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And the textiles one has been up for a couple weeks now too!
 
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Im going to attemp to make a BB here so i can edit, then move when done.

HOW DO I SET TOOL CARE TO A LINK TO THE THREAD.

IS THIS HAND TOOLS ONLY? NO ROTATING ELECTRIC OR PEDAL DRIVEN STONES?

AM I CORRECT THAT THIS IS WATER ONLY?

AM I ASKING TOO MANY QUESTIONS? JUST DO IT AND PAUL OR DESIGNATED PERSON WILL EDIT IT?

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This is a badge bit (BB) that is part of the PEP curriculum.  Completing this BB is part of getting the sand badge @@@tool care@@@

Sharpen a dull knife using a whetstone. Sharpen both the primary edge and the secondary edge.

A whetstone uses water. This is different than an oil stone, which uses oil. Only whetstone (water) will meet the requirements.

Provide the following:

A pic of paper that has been test cut with the dull knife.
A pic of paper that has been test cut with the sharpened knife.
A pic of the knife on the whetstone at the approx angle used to sharpen it.

 
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Shawn,

In that list of topics, if there was no link, does that mean that there isn't a wiki yet? For example animal husbandry was just simple text. Is the next step creating a wiki with badge ideas?

Thanks
 
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I'd like to help out with the cooking section.

Is it possible to edit a wiki page created by someone else? (ala wikipedia)

Is there a documentation section for the Permies wiki sytsem?
 
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Kolomona Myer wrote:I'd like to help out with the cooking section.



Awesome!!!

Is it possible to edit a wiki page created by someone else? (ala wikipedia)



Yes and no. Everyone can make a wiki, and edit their own wiki's. All staff can edit every wiki. We can also make wikis to be edited by everyone. So sometimes there's wiki's where it makes sense to make it editable by everyone (like the Badge Bits or a review page), and sometimes there's wikis where it makes sense to make them only editable by staff (like official wikis for events and places).

The default for wikis is for them to only be edited by staff. But, we can change that default if it makes sense, If there's a wiki you want to edit, you can PM me, and I can probably make it edited by everyone (if it makes sense to).


Is there a documentation section for the Permies wiki sytsem?



Maybe?? There's a forum that lists all the wikis https://permies.com/f/257/wiki. Is that what you're looking for?
 
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Bryan C Aldeghi wrote:Shawn,

In that list of topics, if there was no link, does that mean that there isn't a wiki yet? For example animal husbandry was just simple text. Is the next step creating a wiki with badge ideas?

Thanks



Hi Bryan, that is correct. It means we have not put out something saying "this is the sand badge for this aspect." For nearly (maybe) all of the badges that do not have a link there, we have created a brainstorming thread in the pex/pep forum. If anyone wants to contribute to the brainstorming, those threads would be the place to do it!
 
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Trying to help: I went over all the threads in Pep/pex and there is no brainstorming thread on Electricity (including solar) created. It's the ony one. I don't think I missed finding it.
 
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Liv Smith wrote:Trying to help: I went over all the threads in Pep/pex and there is no brainstorming thread on Electricity (including solar) created. It's the ony one. I don't think I missed finding it.



Here you go:

https://permies.com/t/102634/PEP-badge-brainstorming-electricity-including
 
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Ah, I did miss it! Thank you☺️
 
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Just knocked out the Tool Care BBs.  Shawn, can you mark them as complete?  Paul, feel free to brutally edit/fix

If the sand badges are supposed to take 5 hours, I'm not sure Tool Care can be done in that time.  The Freecycle one alone requires 4 hours of volunteering and 1 hour of class time before beginning.  Maybe that's not considered part of the "work" though?  Even ignoring that, we'd expecting someone to build a bike, sharpen/restore 4 tools, clean the shop for at least an hour and make a handle.  All are great things, I'm just wondering if it can be done in the approximate time allotted.
 
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I made some tiny tweaks.

When selecting the BBs for a badge, we focus on "experience time" rather than "calendar time".   There is lot of thought put into the amount of time it would take an expert vs. a really good student vs. a student that does a lot of dilly dally.

