I stopped being interested in prepping and survivalism. My life is much more rewarding now just being interested in permaculture.
pretty much all (or the vast majority) of the information that you are seeking can be searched and found on Permies. The goal of this site, the way I see it, is to disseminate this information over the largest % of the population, in the shortest time period. This will result in a much more resilient global society in general, which is what is needed in order to survive natural or political disasters.
And if you had the possibility to buy a new piece of land and build everything on it from scratch, how would you design it?
I realize this is a lot of info in one post/thread, but if you can point in the right direction of where to obtain some of this info, that would be great, too!
Terri Matthews wrote:some buckets of grain.
Tyler Ludens wrote:
Terri Matthews wrote:some buckets of grain.
I bought a bunch of dry beans and rice that we never ate. The beans got so old they wouldn't even sprout when I finally threw them into the garden. So my suggestion is to store food you actually eat and eat it regularly, rotating it to keep the supply as fresh as possible. Otherwise you might just waste a bunch of money like I did.
We never did like to eat dry beans.
Things I've done that have been invaluable;
- hunting large and small game alike - you learn so many skills and become aware of so much you never thought of before
- joining a random animal tracking group on facebook - i didn't even know I had a passion for it, but I can't turn off "tracker vision" anymore. I've become so aware of environments!
- plant some plants - food or flower, doesn't matter. Make a garden or just stick seeds in a pot. The result can be addicting! Don't try to plan the perfect garden or devise what you need to grow to feed the whole family. Grow what you ENJOY growing and nourish a love for it.
- make some crafts - engage the kids in picking pinecones and sticks and tree moss, make some fun projects, get hands-on with nature, get out on a scavenge hunt, put your hands on the environment you desire to thrive in and feel it!
- fishing - I don't know what to say about fishing, it's a passionate love of mine
- raise some small, simple livestock - rabbits are easy, chickens are great starter critters... pigeons, quail, turkeys, guinea, peafowl, goats, whatever you want! But start small. don't overwhelm yourself, and don't go into it trying to be self sufficient from the start. You need to build experience with the animals, memorize their needs, and start devising ways of providing those things efficiently.
- experiment. Do some crazy stuff. Some dumb stuff. Some fun stuff. camp under the stars, hike to nowhere without a trail, dig a hole, swim across the river, skip some rocks. have fun!
- get online and research random permie stuff. It's amazing what you pick up in passing that you remember later when applicable!
Tyler Ludens wrote:The only possible way to be totally self-sufficient, in my opinion, is to go full caveman, including a band (tribe) social group on a piece of land large enough to live by hunting and gathering.
I used to be a doomer and worry about these things, and it ruined my life. So I stopped being interested in prepping and survivalism. My life is much more rewarding now just being interested in permaculture.
my wife and I did all we could to become successfully self-sustaining. That’s worth part of the conversation (as it did last night, as we discussed and confronted the near-impossibilty of “self-sustainability” outside of a community
The single greatest survival skill set is… envelope please… The Dinner Party.
Creating community is the The Holy Grail, The Philosophers Stone, The Alchemists Gold. Easy to identify as the problem. Nearly impossible to produce. I’ve know survivalists that gave up on prepping because they understood the only way for people to survive the catastrophic changes about to happen was to be part of a rather large and complex group of diverse skills.
...to actively participate in Seedy Sat-Sundays is to share out working seed you have, to keep seed diversity happening in your region. If you completely lose a crop, hopefully someone in your region kept it alive. If some new disease comes in to kill off one species, hopefully some other variety can take up the slack. Actively giving is in your best interest.
While using a machine might be very handy at breaking the land in the first place, and getting right at the soil in the spring because all of that work is done can be handy, the use of hand tools solely is very doable. It all depends on method. Tilling is a method, and in my opinion, it is not necessary. The majority of farmers on the planet use hand tools, and generations over millennia of subsistence farmers have does so with no tractor, or rototiller, or any other engine driven gas guzzler. It's a matter of gaining the skills, techniques, methods, and specific tools, and what have you, and diligently observing what works and what doesn't. This is the way that the folks at Le ferme du Bec Hellouin manage to create a permaculture market garden. See the reference in my second post in this thread. Other references in that post, also prove that all of this can be done by hand. Other great reference books are "Crusoe of Lonesome Lake", and "Walden". It's not that it's going to be easy. It will be hard, but it can be done, and it will get easier and easier as time goes on, as your soil community (hey there's that word again), grows, and you get your above ground ecosystems rocking in synergistic systems of symbiosis. It's all about community, and it's all about skills, and it's about having a tenacious determination to ensure that food is on the table.
My wife and I were trying initially for “self-sustainability.” We also were trying to use hand tools as much as possible, since gas or diesel might become very hard to come by, right? And, being cityfolk, we had this crazy idea that if you planted a seed in soil, it’d grow, and then you’d eat it, like a big garden: how hard could that be?
Well, actually, it’s really fucking hard. The spring day a neighbor (the same Ben who cleared the snow) came by with his tractor and discs, and in an hour, turned more than a team of ten men using hand tools could do in a week, I realized that, well, hand tools are great, but machines are indispensable (if you want to grow more than a wee garden).
I started a thread about this in our Tinkering with this Site forum. It can be viewed: HERE.
It seems there ought to be a major section of Permies that is dedicated to addressing the realities of connecting deeply with other human beings (more so than there is now, and not merely for trading canned-goods)
I should have mentioned that where tractors are not available or common, or used, there is often critter power of this sort to till the land. Even at Le Ferme du Bec Hellouin they use a horse at present for some tasks, but are increasingly wanting to do everything by hand.
Oxen are cute, friendly, and adorable - not to mention dauntlessly loyal.
Would that I had an ox - if for nothing other than to have such a loyal and gentle friend (even if they are 132561 lbs of pure power!)
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