skill sets that required focus, concentration and patience with complex processes. - This is a trait that INFP's have in spades; we're patient with long, complex prosesses, but impatient and irritated by mundane, routine activities and rules that seem like a waste of time. ( I had lots of fun in the one-size-fits-none, cookie cutter school system you can bet!)
Julia Winter wrote:If you go up to the top of the volcano with a quilt and a thermos and a good book, could you sit on the swing up there?
Casie Becker wrote:Maybe an extra wide brim hat and some headphones could help you get outside. If they can't make eye contact and you can't hear them it will be harder to engage.
When you hear the term "introvert," you might imagine someone who's quiet and insular, who likes to spend most of their time alone, avoiding social situations.
But being an introvert isn't really anything to do with how much you like spending time with other people. In fact, introverts can have some of the deepest and most meaningful friendships.
The difference between introverts and extroverts is actually biological, and it comes down to how they unwind after social situations.
r ranson wrote:I found this interesting article about introverts
One is the right frontal insular cortex, the part of the brain that notices errors. Introverts notice all sorts of details, which makes them self-conscious about the mistakes they are making.
After the event, she added, a socially anxious person will rewind the whole thing in their mind on a loop with all the things they shouldn't have done, or feel bad about, ignoring all the good things. This leads them to want to avoid any future social interactions, because it feels so exhaustingly uncomfortable.