please help me create BB wiki pages, and other PEP pages

And the textiles one has been up for a couple weeks now too!

Im going to attemp to make a BB here so i can edit, then move when done.

HOW DO I SET TOOL CARE TO A LINK TO THE THREAD.

IS THIS HAND TOOLS ONLY? NO ROTATING ELECTRIC OR PEDAL DRIVEN STONES?

AM I CORRECT THAT THIS IS WATER ONLY?

AM I ASKING TOO MANY QUESTIONS? JUST DO IT AND PAUL OR DESIGNATED PERSON WILL EDIT IT?

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This is a badge bit (BB) that is part of the PEP curriculum.  Completing this BB is part of getting the sand badge @@@tool care@@@

Sharpen a dull knife using a whetstone. Sharpen both the primary edge and the secondary edge.

A whetstone uses water. This is different than an oil stone, which uses oil. Only whetstone (water) will meet the requirements.

Provide the following:

A pic of paper that has been test cut with the dull knife.
A pic of paper that has been test cut with the sharpened knife.
A pic of the knife on the whetstone at the approx angle used to sharpen it.

Shawn,

In that list of topics, if there was no link, does that mean that there isn't a wiki yet? For example animal husbandry was just simple text. Is the next step creating a wiki with badge ideas?

Thanks

I'd like to help out with the cooking section.

Is it possible to edit a wiki page created by someone else? (ala wikipedia)

Is there a documentation section for the Permies wiki sytsem?

Kolomona Myer wrote:I'd like to help out with the cooking section.

Awesome!!!

Is it possible to edit a wiki page created by someone else? (ala wikipedia)

Yes and no. Everyone can make a wiki, and edit their own wiki's. All staff can edit every wiki. We can also make wikis to be edited by everyone. So sometimes there's wiki's where it makes sense to make it editable by everyone (like the Badge Bits or a review page), and sometimes there's wikis where it makes sense to make them only editable by staff (like official wikis for events and places).

The default for wikis is for them to only be edited by staff. But, we can change that default if it makes sense, If there's a wiki you want to edit, you can PM me, and I can probably make it edited by everyone (if it makes sense to).

Is there a documentation section for the Permies wiki sytsem?

Maybe?? There's a forum that lists all the wikis https://permies.com/f/257/wiki. Is that what you're looking for?

Bryan C Aldeghi wrote:Shawn,

In that list of topics, if there was no link, does that mean that there isn't a wiki yet? For example animal husbandry was just simple text. Is the next step creating a wiki with badge ideas?

Thanks

Hi Bryan, that is correct. It means we have not put out something saying "this is the sand badge for this aspect." For nearly (maybe) all of the badges that do not have a link there, we have created a brainstorming thread in the pex/pep forum. If anyone wants to contribute to the brainstorming, those threads would be the place to do it!

Trying to help: I went over all the threads in Pep/pex and there is no brainstorming thread on Electricity (including solar) created. It's the ony one. I don't think I missed finding it.

Liv Smith wrote:Trying to help: I went over all the threads in Pep/pex and there is no brainstorming thread on Electricity (including solar) created. It's the ony one. I don't think I missed finding it.

Here you go:

https://permies.com/t/102634/PEP-badge-brainstorming-electricity-including

Ah, I did miss it! Thank you☺️

Just knocked out the Tool Care BBs.  Shawn, can you mark them as complete?  Paul, feel free to brutally edit/fix

If the sand badges are supposed to take 5 hours, I'm not sure Tool Care can be done in that time.  The Freecycle one alone requires 4 hours of volunteering and 1 hour of class time before beginning.  Maybe that's not considered part of the "work" though?  Even ignoring that, we'd expecting someone to build a bike, sharpen/restore 4 tools, clean the shop for at least an hour and make a handle.  All are great things, I'm just wondering if it can be done in the approximate time allotted.

I made some tiny tweaks.

