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This is good, that you have trees growing there already gives some roots to the sandy soil.Amanda Layton wrote:Hello All,
We are have begun to augment our acreage in north easter Arizona. (Approx 40 acreas). We have really really deep sand. Its like a beach honestly, but much finer sand. Its river bottom, in an area where a river used to be many moons ago. Our acreage is up high in the hills with amazing views. Basically we are beginning to shape the property one acre at a time. We have pinion pine and lots and lots of juniper.
We have lots of cattle roaming in the area and we collect all of the manure as we can. Our plan so far is to add a very very thick layer of manure into the the sand by discing it in lightly. Then adding a great deal of straw that we put through the hopper part of our chipper. We then want to add lots more of organic matter as well, likely in the form of bulk compost soil bought by the truckload from a nearby place that makes it. To top that we want to bed down more straw and let it all just do its thing with daily watering. We also plan on adding wood chips super finely chipped since its a potential resource right on the property.
Thoughts on this plan? We don't want to add chems, but we need to get soil going instead of this sand that holds no water or nutrients because those things have no organic matter to be stored in.
We have sooooo much dry downed juniper wood all over the property as well that we will lilely do some hugelbeds as borders for pathways and along terraces.
Please share your thoughts.
---Roo
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Michael Sohocki wrote:naivete to look at a piece of land and figure that the trees would somehow "beat" the sand if I stare at it long enough. This year's carbon content looks a heck of a lot like last year's.
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This is great. Do you have a relationship with the cattle ranchers? If so, ask if you can pen and feed some of the cattle. Considering the expense you are putting into hauling in material, you might be well off to buy some hay, and tether some cows (or get a small set of electric fencing) so they can access only a very small area. Not only will the cows manure and urinate the small area, they will trample in and any organic matter that you laid into the area as well. Do this on a short rotation, and on the final day, add a lot of desired seed, which the cows also trample in. The land should look as if a stampede went through. This will create small anaerobic bacterial pockets in the hoof prints. These bacteria create slimes that hold water. Move the cows to another small area nearby and water the area heavily that they were just in, and continue to water any time the area looks like it's not got some dampness until you see sprouting and then continue until you see some good development and then move on to giving water every few days to a week so that the plant roots are chasing the water into the sand. Similar stuff can be done with pigs instead of cows. After you get some plants establishing themselves, get more seed in there to sprout up in the microclimate understory of the existing growth.We have lots of cattle roaming in the area and we collect all of the manure as we can.
If you are planning to disc any areas, I would think that it is best to concentrate on doing it in a small area, and only once with a lot of material before adding cattle or pigs to it to get that anaerobic surface water retention. If you have a tractor, and water, and a chipper I would think it much better to make compost with some of that manure and straw. The richness of the biology in compost made out of the straw and manure is much more than the sum of it's parts.Our plan so far is to add a very very thick layer of manure into the the sand by discing it in lightly. Then adding a great deal of straw that we put through the hopper part of our chipper.
If you are planing to garden intensively for vegetable production, consider burying the wood in trenches with a lot of the freshest manure you can gather and water mixed with it (I mean make it wet) instead of raised mounds which will dry out. Put the trenches deep enough that the hot sand on top of the trench can not dry your wood. Make the trench still apparent on the surface, so that it will take a good layer of mulch as you go. Mix the top layer of sand with organic material and plant a crop in (I'm taking a guess here), September or early October, of mixed hardy species that will serve as a nurse crop/ green manure/ mulch for your spring crop next year. Since you have water, and you have lots of woody material, you can keep the area damp by not only chipping, and laying that around your plants in the spring (I would also first mix these with manure (1:1) in wet layered deep piles to get the chips more biologically active), but also by laying whole trunks and branches on the ground around the plants, which will hold surface moisture and provide some shade and wind protection. Another thing that can be done is building ramada type shade structures, so that you limit the intensity of the sun on your ground, and build up woody material vertically in areas to deflect any wind that might be aiding evaporation.We have sooooo much dry downed juniper wood all over the property as well that we will lilely do some hugelbeds as borders for pathways and along terraces.
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Benefits of rainfall collection https://permies.com/t/88043/benefits-rainfall-collection
GOOD DEBT/ BAD DEBT https://permies.com/t/179218/mortgages-good-debt-bad-debt
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John Daley Bendigo, Australia The Enemy of progress is the hope of a perfect plan
Benefits of rainfall collection https://permies.com/t/88043/benefits-rainfall-collection
GOOD DEBT/ BAD DEBT https://permies.com/t/179218/mortgages-good-debt-bad-debt
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