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I am not sure which is the best forum to put this.

I fully understand the 4R's. Three Rs: reduce, reuse and recycle. And the other 4thR: Rethink your every purchase in terms of zero-waste, considering how it will finally be disposed. Repair broken appliances, electronics and other items instead of tossing them into landfill trash. Repurpose or upcycle by transforming the old into new, usable objects.

I have a book written in the 1830 that says "Nothing should be thrown away so long as it is possible to make any use of it, however trifling that use may be."
I understand about composting and feeding leftovers to animals.  So food scraps and paper are not a problem.  We are not able to produce all our own food so cans and bottles are part of the problem.  Some cans can be used for planting things in.  Some jars can be reused to store leftovers.  But I don't have space to save them all and there is no recycling where I live.  Then we have feed sacks, that are made of plastic so what do we do with them?  I know some folks use them to put trash in but I don't want them attracting bugs in my house.  Occasionally something breaks and is thrown away. Occasionally there is a vinegar bottle to throw away or some such bottle.

Our pioneer ancestors knew how to do it.  They reused the flour and feed sacks that were made out of cloth.  They made bone broth out of their scrape bones then put the bones into the fire in their wood stoves.  Also back then their were people who made money collecting bones to sell for fertilizer. That book also says to sell bottles to the saloons to use for cider.

There is no trash service or recycling center, only the county dump which charges $20.00 for a large black trash bag of garbage and is too far away.  Also we have no charities or donation centers to donate unwanted items.
There must be other people in our same situation, so how do you handle this problem?  Especially the feed sacks ... I wish they sold feed in paper sacks.
 
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We drive to the dump or distant recycling centers every few years.  Because we run a couple businesses from home, we buy office equipment which regularly breaks (as do most appliances these days).  Some recycling centers and office supply stores will take these.   We use feed sacks to store trash until a dump run.  Our area actually does have trash service but it is more expensive than the dump for the amount of trash we produce.  Our dump only charges $2 per large bag of trash.

I think the only solution for us is to try to reduce purchased inputs such as feed.  Though it is extremely challenging to raise one's own feed for animals, I think it is possible, and a worthy goal if one wants animals.  So in this case the feed sack trash problem might only last a couple years as one builds a robust enough system to feed the animals.  It might require reducing the number of animals to a minimum - for instance I can probably only realistically grow enough food for a handful of laying hens at this time.  I'm still feeding mine seeds from the store though, after a failed attempt to feed them from homegrown food.

One of our home businesses produces a lot of plastic trash, which I hate, so I'm hoping we can drop that biz entirely in the next few years.

I hate that our present society is built on throwing stuff away. 

I think not knowing what to do with modern trash might be an argument against moving to remote areas, unless one can figure out how to live as an actual pioneer and almost never buy anything.  I don't see how to live a modern life, with its waste,  in a remote area without modern services. 
 
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My dad puts glass and a couple rocks in a concrete mixer for a while to round the sharp edges off and then uses it as gravel in the driveway.

Plastic feed bags get used as soft pots to grow trees and tomatoes to sell.  Or as weed mat around trees. But I still buy most of my feed in paper bags and they get used as garden mulch, as does any plain cardboard

Most paper either ends up as mulch or fire starter.

But we still have way too much that ends up at the landfill. Ours is free (built into our property taxes) so there isn't a huge financial incentive for us to change, just our conscious.

 
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RE: Poly Feed Bags

I'd find a place to store them and save up. You never know when you might decide you want to do some sort of earthbag construction.
 
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Thanks for all the replies.  Great comments especially about the cement mixer.  DH wants one ... a guy thing?  I can't justify getting one if we don't need one.

We have four food plots that we plant with oats, rye and millet but we don't get enough rain to keep it growing and don't really want to haul water to them.  We buy deer corn and deer protein.  It comes in pretty bags that I thought would make pretty shopping bags to sell but I just don't have the energy to sell.  We flatten them then roll into a bundle until time to dispose of them.