When selecting the BBs for a badge, we focus on "experience time" rather than "calendar time".   There is lot of thought put into the amount of time it would take an expert vs. a really good student vs. a student that does a lot of dilly dally.

When thinking of the amount of time it takes to make some oatmeal, we don't include the time watching the pot until it boils.  Nor watching six youtube videos to learn how to do it correctly.  Nor practice runs that didn't work out.  

When thinking of the amount of time it takes to do the freecycles thing, we don't include getting there, visiting or classroom time.   The real experience time is in building the bicycle.  

There are also going to be people that have experience and just want to get the badge.   So we think about those people some too.  

We know that this is an imperfect system.  The important thing is that the list of BBs and quality level are the same for everybody.

I can start the plumbing one, at least to cover the basics.  But I don't know where to create the brainstorming thread.

Jerry Ward wrote:I can start the plumbing one, at least to cover the basics.  But I don't know where to create the brainstorming thread.

The thread for brainstorming plumbing is here:

https://permies.com/t/103064/brainstorming-plumbing-badges

Shawn, based on your list on the page above this one, the only two badges that are in need of BB pages are Community Living and Rocket Stoves.  Of those, I think Community Living might be done and Rockets are nearly there.  

Are other badge pages put together that we can work on?  I was assuming Paul (or you?) needed to put those together otherwise we might accidentally make it PEQ instead of PEP.

To kind of answer Jerry's question, it seems like plumbing is at the brainstorming stage now and/or is waiting to have the Sand, Straw, Wood, Iron badge levels officially defined before we can make BB pages for it.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Rocket is almost done on the sand level.

I gave another go at this wiki page. I think it is more of what it was meant to be: https://permies.com/wiki/106332/PEP-BB-rocket-sand-cooktop

Mike Jay wrote:Shawn, based on your list on the page above this one, the only two badges that are in need of BB pages are Community Living and Rocket Stoves.  Of those, I think Community Living might be done and Rockets are nearly there.  

Are other badge pages put together that we can work on?  I was assuming Paul (or you?) needed to put those together otherwise we might accidentally make it PEQ instead of PEP.

To kind of answer Jerry's question, it seems like plumbing is at the brainstorming stage now and/or is waiting to have the Sand, Straw, Wood, Iron badge levels officially defined before we can make BB pages for it.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think you are right on all fronts. As far as I know we have put up everything we have so far. The exciting thing is that there are SO many BB pages created! Right now the remainder of the aspects are in the brainstorming phase. So if someone wants to help out right now, that would be a good place to plug in. That, or start getting certified for BBs!

Once we put up more aspects I'll post in this thread so that you all know that there are new pages to create!

Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:

William Schlegel wrote:I am a little lost, this concept has me a bit intrigued but I need a link to a beginning point that explains PEP and BB acronyms.

Here is a link to a thread that explains PEP:

https://permies.com/t/96687/PEP-PEX

I think it would be good if you could make the PEP-PEX explaination thread permanent (sticky) at the top of the PEP forum.

James Sullivan wrote:

Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:

William Schlegel wrote:I am a little lost, this concept has me a bit intrigued but I need a link to a beginning point that explains PEP and BB acronyms.

Here is a link to a thread that explains PEP:

https://permies.com/t/96687/PEP-PEX

I think it would be good if you could make the PEP-PEX explaination thread permanent (sticky) at the top of the PEP forum.

We try really hard to stay away from making threads sticky. If you look at the top of the forum page there are some links always there and one is to that thread.

Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:
We try really hard to stay away from making threads sticky. If you look at the top of the forum page there are some links always there and one is to that thread.

Okay thank you, I'm primarily using the mobile version so it's not visible.

James Sullivan wrote:

Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:
We try really hard to stay away from making threads sticky. If you look at the top of the forum page there are some links always there and one is to that thread.

Okay thank you, I'm primarily using the mobile version so it's not visible.

Oh! That explains it! I almost never use the mobile version so I didn't consider that. Thanks for pointing this out.

