"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him... he ain't wrong, he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things that make you think he's right"
"The rule of no realm is mine. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, these are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail in my task if anything that passes through this night can still grow fairer or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I too am a steward. Did you not know?" Gandolf
"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him... he ain't wrong, he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things that make you think he's right"
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"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him... he ain't wrong, he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things that make you think he's right"
Wj Carroll wrote:Don't get me wrong y'all, I'm down but not out. I know many, many people have things much worse. I'm really very fortunate and blessed... I go to church and I have been very active in charities, NGOs and ministries. I have a roof over my head and a little money in my pocket. I'm working a contract job in a temporary place... have been moving around and displaced, doing this bit for quite a while - no connections to the community and no friends. It just gets lonely.... nights, weekends, holidays.... But, it doesn't matter.... even if I had a wife, she could be a shrew and I'd be worse off! ;-p I really shouldn't have even posted this. It is what it is. Anyway, I just remembered this great old show, that is very much along these lines and always pleasurable. https://youtu.be/y76ucVyTekE
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"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him... he ain't wrong, he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things that make you think he's right"
"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him... he ain't wrong, he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things that make you think he's right"
The wishbone never could replace the backbone.
Sonja Draven wrote:Yes, being with the wrong person for the holidays is worse than being alone but that doesn't mean being alone is easy.
And I empathize on the big family thing. I have a large family of origin and SO many good memories around it. It is easy to get maudlin thinking about how it was as a kid or even a couple years ago when my mom was alive and we would have so much fun baking and quilting together.
I actually still love this time of year and Christmas specifically even though I'm agnostic. Carols, tree, lights, giving gifts, food, etc. Lots of great traditions. But now most of my family lives far away so spending it with them isn't an option. My solution is throwing myself into all the things I love about it (see above) in the days leading up to it and then on the day of, I pretend it is like any other day (when I don't have to go to work) and work outside on my various projects or watch Netflix or read a book, sleep in, make yummy (but not "Christmas" food - I make those on the other days) etc.
Maybe next year will find me with a sweetie or with family but if not, this plan works for me. If you were in the PNW I would suggest we get together for dinner and invite anyone else from here who wants to come. Could be fun. :) Hope yours is better than you currently expect.
Trace Oswald wrote:Soup kitchens are good. Another one we have here is once a week, some group or other makes a free meal for the homeless or whoever wants to eat. It's held at the American legion. No matter what group it is, they can always use help.
Marco Banks wrote:Hang in there WJ.
The holidays are hard for a lot of people. Everywhere you turn (TV in particular) there are reminders that this is supposed to be the season of family and warm interpersonal moments, only to find yourself sitting in a quiet house where you can hear your own thoughts rattling around in your head. If you are at all lonely, that seems to be amplified by a factor of 10 at Christmas. Years ago I worked in Africa, and i remember my first Christmas away from home. all by myself in a house while nobody seemed to give a rip that I was far, far from home. That was horrible.
Add to this that many people suffer from seasonal affect disorder. The short days and long dark evenings, the cloudy cold weather, feeling cooped up (particularly with a bum knee like you've not got) . . . it all becomes a perfectly depressing cocktail.
You are wise to lay off the alcohol. It's a depressant. You don't need that to feed the blahs and the blues. Move toward some sort of community. Join the choir at the local church, as you'll have a bunch of rehearsals coming up for Christmas eve service. That'll give you incentive to get out, wear a nice sweater, and exercise that leg a bit. And, you know, sing Christmas carols. If you're not a believer, that's OK. Tell them that you are just a seeker and ask if it's OK to be a part of their community while you check things out. Any good fellowship should invite you to join them.
Hang in there man.
Tereza Okava wrote:We attract the (mostly harmless) nutters, anywhere we go. Had to teach my kid to not make eye contact/always wear sunglasses, because there is definitely something that makes people want to come up to us and spill their life stories as soon as you look at them. Not sure what they think we can do about it.
"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him... he ain't wrong, he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things that make you think he's right"
William Allendorf wrote:
Marco Banks wrote:Hang in there WJ.
The holidays are hard for a lot of people. Everywhere you turn (TV in particular) there are reminders that this is supposed to be the season of family and warm interpersonal moments, only to find yourself sitting in a quiet house where you can hear your own thoughts rattling around in your head. If you are at all lonely, that seems to be amplified by a factor of 10 at Christmas. Years ago I worked in Africa, and i remember my first Christmas away from home. all by myself in a house while nobody seemed to give a rip that I was far, far from home. That was horrible.
