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It hangs from something, but does not snuff out candles.
 
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It's very pretty!
Is it used for something modern or old?
Knowing you go to the auctions, I'm guessing old, but might be wrong.
 
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It looks like it's made out of china or glass? If it was shiny plastic, I'd suggest it could be for the end of a pull chain on something like a hanging lamp or ceiling fan.
 
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It is likely over a century old. Most people today would likely have never seen one in use. I suspect this one might have been used in a store due to its size, but possibly in a house.
 
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I was thinking of bell, but there's no clapper or a place to attach one. However, if it were hung, it could be tapped to summon a store keeper if a tapper was provided. In a wealthy home, there could have been a simple code to get the attention of staff.
 
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It looks like milk glass to me. Doing a search for "fluted milk glass bell," I found an "Antique Milk Glass Smoke Bell for Hanging Oil Lamp." (https://www.ebay.com/itm/153606104371)
 
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That's an excellent idea, Jay, but it looks like S Philomena got it!

Smoke bells were used over the large center draft and duplex burner hanging lamps way back when. Any soot would condense on the glass rather than the ceiling, which is much easier to clean. These lamps also produced enough heat to fry a skillet of bacon, and being even a couple feet from the ceiling was a considerable fire hazard. The bell would diffuse the narrow beam of heat, much better than one would imagine. Here's another interesting use of one on a wall fixture. It was made for train cars, and I presume the cramped conditions would likely have necessitated the ceiling being uncomfortably close to the lamps.
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Jordan: That is really useful information to know! I have oil lamps etc, have never had them up high enough I guess to heat the ceiling. I'll have to watch them.
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I was at a thrift store yesterday and saw something I can't ID. Failed to take a picture of it :(

It was in with the knitting needles (although other stuff had fallen in with them too, that was definitely not for knitting, so that might be totally irrelevant.)

It was a U-shaped piece of heavy wire, about as thick as the thin knitting needles, with a piece of wooden dowel drilled so it slid up and down on the legs of the U-shaped wire. Total length about 12-14 inches, total width about 3 inches.

If it's a knitting thing, it looks to me like some kind of sock form, but I don't see anything online that looks like that.

Anyone know what it is?
 
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OK - kid's toy - but I'm quite sure ginormous industrial versions of this still exist in the world, although they'd likely have more complex options and be made of mostly metal!






My "big" sister (70 years young) picked if up from the local thrift shop, curious if it would be useful for something. I have made it work, so I can confirm it  really performs as advertised.
 
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I have no idea -- but it almost looks like some kind of complicated catapult -- for something small like beads or seeds!
 
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Jay Angler wrote:OK - kid's toy - but I'm quite sure ginormous industrial versions of this still exist in the world, although they'd likely have more complex options and be made of mostly metal!

My "big" sister (70 years young) picked if up from the local thrift shop, curious if it would be useful for something. I have made it work, so I can confirm it  really performs as advertised.



Looks like a kid size knitting machine of some sort.

Something similar:



 
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Alas, it will not catapult anything, S, nor is it a knitting machine Anne, but you're a little warmer at least. This does use "string" - I don't know if  it would work with something more wool-like, but it would work with something akin to embroidery floss.
 
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Does it tie knots or bows?
 
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My first thought that it made yarn flowers, though it has those little things that look like cranks thus the knitting machine:



Okay, here it is because Mr Google is smart:

KumiKreator toy braiding machine

https://loopbraider.com/2019/02/14/toy-braiding-machine/





 
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That's the thing - and it does what it says. Personally, I'd rather teach the child to braid it themselves. If they have the patience and skills, to set up the machine, they likely have the ability to learn what is really only a step or two up to do the actual braiding. I know this because a friend of mine and daughter learned how at family cancer camp while her daughter was suffering the effects of chemo-brain.

The length of the braid is limited by the amount of material that will fit on the tiny spools, which is about 13 inches. That pretty much means bracelets only. I can't even do a soft necklace for my small neck.

What I need is the industrial sized version! Then I could use scraps to make plant ties, and temporary trellis ties for the garden.
 
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I'm with you, Jay, braiding isn't difficult, and if you want to make a bracelet to give to show you are a friend, a real one that you braided yourself is WAY more friendly.
Plus being able to do multiple types of braids is a VERY useful skill.

Awesome machine. What else can we do with it? That's gotta be abuse-able.... :D

Could put little dolls on the spool holders that dance an elaborate pattern... I haven't woken up enough for anything more clever.
 
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These two things came out of a dumpster, they were in a plastic package together, looking like they came with something, and were never used. The things they were with/strata they were in  I'd categorize as "Kitchen Junk Drawer." The trash pile was clean out and remodel debris from a very small motel type place.
They look like something I should recognize, but I'm going blank on them. Any idea what these are and what they were made for?  Small appliance maybe?