When thinking of the amount of time it takes to make some oatmeal, we don't include the time watching the pot until it boils.  Nor watching six youtube videos to learn how to do it correctly.  Nor practice runs that didn't work out.  

When thinking of the amount of time it takes to do the freecycles thing, we don't include getting there, visiting or classroom time.   The real experience time is in building the bicycle.  

There are also going to be people that have experience and just want to get the badge.   So we think about those people some too.  

We know that this is an imperfect system.  The important thing is that the list of BBs and quality level are the same for everybody.

 
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I can start the plumbing one, at least to cover the basics.  But I don't know where to create the brainstorming thread.
 
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Jerry Ward wrote:I can start the plumbing one, at least to cover the basics.  But I don't know where to create the brainstorming thread.



The thread for brainstorming plumbing is here:

https://permies.com/t/103064/brainstorming-plumbing-badges
 
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Shawn, based on your list on the page above this one, the only two badges that are in need of BB pages are Community Living and Rocket Stoves.  Of those, I think Community Living might be done and Rockets are nearly there.  

Are other badge pages put together that we can work on?  I was assuming Paul (or you?) needed to put those together otherwise we might accidentally make it PEQ instead of PEP.

To kind of answer Jerry's question, it seems like plumbing is at the brainstorming stage now and/or is waiting to have the Sand, Straw, Wood, Iron badge levels officially defined before we can make BB pages for it.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Rocket is almost done on the sand level.

I gave another go at this wiki page. I think it is more of what it was meant to be: https://permies.com/wiki/106332/PEP-BB-rocket-sand-cooktop
 
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Mike Jay wrote:Shawn, based on your list on the page above this one, the only two badges that are in need of BB pages are Community Living and Rocket Stoves.  Of those, I think Community Living might be done and Rockets are nearly there.  

Are other badge pages put together that we can work on?  I was assuming Paul (or you?) needed to put those together otherwise we might accidentally make it PEQ instead of PEP.

To kind of answer Jerry's question, it seems like plumbing is at the brainstorming stage now and/or is waiting to have the Sand, Straw, Wood, Iron badge levels officially defined before we can make BB pages for it.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.



I think you are right on all fronts. As far as I know we have put up everything we have so far. The exciting thing is that there are SO many BB pages created! Right now the remainder of the aspects are in the brainstorming phase. So if someone wants to help out right now, that would be a good place to plug in. That, or start getting certified for BBs!

Once we put up more aspects I'll post in this thread so that you all know that there are new pages to create!
 
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Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:

William Schlegel wrote:I am a little lost, this concept has me a bit intrigued but I need a link to a beginning point that explains PEP and BB acronyms.



Here is a link to a thread that explains PEP:

https://permies.com/t/96687/PEP-PEX



I think it would be good if you could make the PEP-PEX explaination thread permanent (sticky) at the top of the PEP forum.
 
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James Sullivan wrote:

Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:

William Schlegel wrote:I am a little lost, this concept has me a bit intrigued but I need a link to a beginning point that explains PEP and BB acronyms.



Here is a link to a thread that explains PEP:

https://permies.com/t/96687/PEP-PEX



I think it would be good if you could make the PEP-PEX explaination thread permanent (sticky) at the top of the PEP forum.



We try really hard to stay away from making threads sticky. If you look at the top of the forum page there are some links always there and one is to that thread.
 
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Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:
We try really hard to stay away from making threads sticky. If you look at the top of the forum page there are some links always there and one is to that thread.


Okay thank you, I'm primarily using the mobile version so it's not visible.
 
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James Sullivan wrote:

Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:
We try really hard to stay away from making threads sticky. If you look at the top of the forum page there are some links always there and one is to that thread.


Okay thank you, I'm primarily using the mobile version so it's not visible.



Oh! That explains it! I almost never use the mobile version so I didn't consider that. Thanks for pointing this out.
 
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We're actively working on improving our mobile version as we know it's rather...lacking. And, we keep discovering ways in which it is lacking. Here's a thread for suggestions on how to improve it https://permies.com/t/94061. We'd love your feedback!
 
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