PEPPERS in action

Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:Something else. I was very surprised to see I could approve a BB, when I visited the BB sew on a button. I liked it to be able to approve Nicole's BB. This was the only time I saw I could do that.

I was wondering if that was working and showing up for non-staff. Yay!!!

Since you have the Sand Textile badge, you're able to certify any Textile BBs that you've already done.  It's so cool to see that that bit of programming is completed! And, it's super cool to have my BB certified by you.  Yay!!

Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:Something else. I was very surprised to see I could approve a BB, when I visited the BB sew on a button. I liked it to be able to approve Nicole's BB. This was the only time I saw I could do that.

If you have been approved for the particular BB and for the badge it's associated with, then you're qualified to approve them.  Sounds like it's working!!!

Edit:  Nicole's faster at typing

Just finished this BB page:
https://permies.com/wiki/152205/pep-textiles/Simple-Drop-Spindle-textile-straw

Looks good! I added in a picture from one of the articles you linked to (I'm pretty sure Paul wants some sort of picture for each of these threads). I marked it as a BB thread. Would you be able to add it to the main Textile thread (if it isn't already)? Thanks!

Nicole Alderman wrote:Looks good!  Would you be able to add it to the main Textile thread (if it isn't already)? Thanks!

Thanks for the edit - I added the other photo so people see options.  
I'll update the textile thread and submit this bb.  

Now that I have my textile sand badge, how do I get permission to approve bb?  I did all seven so I could help out and approve all seven.  I "watched" the threads but did not know how (or have permission) to approve when I got notified a few days ago.

The only notification we currently get for an active BB that we can certify is the normal email alerting us to a new post in a thread we've previously posted to (or watched).

Some day I hope the developers come up with a button somewhere on our screens that we can click on to see all BB submissions that we're qualified to certify...

Yep, I usually just look for email notification of replies to BBs I've done. It'd be super handy to have a little notification thing at the top, like we have for PMs.

I am wondering would someone add making biochar to the bb list?
Thanks.

Mike Haasl wrote:The only notification we currently get for an active BB that we can certify is the normal email alerting us to a new post in a thread we've previously posted to (or watched).

Nicole Alderman wrote:Yep, I usually just look for email notification of replies to BBs I've done.

I get the notice that you are describing but don't see any way for me to certify.  Please describe or shoot (PM) me a screen shot so I can see what to look for.

Posted for review:
https://permies.com/wiki/152215/pep-textiles/Sew-Skirt-textile-straw-sew#1191287
This one has a requested edit in bold and I'm hoping you might have some ideas for the how to earn 3 instead of 2 points section.  I hope I worded it well so that it won't need changing if the points change.

I'll add it to the Textile Badge Page soon.

I'm not quite sure what it looks like for non-moderators, but it should be pretty obvious. Tomorrow I'll try to do the button jar, and make a big note on my  post to leave it for you to certify, so you can spot the interface.

Opalyn Rose wrote:Posted for review:
https://permies.com/wiki/152215/pep-textiles/Sew-Skirt-textile-straw-sew#1191287
This one has a requested edit in bold and I'm hoping you might have some ideas for the how to earn 3 instead of 2 points section.  I hope I worded it well so that it won't need changing if the points change.

I'll add it to the Textile Badge Page soon.

I've never made a skirt before, but I'd think something with pleats, embroidery, ruffles, pockets, lots of panels, and/or layers, etc would get 3 points. But I'm not sure exactly where the line is drawn...

Nicole Alderman wrote:I'm not quite sure what it looks like for non-moderators, but it should be pretty obvious. Tomorrow I'll try to do the button jar, and make a big note on my  post to leave it for you to certify, so you can spot the interface.

Cool,  I’ve earned the sand badge but not the straw badge so I don’t know if I can certify it but I’ve ‘watched the page’.

Inge hasn't earned the Straw badge, either, and she's not staff. And she was able to certify a Straw Level badge, so I'm thinking you should be able to too. This is all rather exciting!

