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Cassie Langstraat
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I didn't really know what forum to post this in so I just put it in this one. I came across this article about using cloth toilet paper and I wanted to know what you all thought. I had heard of cloth diapers, which isn't that different than this, but never of completely cloth toilet paper. I want to hear your thoughts!
 
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I think it's going to be baby steps in my household for a bit. I am only just coming to grips with the idea of a composting toilet (this thread has me super excited!). I am starting to formulate plans for being able to live nicely off grid, and quitting TP is something I've thought about. My biggest problem with this is that it really requires daily attention, and while I can get a lot of work done, anything that requires daily attention is going to end badly for me.

I may consider something like this many years down the road, but in the short term I'm going to have to live with the non-permie solution.
 
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Hahaha! ..........Sorry, that is my typical American response to the idea of a bidet. Makes sense though to use a towel just to dry the cleaned bum. Similar to after showering.



But seriously, this is a good read.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-talks-bidets/

Justin Thomas, editor of the website metaefficient.com, considers bidets to be “a key green technology” because they eliminate the use of toilet paper. According to his analysis, Americans use 36.5 billion rolls of toilet paper every year, representing the pulping of some 15 million trees.


With all that said, I guess a half nay.
 
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OMG that is the most hilarious thing! That seems like a pretty good alternative to toilet paper! Butt spray! Hahaha
 
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Cassie Langstraat wrote:OMG that is the most hilarious thing! That seems like a pretty good alternative to toilet paper! Butt spray! Hahaha


France invented the idea in the 1700's.
 
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I know a family of four here locally (Mesa - part of the metro Phoenix area) who uses only cloth toilet paper and has been doing so for years - no problemo.

Yeah - it takes awhile to get used to. However, having grown up in cultures where one uses water instead of paper (and paper was considered gross) it doesn't squick me out.
 
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Yeah I would be scared people visiting would be really freaked out by it but I suppose you could always have a roll of toilet paper handy.
 
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Yep - that's what they do.
 
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That Japanese thing seems better at least you don't need a life long nappies washing.
 
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Angelika Maier wrote:That Japanese thing seems better at least you don't need a life long nappies washing.


Here is my prejudice on that design.......its way too techy for me. I like pure mechanical systems due to reliability and independence from power needs. I cant see why there is not a design that runs on pressure in plumbing through mechanical levers. This thread inspired me to investigate this a little further, perhaps I may design a system myself, or at least conceptualize one for myself.
 
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Jennifer Wadsworth wrote:Yeah - it takes awhile to get used to. However, having grown up in cultures where one uses water instead of paper (and paper was considered gross) it doesn't squick me out.


Love that...couldn't agree more!

I am Permie saturated on most things...my family...not so much, nor most folks I meet in the "Western World." My "nanny" if you will (Mothers dear friends) had been old Korean woman, and Japanese Man...so they "potty trained" me the old Asian way...least to say...no sitting (only squatting)...no paper or cloth....only water/soap...has been the way of it my entire life...
 
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Amedean Messan wrote: Here is my prejudice on that design.......its way too techy for me. I like pure mechanical systems due to reliability and independence from power needs. I cant see why there is not a design that runs on pressure in plumbing through mechanical levers. This thread inspired me to investigate this a little further, perhaps I may design a system myself, or at least conceptualize one for myself.


I like mechanical systems too - and simple ones at that!

Amedean - I hope you DO design a system and then post it here for all of us to ooh and ahh over
 
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as someone who considers using flush-water in a porcelain toilet a true wasted resource, I took readily to composting toilets.

to take it a step further, and eliminate the "waste paper" used wasn't so very hard - re-usable cloths, personally hand washed daily? easy.

saves those precious pennies for the things that truly matter. . . like coffee, heh.
 
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Our family has used cloth wipes for nearly a decade. We have several types of fabric as some needs require different textures. Our most common is the wash cloth. I buy a bulk bundle of bathroom washclothes, cut them into four pieces each, hem them. There is a pile that is clothes cut into 8 pieces for those male needs. Why use more than you need?
These sit in stacks on a shelf next to the pot. Hanging on that rack is a spray bottle for each person in the family. It is that persons job to keep their bottle sanitized and full of water. The water is used to make wetwipes, should a person prefer or need a better cleaning than a dry cloth.

We all much prefer this system to toilet paper or store bought disposable wet wipes. We keep a paper roll handy for visitors as we don't want them using our wipes.

It does require some work. Dirty (manure!) wipes go into their own sealed bucket, using a foot pedal. Wets (piss!) go into another one.
These get washed often, usually every few days as I have a rotator washer that is small and takes actual boiling water (something electric washing machines don't use) for washing. They also get a poolshock treatment couple times a month (yeah, I know... the horror!).
I found the commercial washers are too big on the small load, but yours might work. I like boiling water to clean such matters, which household hot water heaters can't provide.
They do take some water. Four gallons for a full start to finish wash-dry routine. Extra one on the poolshock days. Might be able to do with less but for me I find this gives the best results, and given what is on the wipes, I want them CLEAN.

Right now we're traveling for the year so we're back to using 1ply in the RV. I actually miss the cloth wipes.
 
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IT DEPENDS!

If you are in a place where water is precious, I can see where using paper and composting it as better than washing. Leaves would be better, but if water is that scarce often so are big soft leaves.

But if you have water, it is so much nicer on the bum!

 
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I use the cloth wipes for a few months last winter. I fell back to TP when given a big case of it but will go back to cloth.
Have also tried the bidet method just a couple times. I have a small, hand-pumped agricultural sprayer tank that was never used for chemicals, with a kitchen sink rinse hose and nozzle adapted to it. I use this for watering the houseplants. It gives a nice gentle stream so seemed perfect to try out the bidet idea after filling with warm water. But when cooled to room temperature it felt a bit too cold down there for me, and after the next plant watering I didn't put it back. I wonder if a small squirt bottle would be good, the kind for mustard & ketchup in greasy spoon restaurants.

 
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I love the idea and am not bothered at all but I don't want to use the water to clean it and right now my washing machine water goes into my garden in an area I would not want that water to go. I have a switch though so I can send water to my septic tank if I choose to. I prefer to not use my septic tank since it is is in need of some work that I don't have the money to get done. I am seriously thinking that I will start growing mullien and then perhaps keep a basket of mullien leaves in my bathroom. I don't know how long they will last after harvesting though.

I love bidet's and even though they use water and I try not to use much water for things like that I would get a bidet someday if I had a larger bathroom. I have funny dreams about composting toilets and bidets, I am thinking maybe I will get a urine diverting toilet that uses the least amount water of any toilet I have found and then get a japanese toilet seat to use when I am having digestive problems...
 
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