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*Looks around the thread and sees shiny moderating hat sitting in the corner.**Dons the sparkly thing*

Please remember that this is the financial strategy forum, not the politics or ethics section of the cider press. The Cider Press is a special place for people with enough apples to very nicely discuss hot button issues like politics and ethics.

If you would like to discuss the politics of how our system works, please make a thread in the Politics forum.

If you want to discuss the ethics of the system or of debt/bankruptcy, please make a thread in the Ethics and Philosophy forum.

If you have helpful suggestions on how to get out of the system, please post here!

If you want to tell someone that they're idea is bad, please don't. Just talk nicely about how marvelous your own idea is--you don't have to bash their idea (or even mention it) to do that.

I honestly really don't want to go back through this thread and move out all the posts about ethics and philosophy. I'd much rather make a cow bumper sticker or write a dailyish :-D. So, um, could you all help me out by staying on the topic?

Thank you so much!

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Karen Donnachaidh wrote:E.Sedgwick, You originally posted this plea for advice nearly 3 years ago (Apr. 2013). Please give us an update.



It seems like people are dredging up old threads to make the place look more active. There can be no world domination with a dead forum.
 
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Nicole, thank you.

John, rather than a sinister move to make permies look more active, what if Karen was genuinely curious about what had happened? Personally I've posted to some older threads because....
...they looked like an interesting topic that I wanted to put my own two cents into
...the topic was suddenly pertinent to my own issues currently going on with my homestead
...I was just downright curious for an update
...after dinner and a long hard day I like to do a bit of reading. Reading old permies posts is just as satisfying as reading a magazine or light novel. Hitting that reply button comes naturally no mater how old the OP's post is.

And sometimes it's just my mood for enjoyment, like posting to the Women Peeing Outdoors. Heck, that threads been around for years and folks still occasionally get a kick out of posting something. And I have to admit, even its fun to read, I've learned a few new things there.
 
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Apprenticeship.

Go work with someone who is doing a trade you like, work for free if you have to, but learn the skills, then you will be job ready.


Get the book from your library "What color is your parachute".     It is excellent for helping choose a path for your life.


You have my prayers.


 
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Su Ba wrote:Personally I've posted to some older threads because....
...they looked like an interesting topic that I wanted to put my own two cents into
...the topic was suddenly pertinent to my own issues currently going on with my homestead
...I was just downright curious for an update
...after dinner and a long hard day I like to do a bit of reading. Reading old permies posts is just as satisfying as reading a magazine or light novel. Hitting that reply button comes naturally no mater how old the OP's post is.



Thanks for the encouragement to post in old threads, Su.

I read through lots of them because I haven't been here very long but have hesitated to add anything.

I love the 1970's "Mother Earth News" flavor of this place.



 
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Mart Hale wrote:Apprenticeship.

Go work with someone who is doing a trade you like, work for free if you have to, but learn the skills, then you will be job ready.



...or even business ready.


Get the book from your library "What color is your parachute".     It is excellent for helping choose a path for your life.


You have my prayers.




Excellent advice, Mart.
Instead of going down the well trodden government school/student loan highway... take the road less travelled. In my opinion, a person is better off maturing by gaining direct firsthand personal experience dealing with the real world... outside the entitled "safe room" of academia.

 
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Mart, great suggestion.

Ya know, Dale Hodgins posts a lot on permies.com about how to live frugally and not spend your hard earned cash. His lifestyle isn't for everybody, but he does have some great ideas and firsthand experience. 30 years ago I wouldn't have embraced his ideas, but now they look really sensible to me.

When I was young and newly married, we gave our money away to everyone........rent, phone, excess use of electricity, new fashionable clothes, stereo system and all the music, TV, movies, vacations, entertainment, restaurants, new cars, other material goods, and our last 9 years in the rat race -- a mortgage.  30 years and almost nothing to show for it. Just about every penny we had earned had gone to somebody else. I now can look back and think, how crazy is that?

We broke out of the system, but it wasn't fun n games. It was living without. It was creating our own free entertainment. It was living in a plywood shack (we would have lived in a junk schoolbus if we didn't happen to have a shack already on the property). It was DIY for everything. It was abandoning keeping-up-with-the-Joneses. It was repurposing and re-using stuff from the thrift shops and rummage sales. It was taking baby steps to learn how not to spend money. Spending money when you don't have extra to throw away is like slowly bleeding to death. You don't pay much attention to the little trickle until it's a crisis and too late.

Between Dale's comments and suggestions posted here, a person has a lot to think about.
 
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Same here (old fashioned life) if I cannot afford something I either save for it or do without, never owned a credit card in my life and because of this attitude I have a very poor credit rating which is just fine by me, I'll stick with my "make do and mend" life.
 
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