Nicole Alderman wrote:I'm not quite sure what it looks like for non-moderators, but it should be pretty obvious. Tomorrow I'll try to do the button jar, and make a big note on my  post to leave it for you to certify, so you can spot the interface.

It looks very, very obvious indeed! I didn't know what it was when I saw it, it was like a message with buttons (small circles) to click on, which appeared at my screen before I saw the rest of the thread.

Nicole Alderman wrote:Inge hasn't earned the Straw badge, either, and she's not staff. And she was able to certify a Straw Level badge, so I'm thinking you should be able to too. This is all rather exciting!

You are right. I didn't earn the Straw Badge. I will never be able to get the Straw Badge ... because there is no manual for my sewing machine (a Husqvarna from the 1960s I bought second-hand)

I think I found what you're talking about: https://permies.com/wiki/148155/pep-textiles/Sewing-machine-maintenance-PEP-BB. I hadn't realized having a sewing machine was a requirement for the textile badge, or that you had to have a manual. I see you made the BB for the sewing machine maintenance, and I'm not seeing anyone adding in the requirement for the manual. I'll see what more I can find out!

Can we talk about this one? It's on the textiles straw badge required list.

invisible mending (mend a hole or tear) (pick one) (required)
  - reenforce woven fabric where it is thinning or starting to make a hole

I've tried to work on it several times, given up, and come back to it again later. Maybe I don't understand exactly what this technique is. I'm assuming we don't mean an iron-on product (which I mentally classify as a toxic gick). Is that correct? If so, that only leaves a sewn mend.

The closest thing I can find for that is in this video - Reinforce and Repair a Fitted Bed Sheet. BUT, it's not an invisible mend. Which begs the question, if something is that worn out, does an invisible mend matter?

Hopefully, someone has a better idea on this than I do, or perhaps it should be moved to the repairs list rather than invisible mending(?)

What say ye?!

Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:You are right. I didn't earn the Straw Badge. I will never be able to get the Straw Badge ... because there is no manual for my sewing machine (a Husqvarna from the 1960s I bought second-hand)

Do you have a friend or relative with a sewing machine and a manual?  Maybe that would be a quick way to knock it out...

Nicole Alderman wrote:I think I found what you're talking about: https://permies.com/wiki/148155/pep-textiles/Sewing-machine-maintenance-PEP-BB. I hadn't realized having a sewing machine was a requirement for the textile badge, or that you had to have a manual. I see you made the BB for the sewing machine maintenance, and I'm not seeing anyone adding in the requirement for the manual. I'll see what more I can find out!

Nicole, I made the thread for this BB myself. But the fact that this was required for the Straw BB, including the manual, was already there before. In a new post in the thread on the sewing machine maintenance Raven explained why the manual is important.

Mike Haasl wrote:

Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:You are right. I didn't earn the Straw Badge. I will never be able to get the Straw Badge ... because there is no manual for my sewing machine (a Husqvarna from the 1960s I bought second-hand)

Do you have a friend or relative with a sewing machine and a manual?  Maybe that would be a quick way to knock it out...

Do you mean I can have the BB for showing how I do the maintenance of someone else's sewing machine? Never thought of that ...

Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:Do you mean I can have the BB for showing how I do the maintenance of someone else's sewing machine? Never thought of that ...

Sure!  I think most of the PEP BBs could be done on someone else's property/equipment/animals.

Nicole Alderman wrote:I'm not quite sure what it looks like for non-moderators, but it should be pretty obvious. Tomorrow I'll try to do the button jar, and make a big note on my post to leave it for you to certify, so you can spot the interface.

Hi Nicole,
Thanks for doing the button bb.  I got the email notification and by the time I saw it and went to review/certify (within 20 min of notification), someone had already certified it.  