We're actively working on improving our mobile version as we know it's rather...lacking. And, we keep discovering ways in which it is lacking. Here's a thread for suggestions on how to improve it https://permies.com/t/94061. We'd love your feedback!

The sand badge for animal care has now been posted:

https://permies.com/wiki/107858/PEP-Badge-Animal-Care

I have updated the previous list to reflect this.

The sand badge for the foraging aspect has now been posted!

https://permies.com/wiki/108155/PEP-Badge-Foraging

The sand badge for the homesteading aspect has now been posted:

https://permies.com/wiki/108328/PEP-Badge-Homesteading

The sand badge for the commerce badge has now been posted:

https://permies.com/wiki/108329/PEP-Badge-Commerce

The sand badge for the greywater and willow feeders aspect has been posted:

https://permies.com/wiki/108331/PEP-Badge-Greywater-Willow-Feeders

The sand badge for the Nest aspect has now been posted:

https://permies.com/wiki/108334/PEP-Badge-Nest

The sand badge for the metal working aspect has now been posted:

https://permies.com/wiki/108547/PEP-Badge-Metal-Working

The sand badge for the electricity aspect has now been posted:

https://permies.com/wiki/108548/PEP-Badge-Electricity

The sand badge for the plumbing aspect has now been posted:

https://permies.com/wiki/108550/PEP-Badge-Plumbing

The sand badge for the natural medicine aspect has now been posted:

https://permies.com/wiki/108662/PEP-Badge-Natural-Medicine





The sand badges for all 22 aspects have now been posted!!!

Congrats to all who have contributed. That is an amazing accomplishment!!

I think this is a REALLY GOOD IDEA! It's already prompted me to start a natural medicine journal and get more organised, plus I now want to make a spoon and a bird box - at least. So,  I'd like to help! Am I right in thinking that I can use what's already on a page as the example and go ahead and post a page about one of the other options on the list, along the same lines? or does it need sending to someone for checking out?
sorry if this is already covered somewhere else, I missed it. Bit busy at the moment!
regards
Lesley

You got it Lesley!  Just take an existing wiki page and copy the concept over to a new one.  Some things to try to do are:

Be sure to make it a "wiki that accepts comments" when you create it.  If it's a wiki, Paul or anyone can come along and massage it once you're done.  If it accepts comments then people can post their photos and get BB credit.  No matter how you do it, Paul can fix it up

Once you make one, go to the badge page and click Edit at the top.  Then go down to the item on the list you just created and change the text over to a link to your new wiki post.

Paul will hopefully see it and look it over and make adjustments.  That's the approval process.

If you're nervous about if you did it correctly, just do one and wait to see if Paul liked it or if he changes the whole thing.  Then learn from that and make another one.

Enjoy!

I am thinking that at this point, the general idea of how to go about this is quite clear.   So it is becoming more and more of a community thing rather than "a paul thing."   So I suspect that by the time I look at a BB page for the first time, seven other people have looked at it and either said "looks perfect" or offered some suggestions.   So by the time I get there it looks right as rain!

I just knocked out all but one of the Foraging BBs.  I don't know much/anything about seed balls/bombs so if someone else wants to do that one, we'll have that badge all done.

Jerry Ward wrote:I can start the plumbing one, at least to cover the basics.  But I don't know where to create the brainstorming thread.

There are a bunch in there to do BB pages for Jerry, if you want to have at it.  Feel free to try one or twenty!

Ok, finished the Foraging section off.  I just winged it on the seed ball one so feel free to revise as needed.

Just knocked out the Metal Working badge.  I have a note in the kindling cracker one about the requirement that the cracker be "bolted offset".  I'm not sure what that means, does anyone else?

Electrical is finished.  I added a couple of options on the DC solar system, hopefully that was ok (tiny home and RV/Camping systems).

Edit to add:  I only did a few items, Dave did most of it.