It took me about a year to get a system that works for me.  I read about zero waste, recycling, etc to try to figure it out.  I handle it like I was going to recyle.  Cans are rinsed before putting in the kitchen trash.  Glass jars are washed and dried in case they are needed.  Paper and cardboard are placed in the office trash. I am glad we don't generate a lot of trash but could never do zero waste.

 
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One thing you can do with the waste that you can't reuse/compost/etc, is to bag it (preferably in smaller bags) and put it in fast food restaurant or gas station trashcans. My husband does this to save on dump trips. He's even done it with kitchen trashcan-sized bags, but that's more awkward, as he has to take the lid of the trash can. But, smaller bags of trash can just be put in the trashcan the normal way, just like when people empty their car's trash while driving. Drive up, open up trash can, put in trash, drive off. It's totally not the most um, ethical way to go about it, but it does save money if you have none. And, putting it in the trashcans of fast food restaurants at least makes puts a dent in the profit of the places that are bad for people and the environment's health.

As for feed bags, I get my feed through Scratch and Peck Organic Feeds, and it comes in paper sacks. I love those things for smothering weeds and starting new garden beds!

And, I have to say, WOW, $20 for one bag of trash at the dump . That's insane! We pay $20 for a whole car full of trash!
 
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... WOW, $20 for one bag of trash at the dump

Yeah, insane.  But it is a double edged sword:
If it is too cheap, the city loses money on it...they should at least break even.
If it is too expensive, many people will just abandon it on the road, or wherever they can.
 
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I save the poly feed bags for future use. For a while, the feed supplier was get feed in bulk and I could bring the bags back to get refilled. Maybe talk to the supplier to see if that is possible.
Glass in the cement mixer..... Another option is putting it in a rock tumbler. The ones used to smooth rocks for jewelry and art work. smooth glass pieces have a lot of artistic uses.
 
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My husband and I live on a lot in a small city. Rather than putting out a garbage can weekly, which we consider wasteful both money and energy wise, we collect wrappers uncontaminated by foods in reusable garbage bags and store them in a shed. Glass bottles, cans etc. are saved for recycling, as are tree trimmings (mostly thorny) that we have no use for. These all go to the local landfill every 10 to 14 weeks, which incidentally happens to have a great view of valleys and mountains. We like that we can deposit metal items on the metal pile, wood trimming on the wood pile, and put recyclables in the shipping containers that are provided.

We currently pay $10 for a pickup truck load. In return, we can pick up a load of free mulch (we go back in after they've weighed us) since they chip up the wood trimmings people bring. Occasionally we find something to take home and extend its life (making sure the workers in their big equipment aren't watching as this practice is frowned upon - although all they're doing is burying the stuff). Items have included a wicker table, hardback chairs, a beautiful blanket that just needed washing, a giant white teddy bear in pristine condition, folding chairs that just needed a little repair etc... Another pastime is dumpster diving for lumber and windows, and gleaning fruit, which is abundant here some years.

Food scraps and some paper items are composted at home - we have no chickens as yet. Meat/fish scraps/containers are kept in a bag in the freezer and then periodically disposed of in the garbage can at our local store (most of these foodstuffs are purchased there to begin with) or during our landfill trip.

I do think about the ultimate end of containers and wrappings when we purchase items and try to minimize these. We use reusable shopping bags and reuse plastic bags and paper in multiple ways. However, we're definitely not anywhere near zero waste and are unlikely to be in the foreseeable future. I think it would be more doable if we were part of an intentional community where we could purchase and store items in bulk, and pool resources for things such as grinding/milling equipment, large storage bins, or a woodchipper, as well as have designated people expending their energy in certain areas instead of two people like us trying to do it all.
 
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We pay about twenty bucks for a weekly trash collection of a can about fifty gallons in size.  Our trash generation is less than that, so it's not really an issue for us.  However, we live in a poor rural area and the trash collection is optional, which means there's a hillbilly/redneck contingent that runs smelly burn barrels in their front yards and throws larger items in random places on their own property or along country roads.  On two occasions this summer after local power outages my dogs have brought back melted/fermented freezer contents that somebody must have dumped somewhere along the few hundred yards of our county road frontage.  Turns out my dogs really like fermented tilapia fillets!