Nicole Alderman wrote:I've never made a skirt before, but I'd think something with pleats, embroidery, ruffles, pockets, lots of panels, and/or layers, etc would get 3 points. But I'm not sure exactly where the line is drawn...

Thanks for the ideas!  I've added them and updated the Textile page

Opalyn Rose wrote:

Nicole Alderman wrote:I'm not quite sure what it looks like for non-moderators, but it should be pretty obvious. Tomorrow I'll try to do the button jar, and make a big note on my post to leave it for you to certify, so you can spot the interface.

Hi Nicole,
Thanks for doing the button bb.  I got the email notification and by the time I saw it and went to review/certify (within 20 min of notification), someone had already certified it.  

I felt so bummed for you! I think the certifier was just happy to do so some nice moderating (rather than dealing with covid cider press forum messes) and didn't notice that I'd tried to mark it for you to certify. Hopefully we'll have a bunch more people doing BBs and you'll have more opportunities!

It looks like you'll be able to certify Gardening BBs, too. I wonder if I can 50 sqft of something to chop and drop....

I just undid Nicole's button jar approval so that Opalyn can give approving it a shot.  Go Opalyn!!!

https://permies.com/wiki/127759/pep-textiles/button-jar-PEP-BB-textile#1191624

Mike Haasl wrote:I just undid Nicole's button jar approval so that Opalyn can give approving it a shot.  Go Opalyn!!!

Thanks Mike and Nicole,  this is the first time the page looked like this so I guess I’m saying it works!
I’ve certified my first bb. :)

Requested Edit (for consistency and clarity) around which sand level bb require hand tools only (edit suggestions in bold):
https://permies.com/wiki/pep-badge-round-wood-woodworking
dry peg in green wood project (build one using hand tools only):

two coat hooks made from small trees and the hooks are the branches on these trees
  - no need for any joinery (hand tools only)

Does add one horizontal log to berm/hugelkultur scaffolding require hand tools only?  I don't see it in the requirements or photos but does say, "Be safe when using hand tools, work at your own risk, and enjoy building!"

Maybe sort or reorder the items so the hand tool bb are first then the others that don't require hand tools only.
Please edit so that all or none of the bb say "hand tools only"  

Good call Opalyn, I'm on it....

I think I got it fixed.  Changed all the titles to not specify hand tools, changed the titles on the badge page to not mention it and reordered the badge page into a hand tool list and a hand and power tool list.  If I could have done it better, lemme know!

I'd like to propose a few minor changes to the Textiles straw badge.

The first is in regard to these two:
 - Required > invisible mending > re-create knit fabric (possibly a sock) with knit-stitch darn
 - Repairs > invisible darn a knit sweater

As far as I know, the technique is the same for both, so I propose removing "invisible darn a knit sweater" from the repairs list.

Also, I propose moving "reenforce woven fabric where it is thinning or starting to make a hole" from the invisible mend list o the repairs list (unless someone knows how to do this invisibly!)

Mike Haasl wrote:I think I got it fixed.  Changed all the titles to not specify hand tools, changed the titles on the badge page to not mention it and reordered the badge page into a hand tool list and a hand and power tool list.  If I could have done it better, lemme know!

I like it!  The only potential confusion now is "how many do I have to do?"  Often when we have 'lists' they say how many to complete or how many points.  A statement that all 7 are required would solve that potential problem.  Alternatively you could say "hand tool list - complete 4" and "power/hand - complete three"

I love the greater clarity!

Leigh Tate wrote:
 - Required > invisible mending > re-create knit fabric (possibly a sock) with knit-stitch darn
 - Repairs > invisible darn a knit sweater

As far as I know, the technique is the same for both, so I propose removing "invisible darn a knit sweater" from the repairs list.

Thanks for bringing this up Leigh!
Another way to solve it is to give the required section points with a badge point requirement of 35 and say that if a person did more than one on the required invisible mending list it would count toward the repairs minimum.