 
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They look like rotisserie skewers

 
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Ron McLeod wrote:They look like rotisserie skewers


Ah HA!! Thank you!!
Knew they looked familiar!:D
 
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I agree looks identical to my air fryer skewers.
 
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There are people who claim that is a tool for knitting gloves, used by the Romans and possibly used for much later.

There may be a permies thread on it... I'll go hunt a little.

Here's a youtube link in the meantime:

 
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Jay Angler wrote:There are people who claim that is a tool for knitting gloves, used by the Romans and possibly used for much later.

There may be a permies thread on it... I'll go hunt a little.


This? https://permies.com/t/235263/Knitting-Glove-Roman-Dodecahedron
 
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Tereza Okava wrote:This? https://permies.com/t/235263/Knitting-Glove-Roman-Dodecahedron

Yes, I was looking under textile tools instead of textile techniques... thanks so much.

I'm hoping my son can 3-D print me one. I'd really like a pair of open fingered wool gloves to wear under rubber gloves in really cold weather when I'm having to clean out water buckets for animals. I was given a pair, but whatever it was made out of, as fast as I mend it, it gets more holes!
 
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Fascinating discoveries so far: Gloves, jewelry, rope, string, cable....
Here's one more inspiring link:
 
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I thought it was a Roman version of Lego that parents would step on in the night while not wearing sandals.

Amy Gardener wrote:

 
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I saw this at a second hand store, was puzzled by it, but bought it because it has a 5 foot oak handle, brand new, nice tight grain to the wood, and was 2.50, which works for me, as I was looking at the handle.

I thought it was a mop. Doesn't seem to be.
When you lift the curved part that goes down the handle, it tightens up the crack between the metal loops, it doesn't loosen them to make it open up. It closes it tighter. The space between them is under a 1/4 inch gap to start with, and it's not easy to stuff things in there. Might be under 1/8.  Small gap.
If it were a mop it would open the jaws, is my guess. It's obviously not something I'm familiar with though, so I might be wrong. I can't get it to open wide enough to put anything in there.
Width across the top of the square loops about 6 inches.

I can think of things to use it for, including just remove it far the handle, but what did I buy? I have no clue...




 
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I think I have solved this for you.

It is a mop handle and clamp! - https://www.grainger.com/product/30LU88?gucid=N:N:PS:Paid:GGL:CSM-2295:4P7A1P:20501231&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItJLRucCwhAMVJW9HAR2AXADPEAQYBiABEgJJRPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
 
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Timothy: That looks like it, and that's what I thought too.
I'd say this ones dysfunctional then. It does not open and close. It closes, and closes harder.
Probably why it was cheap! That one you linked is 38.00!
 
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Pearl Sutton wrote:



In the position shown, can the bottom wire loop be lifted high enough to clear the handle, then shifted left to clear it again? I think that would let it push away from the user, opening the clamp. Insert mop head, return to shown position to lock. ?
 
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I'm thinking the part you're pulling on might be shaped that way for security, and your supposed to slip it off the side, to open it - think of a sideways flip-top bottle. Of course that me guessing, with no way to try it, lol.
 
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this intrigued me so I went looking, and now we have the video to demonstrate!

 
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Ouch. That hurt. Not by me. Not today. I'll try again with tools on a better day.
It's an interesting idea though!
 
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Ok, points for all of you. I had two people hold it still, and used a pry bar. It DOES work, but that's seriously stiff.
Definitely not as easy as his.
Points for all you clever people today!!

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I was out clearing my GAMCOD patch in the woods by the barn and hits some metal under the ground-litter. The ground is frozen so I had to improvise sort of a cold frame with an old window to heat things up under it enough to chisel and pry the bits out. But I’ve got them now and I’m wondering what they are. So maybe you guys know just by looking at it. I have a strong suspicion on the round piece, but nothing else.
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That looks to be the remains of a Lakeside Foundry Stove. Lakeside Foundry was out of Chicago. They had a bunch of different models of wood and coal burning stoves.


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Looks pretty similar? This would be a coal stove specifically.
 
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Timothy Norton wrote:That looks to be the remains of a Lakeside Foundry Stove. Lakeside Foundry was out of Chicago. They had a bunch of different models of wood and coal burning stoves.


Neat! I’d done enough research to find the company but hadn’t found a picture that matched so obviously!
 
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My immediate thought was along the lines of "something that burns something that gets hot", although with the extra holes I was thinking a cooking stove, or dual purpose. Did the website say anything about that?
 
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OK try this
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