Our local landfill is a WCA franchise and they charge by the pound for garbage taken to them; it's not expensive if you have a big enough load but there's about a forty dollar minimum which makes it impractical in most cases. 

The *traditional* approach around here is to save everything useful (including glass bottles and metal cans), burn everything that's burnable, compost and/or feed any food waste to chickens/hogs, and to maintain a small personal landfill for burn barrel ash and non-burnable trash that has no scrap metal value.  A responsible land owner will have a pit that gets buried as it fills up, people with a higher hillbilly factor just dump it all in a ravine or someplace out of site, and people who max out the hillbilly scale practice midnight dumping along county roads. 
 
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I forgot to say: I'm scared to use the woven poly bags that our dogfood comes in.  They'd make a great earthbag wall that I could use to reflect heat and sunshine to make a microclimate for tender subtropical trees, but when they start to degrade I'll have colorful plastic strings everywhere.  It's not something I want to deal with.
 
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I have thought that they may some day have a diagnosis for someone like me who has a hard time throwing things away.  It takes a lot of energy sorting, delivering, and storing for purpose. One generation goes through the depression, the next WW II rationing, Now, Gross Consumption overkill. And I was never going to be my mother! I think I can save the world if I just work harder at not filling landfills.
At the end of the day (literally) I often see my neighbor going out to his burn dump where he also buries old treated poles and probably worse. Arizona dont regulate their red necks!
Thank you all out there concerned enough to do your best and report in. It get's real lonely out here. 
 
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hey... the feedbags can be used for bag-gardening.
when you use them for earthbag-building, people say to plaster them asap. i think, this will prevent the degradation.

i saw a video where people in africa put old cans/tins into keyhole gardens (raised beds) to provide iron for the plants.

concerning glass (jars and bottles): just an idea... what about using them as habitat? like a pile of rocks. it would provide many spaces for small animals to live/breed in. but make sure to keep it covered, because sunlight can get concentrated and cause fire.
edit: ok, i read in another thread that glass jars left out in the rain will collect water and breed mosquitos. so maybe that s not the best option.
what about making a wall from bottles, jars and cob and place some kind of roof on it? some wasps or bees will like that. we had wasps filling holes in bricks with clay and nesting in them.
 
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Susan Quinlan wrote:I have thought that they may some day have a diagnosis for someone like me who has a hard time throwing things away.  It takes a lot of energy sorting, delivering, and storing for purpose. One generation goes through the depression, the next WW II rationing, Now, Gross Consumption overkill. And I was never going to be my mother! I think I can save the world if I just work harder at not filling landfills.
At the end of the day (literally) I often see my neighbor going out to his burn dump where he also buries old treated poles and probably worse. Arizona dont regulate their red necks!
Thank you all out there concerned enough to do your best and report in. It get's real lonely out here. 


"Today I'm going to try and change the world" - Johnny Reid.
It's more than lonely, if it were not for the internet I'd believe I was all alone in the world for sure.
One person can't save the world but do you know about the important job that needed to be done?
"There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.  Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.  Somebody got angry about that, because it was Everybody’s job.  Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it.  It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have."

As far as the Gross consumption overkill.... 2000 years ago it was a matter of personal survival to gather as much resources around you as you could. To insure the continuation of our species it was a good idea to have big families. then came improved health care and knowledge so survival went up. and the power of oil came along so gathering of resources was no longer necessary but oh so much easier to do! 200 years later and the only thing that changed it the human habits is the reduction in family size (which makes the gathering of resources less necessary). So now the stuff we gather.... you just have to wonder... "WHY?"

To save the world, all humans (aka. EVERYBODY) have to change their thinking to "Reduce, reuse, reclaim, repurpose, upcycle, and recycle"

Question: why is it frowned on to throw meat products in the compost?