Opalyn Rose wrote:Another way to solve it is to give the required section points with a badge point requirement of 35 and say that if a person did more than one on the required invisible mending list it would count toward the repairs minimum.

Opalyn, good point about the points. :) The invisible mending is part of the required list, so no points to worry about there. The repairs list is for points, but gosh, there are so many projects to choose from we should be okay there too.

Leigh Tate wrote:... Opalyn, good point about the points. :) The invisible mending is part of the required list, so no points to worry about there. The repairs list is for points, but gosh, there are so many projects to choose from we should be okay there too.

I was thinking about assigning points to the required bb and changing the badge requirements to 35 points instead of complete 7 required bb plus 31 points to increase consistency between aspects of PEP.

It seems that this is for Google love. Paul and Raven chatted and came to the conclusion that having BBs for all those different mends will help draw people to permies. And, hopefully we'll have really good instructions for each of those types of mends, so people can learn the best techniques. I'm excited to learn them!

That's why we have (or soon will have) what seems like a very similar list of repairs:

mend a hole in a coat (1 point)
fix a hole in a shirt/sleeve (0.5 points)
mend hole in pants or skirt (0.5 points)
mend a hole in a quilt (0.5 points)
mend a hole in a blanket (0.5 points)
mend a hole in a sweater (0.5 points)
mend/darn a hole in a sock (0.5 points)
mend a hole in a shoe or slipper (0.5 points)
mend a hole in a hat (0.5 points)
mend a hole in a mittens/gloves (0.5 points
take in a shirt to make it smaller (1 point)
take in trousers or a skirt to make it smaller (1 point)

And, a lot of these will be invisible darns, with darns meaning to re-create the knit stitch, which might be more complicated on a cable-knit sweater than a sock.

Anyway, long story short, the seeming repetitions for the repairs are intentional.

I can't wrap my head around the points right now. The kids are cranky and I can't think straight...

Nicole Alderman wrote:It seems that this is for Google love. Paul and Raven chatted and came to the conclusion that having BBs for all those different mends will help draw people to permies. And, hopefully we'll have really good instructions for each of those types of mends, so people can learn the best techniques. That's why we have (or soon will have) what seems like a very similar list of repairs:. . . . . Anyway, long story short, the seeming repetitions for the repairs are intentional.

Well, it's definitely an excellent list and working on the BBs has given me a peek into all kinds of interesting things that I now want to try too! And I agree that the variety of choices helps motivate people to work for the badge. What I'll do then, is find different articles and videos to post for the invisible knitting BBs, geared toward the various item listed in the BB. I'll also re-check the BBs I've already done and make sure they are item specific if that's what the BB calls for.

The only one I'm having trouble with on the invisible mend list is

- reenforce woven fabric where it is thinning or starting to make a hole

I'm not sure of the sewing technique behind this mend and no matter what search term I try come up blank. The only video I've found is for a sheet, but it's not what I think of as an invisible mend. Hopefully, someone else knows what to do!

 - reenforce woven fabric where it is thinning or starting to make a hole

This is actually super-easy to do.  Take a needle and matching yarn or thread.  follow the warp yarns up in the woven pattern.  Follow the weft yarns in the woven pattern.  

I don't think I have anything that needs doing right now to show you but here's one where I got a chemical splash that ate a hole and I used this technique with a bit of embroidery to cover the colour damage.  So it's slightly visible if you know where to look and would be an edge case to submit as a BB, but I don't think most people will be looking at my skirt that closely.

Took about 20 min. but I do this quite often because it's easier to repair something just before it breaks than after it has broken.

r ranson wrote:This is actually super-easy to do.  Take a needle and matching yarn or thread.  follow the warp yarns up in the woven pattern.  Follow the weft yarns in the woven pattern.  

Excellent! Thank you for clarifying. So it's actually a re-weaving with needle and thread. That helps. I'll see if I can pull together something that would be the beginning of a BB for it.