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List of Bryant RedHawk's Epic Soil Series Threads We love visitors, that's why we live in a secluded cabin deep in the woods. "Buzzard's Roost (Asnikiye Heca) Farm." Promoting permaculture to save our planet.
"Study books and observe nature; if they do not agree, throw away the books." ~ William A. Albrecht
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Sometimes the answer is nothing
Jocelyn Campbell wrote:Bryant, I think I recall reading or watching a little documentary how that commercial with the indigenous man shedding a tear over litter, was big industry's (was it soda pop manufacturers?) way of shifting the blame for refusing to allow bottle deposits and finding ways to encourage recycling to blaming consumers for littering. It was an interesting commentary, really. I don't know a lot more about it than this vague recollection which probably has some of the details wrong. Though I was rather surprised because I was truly touched by that commercial myself.
“You meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it.”
~ Carl Jung
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Within ecological regions characterized by higher prevalence of infectious diseases, human cultures are characterized by greater collectivism. The size of this effect was substantial and remained significant even when controlling statistically for potential confounding variables.
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Greetings from Brambly Ridge
Ruth Meyers wrote: ....because I had busied myself picking up everyone else's party and fishing trash.
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A LOT of people just don't notice that they leave messes behind. Or they get distracted, forget, think something else is more important, don't know where it goes, whatever. And I think some folks think they are being super, super tidy, cleaning "all" the time, and being respectful when they are still leaving their
shitstuff in the way of others, on a daily basis.
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
Jocelyn Campbell wrote:
A LOT of people just don't notice that they leave messes behind. Or they get distracted, forget, think something else is more important, don't know where it goes, whatever. And I think some folks think they are being super, super tidy, cleaning "all" the time, and being respectful when they are still leaving theirshitstuff in the way of others, on a daily basis.
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Jocelyn Campbell wrote:And, really, my efforts in this space have failed
List of Bryant RedHawk's Epic Soil Series Threads We love visitors, that's why we live in a secluded cabin deep in the woods. "Buzzard's Roost (Asnikiye Heca) Farm." Promoting permaculture to save our planet.
The wishbone never could replace the backbone.
Jocelyn Campbell wrote:
I'd love some commiseration on this at the very least, or more ideas on how to inspire more conscientious behavior if you have them. We have signs, we have this thread, and...I am at a loss.
List of Bryant RedHawk's Epic Soil Series Threads We love visitors, that's why we live in a secluded cabin deep in the woods. "Buzzard's Roost (Asnikiye Heca) Farm." Promoting permaculture to save our planet.
Gardens in my mind never need water https://permies.com/t/75353/permaculture-projects/Gardens-Mind
Castles in the air never have a wet basement https://permies.com/t/75355/permaculture-projects/Maison-du-Bricolage-house
Well made buildings are fractal -- equally intelligent design at every level of detail.
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William Bronson wrote:
Maybe a mess hall could be the answer?
Build it separate from the living quarters, hire a kitchen manager, and assign the boots rotating kitchen duties.
Solid roof, fabric/screen walls, rockets stoves and ovens, minimal electricity, and simple plumbing.
Then, rather than you retreating to a makeshift arrangement in your quarters, you could reclaim the kitchen you designed and built.
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Dan Boone wrote:The dudes who live in it aren't judged the same way as the women who share the space. It's not that it takes magic boobies to see the dust bunnies under the dinner table that I don't care about because they don't bite. It's because they do bite the woman who lives here with me ... they make her unhappy because there are social consequences to having them there that fall on her disproportionately. People may think worse of her than they do of me, and for social reasons not easy for her to ignore, she may care -- she may have to care -- a lot more about what people think.
Catherine Windrose wrote:Your home is your sanctuary. Same as anyone's home is their sanctuary. Same as we don't allow just anyone to take up residence in our heart, why should we in our home? Perhaps some individuals have not learned to value their heart and home, and are therefore oblivious to the value others place on theirs?
I try to put blinders on when I walk through the areas that are gradually getting more and more cluttered, and less organized (so much so that cupboard doors no longer close all the way), but it's still stressful for me to be here. That's not healthy for me. It's like putting someone in a room with constant fingernails on the chalkboard sounds, or a crying baby, or some other kind of continual stress that grates on the nerves. I'm just wired to be sensitive to these kinds of details, and despite trying for six years to be more chill about the detritus left behind by well-meaning helpers, I can't. It still bugs me.
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
Jocelyn Campbell wrote:
William Bronson wrote:
Maybe a mess hall could be the answer?
Build it separate from the living quarters, hire a kitchen manager, and assign the boots rotating kitchen duties.
Solid roof, fabric/screen walls, rockets stoves and ovens, minimal electricity, and simple plumbing.
Then, rather than you retreating to a makeshift arrangement in your quarters, you could reclaim the kitchen you designed and built.
This has been suggested many times over the six years. We have built the framework of an outdoor kitchen, though it's not a complete kitchen yet, and it's really only usable in summer months.
Building an entire second kitchen would be tens of thousands of dollars. We just don't have that in the budget right now.
Maybe some day...
I'm glad you understand my desire to retreat! Maybe you'll get your own basement retreat someday, too.
The wishbone never could replace the backbone.
Once you make a decision, the universe conspires to make it happen. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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We live on Blue Planet that circles a ball of fire. Our Planet is circled by a Golden Moon that moves its oceans. Now tell me that you don’t believe in miracles....Unknown
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