 
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Wow! All great comments! Thanks, everyone for contributing ideas.
 
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Jotham Bessey wrote:Question: why is it frowned on to throw meat products in the compost?
Because it tends to attract undesirables [rats in particular] to your compost. It'll still break down quite well [especially in a roaring hot compost] but it's so much less hassle to toss meat scraps to a scavenger [such as poultry or pigs.]
 
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I process meat through a hot compost pile with no problem. I just put either horse manure or fresh grass clippings above and below the meat. In actually, what I'm processing is flyblown roadkill, something too far rotted to feed to the chickens. But I've also composted entire adult sheep in a big compost pile. It works fine as long as the pile is active and hot. No smell.
 
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Kyrt Ryder wrote:
Jotham Bessey wrote:Question: why is it frowned on to throw meat products in the compost?
Because it tends to attract undesirables [rats in particular] to your compost. It'll still break down quite well [especially in a roaring hot compost] but it's so much less hassle to toss meat scraps to a scavenger [such as poultry or pigs.]


I thought so. I don't have to worry about that cause if one more rodent shows up in this locale no one would notice anyway.
 
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I just saw a really cool video (
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Given the high costs of disposal you have being described,let me share a few things I have seen.

First there are the trash rocks by Thinkenstein:
http://www.gdiy.com/projects/trash-rocks-eliminate-unrecyclable-trash/index.php?lang=en

Thinkenstein lives in Puerto Rico , I believe, but wherever it is,trash and recycling service is not really an option.
He uses fishnets and cement to sequester trash and build structures.

The other solution that came to mind I first saw documented in a Picasa album, by Jon and Flip Anderson.It's not showing up on Picasa anymore(I think Picasa is defunct).
It was a project that involved using a rocket stove to melt plastic to a slump point and then press it into roof tiles.

The best documents I  could find were at this inactive Facebook profile.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666041593433421&id=106744602696459&set=a.666035063434074.1073741826.106744602696459&source=54

Evidently, if you control the heat carefully, the plastic melts without off gassing or burning.
 
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I had heard of knapping with glass but I am really afraid of broken glass causing more damage than good.

I had heard of melting plastic bottles, etc. into bricks so roofing tiles is along those lines.  I don't really have a need for bricks or roof tiles.

And the trash rocks is a great concept, too bad someone doesn't turn that into a business selling landscape rocks.  And the bricks and roof tiles.

I guess the cities that use a service that does recycling may make a dent in their trash output.  I heard some big cities are banning the plastic bags that businesses use.
 
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Anne Miller wrote:I had heard of melting plastic bottles, etc. into bricks so roofing tiles is along those lines.  I don't really have a need for bricks or roof tiles.


My instant reaction to this is "OMG, I could use an infinite supply of cinder-block-sized bricks to build garden edgings, raised beds, and tree protection structures."

Of course making them from plastics raises other issues to be considered, including fuel sources, process emissions, and product stability.  All of these have implications for zero-waste thinking, also possibly good solutions, so it's complicated.
 
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For garden edging one could fill plastic bottles with clay or any heavy soil, and use as is.
Could also use cement if you want rock hard consistency
 
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Jotham Bessey wrote:For garden edging one could fill plastic bottles with clay or any heavy soil, and use as is.


That wouldn't meet my specific needs, because thinner plastic containers tend to break down in the elements into hard-to-manage fragments that still have to be picked back up and put back into my waste stream.  After four years or so of container gardening I'm already managing a fairly heavy stream of degraded plastic fragments, though it's decreasing as I manage to acquire more durable containers -- I source metal or wooden containers, or very heavy-duty plastics, whenever the gods of scrounging and garage sales permit. 

Generalizing,  in my climate at least the out-of-doors re-use of consumer-grade plastic containers to remove them from the waste stream is a delaying tactic at best.  It's fine if you don't mind picking up and managing a ton of little plastic bits a few years down the line, but I'm about out of patience with doing that. 
 