Add to this that many people suffer from seasonal affect disorder. The short days and long dark evenings, the cloudy cold weather, feeling cooped up (particularly with a bum knee like you've not got) . . . it all becomes a perfectly depressing cocktail.
You are wise to lay off the alcohol. It's a depressant. You don't need that to feed the blahs and the blues. Move toward some sort of community. Join the choir at the local church, as you'll have a bunch of rehearsals coming up for Christmas eve service. That'll give you incentive to get out, wear a nice sweater, and exercise that leg a bit. And, you know, sing Christmas carols. If you're not a believer, that's OK. Tell them that you are just a seeker and ask if it's OK to be a part of their community while you check things out. Any good fellowship should invite you to join them.
Hang in there man.
A big +1 to that. I'm deeply troubled this time of year. I've got family, I'm pretty well-adjusted emotionally. My problem is that after the time change, I get horribly absent-minded. It took years to figure it out. The doc finally pegged it: Hypothyroidism.
I'm on a big dose of Levothyroxine every day, and it goes a long way to keeping me alert. Without it, I'd sleep all day and live in a half-awake daze when I wasn't asleep.
I saw a documentary about living in Antarctica a while back. I think it was on NETFLIX. THey've known for a century that folks that over-winter get weird. They call it Polar T3 Syndrome. That's kind of what I've got and maybe some folks here do to. Cold saps your thyroid hormones which your body uses to keep you warm. A deficit of thyroid hormones makes you all kinds of strange. For me, it's just really absent minded. Others fall into horrible depressions, or drink to excess, or all kinds of other stuff. I come back from Deer Camp every year cold and stiff and I spend the next month and a half trying to stay awake and be something other than a slug. My family puts up with me, but it turns me into the absolute worst humbug when it comes to Christmas and New Years. I start popping out of it around 15 January.
My advice to anyone who's having Holiday problems: go get your Thyroid checked-- simple blood test. If you're low on your T3 and T4 hormones, you may need medications. Lord knows that little pill in the morning has turned my life back around.
"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him... he ain't wrong, he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things that make you think he's right"
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Pearl Sutton wrote:I use 2,000 - 5,000 IU vitamin D3 a day to help the seasonal depression, and a lot of daylight spectrum lights in the house.
Sometimes the answer is nothing
Gardens in my mind never need water
Castles in the air never have a wet basement
Well made buildings are fractal -- equally intelligent design at every level of detail.
Bright sparks remind others that they too can dance
What I am looking for is looking for me too!
Wj Carroll wrote:...and the last hitchhiker I gave a lift to was actually on his way to kill someone.. he had a gun and was going to make me an accessory to murder... I spotted a bar, convinced him that he needed a drink to steady his nerves, went to the bathroom and called the cops!!!
If you fail to plan, you plan to fail. -B. Franklin
wayne fajkus wrote:My son died a week before Christmas several years ago. It was as simple as driving to work in the morning. Nothing expected. It changed the whole holiday season for us. When you look at that season as lasting 2 months you can conclude that 1/6 of all life lost on average will happen over those 2 months, then add in extra casualties from depression or new years eve driving, i suspect it to average out more than any other 2 month period. The holiday season becomes a yearly reminder of those losses.
I don't think people in general understand the amount of hurt that goes on this time of year. I didn't.
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Stacy Witscher wrote:I have always hated the holidays, as a child, it meant abuse. Now, with my grandson dying a few days ago, there will be no celebrations, nothing to be thankful for. We will be having his memorial service instead.
Gardens in my mind never need water
Castles in the air never have a wet basement
Well made buildings are fractal -- equally intelligent design at every level of detail.
Bright sparks remind others that they too can dance
What I am looking for is looking for me too!
thomas rubino wrote:Hi Ms Pearl;
With all the things going on in your life / health you still have the gumption to go out and volunteer!
Gardens in my mind never need water
Castles in the air never have a wet basement
Well made buildings are fractal -- equally intelligent design at every level of detail.
Bright sparks remind others that they too can dance
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"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him... he ain't wrong, he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things that make you think he's right"
Stacy Witscher wrote:I have always hated the holidays, as a child, it meant abuse. Now, with my grandson dying a few days ago, there will be no celebrations, nothing to be thankful for. We will be having his memorial service instead.
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Redhawk's excellent soil-building series
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Mandy Launchbury-Rainey wrote:I would just like hot water and a shower this year. I have given up hoping for a kitchen, to see my family or that my poor old dog will start behaving herself. Being clean and being able to wash up indoors are my two main ambitions now.
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