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Elsewhere on this site someone posted about using baled tires as building blocks.
If you could bale plastic in the same way , it could be coated like a trash rock.
Actually, if the plastic trash is packed into the plastic feed bags, I think they could be coated with cement in a similar way as to the trash rocks.
Only good for non load bearing walls.
Ecologically it requires the use of cement,which has negative implications,but so do some if the other disposal methods.
Economically, you can get a lot if cement for the cost of disposing of one bag of trash.
 
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I have really enjoyed everyone's comments.    While ready other permies thread I found some solutions that might be beneficial to others that I thought I would share.  These are some neat ideas.

Recycled-Arts-Crafts

Recycled-Art-Post-Consumer-Arts

upcycled-glass-bottles

Melting-glass-bottles-stepping-stones

glass-bottles-jars-roofing
 
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Fiberglass insulation works by trapping thousands of dead air pockets, the fibers themselves have no insulation value. I am thinking one could shred plastic, put it in a bag and use it for insulation.
 
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You could,but it would be highly flamable.worse than paper,in my opinion.
Not sure if boric acid would be an adequate fire proofing compound.
 
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hmm.... what about melting plastic and dipping wooden poles into it? the part that goes into the ground/earth

or melting plastic, putting it into a mold to create bricks. these could be used to lift wooden structures above the ground to prevent them from moisture.

i ve repaired a plastic rainbarrel by soldering cracks with a low-power (10watts) soldering iron and using strips of same plastic. also i used it to secure a plastic funnel to my self-built urine-diverter for the toilet.

perhaps you could waterproof/repair roofs with plastic foils and a hot air gun.

you can use plastic as a hot-glue
 
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I think coating underground portions would create a place to hold water in the wood, however, coating tool handles would be a good idea!
Mixing melted plastic with sand might be a good way to make bricks.
 
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Something to note, the 1800's had a lot less issues with wasteful packaging and had no plastic trash.

Back in the day most homesteads had their own dump. Archeologists and historians in fact love to rummage through these to learn about the people of the eras.

My land is still new to me, but I am working on figuring out where I should locate a dump on it. With 40 acres I have plenty of space, but still don't have access to all parts easily. A dump should be easily to drive up to but still out of the way to not be an eye sore. You should try and set it up with some organization. Storing possibly useful items in one area while having true wastes stored in some sort of pit that can occasionally have a layer pushed over to cover it.

Biggest thing I would say is try and keep as much plastics off your property as possible. Plastics just hang around. Also watch out for heavy metals and chemicals getting into your water. But essentially the best thing you could do is figure out some sort of waste disposal on your own property. You still might need to remove some materials, like chemicals and plastics, but this would lower your trips to a public dump.
 
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An organized dump, AKA boneyard, will enable you to store everything that comes on your property long term. If it is organized, when you have a project you can look over your dump to see if there is anything there that you could use. Which is what I should do, I cleaned up this place cause it was left in the mess, but some of the things I got rid of I wish I hadn't, trouble was, it was constantly in the way.
 
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R Scott wrote:
But we still have way too much that ends up at the landfill. Ours is free (built into our property taxes) so there isn't a huge financial incentive for us to change, just our conscious.


I comfort myself about landfills, remembering that oil is being pumped up and used regardless, and putting it back in the ground as plastic is better than it being burned as fuel.
 
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On the feed bag issue - perhaps rather than bringing bags of feed back to your place, you could take a barrel with you to the feed store.  Dump the feed in and leave the bag there. Of course, the real problem is not how to dispose of the plastic bags, but that plastic bags are being made to begin with.  Once they're made, someone has to deal with eventual disposal.

When you go thinking about heating plastics, remember there are quite a number of varieties, with varying responses to being heated.  I'm not comfortable with melting plastic, in my experience if you heat plastic, it offgasses, so not a path I would take.

Regarding those old pioneers - while they made tremendous use of everything, they were not nearly as concerned about environmentally friendly trash disposal as we are today.  Probably part of where some of our modern problem attitudes come from.
 
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