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Spencer Miles wrote:I feel compelled to remark upon the direction that the discussion has taken, as well as to point out a humorous, macabre irony.

Zombies - I prefer "zommies" 'cause it's more fun to say.

Community. Community, Community, COMMUNITY!!!

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Let it be known that community, nations, groups of people are more capable of creating crazy thoughts than a single man.

Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.  - Friedrich Nietzsche
 
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Nicole, Don't be put off by the bones.  They are a good source of calcium.  I just smash them with a fork and you never know they are there.  Sometimes there is also skin.  I don't really like that if there is a lot but mash it up also.

I got my recipe from a lady that I worked with years ago.  Take saltine crackers and crush, then add the contents of the can, juice and all.  You can also add a beaten raw egg. You want the patties to be stiff.  I never add anything else though what you added sounds good.  Then fry on both sides until golden.  I sometimes roll mine in flour before frying if they are not as stiff as I like.
 
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I am hearing alot of people saying that to survive the ZA, it would be best if to find or create a community of self-sufficient people if we want to survive. So that we have some equal partners to support us and trade with us, Because if I am the only person out of 30,000 people that have food/water/light at night, I will surely be over run no matter how much bullets and food that I have.

But if we are in a community where everyone have their own water/food/etc, things will be better, and then I or my neighbor want some variety to spice up life, then I might trade my delicious almond nuts for some corn that didn't do too well for me this season.


So my list is now.
Knowledge (permies.com, books, etc)
Experience (start living a self-sufficient lifestyle now, with a bit of regular centralized stuff from time to time)
Security (hide away in my private hidden underground bunker, with mines, traps, guns, etc ready to kill intruders)
Community (join/create a group of like minded people who are also self-sufficient that I can trade with for variety)
Monopoly (and lastly offer a service/good that is in high demand, healthcare is a good one...emotional/mental/spiritual=drugs/counseling and physical/medical=surgery skills or herbal medicine or bio-mechanical counselling/service)
 
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Someone up there seems to think that there is nothing morally wrong with murder in order to get food if you are starving...thought I might address that a little bit.  

There are times when it is morally right to kill another human being:  if you are fighting in a war, you have to kill your enemies or they will kill you (this generally only pertains to soldiers but under some circumstances civilians can get caught up in the fighting).  And if you or yours are being attacked, you have a moral obligation -- not just a right, but an obligation -- to protect them with all force necessary to neutralize the threat.  

Other than those particular situations, it is *never* morally correct to commit murder.  If you failed to be prepared or to develop skills, or to overcome laziness, and you failed to make sure that you could feed yourself and your family/tribe, that is on you.  The fellow who did prepare or develop skills, and who has a good work ethic, has no moral obligation to die in order for his provisions to feed you.  He does have a moral obligation to be armed so he can fight off the parasites who have that mind set.

There, that's my two cents on that subject!

Kathleen

 
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Kathleen Sanderson wrote:Someone up there seems to think that there is nothing morally wrong with murder in order to get food if you are starving...thought I might address that a little bit.  

There are times when it is morally right to kill another human being:  if you are fighting in a war, you have to kill your enemies or they will kill you (this generally only pertains to soldiers but under some circumstances civilians can get caught up in the fighting).  And if you or yours are being attacked, you have a moral obligation -- not just a right, but an obligation -- to protect them with all force necessary to neutralize the threat.  

Other than those particular situations, it is *never* morally correct to commit murder.  If you failed to be prepared or to develop skills, or to overcome laziness, and you failed to make sure that you could feed yourself and your family/tribe, that is on you.  The fellow who did prepare or develop skills, and who has a good work ethic, has no moral obligation to die in order for his provisions to feed you.  He does have a moral obligation to be armed so he can fight off the parasites who have that mind set.

There, that's my two cents on that subject!

Kathleen



If someone thinks murdering your neighbors so you can steal their stuff is "moral" then I don't think they have a good understanding of the word. However you can be sure LOTS of people will find reasons to "justify" robbing and even killing their neighbors.

Having said that, in a serious long term shtf situation the standards for justifiable homicide will drastically change (unless you are in Texas, then it stays about the same).  Theft and the like will probably be a capital offense simply because a) stealing someone's food/supplies can be the same as killing them and b) no one will have the time/energy/resources to incarcerate criminals.
 
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S Bengi wrote:I am hearing alot of people saying that to survive the ZA, it would be best if to find or create a community of self-sufficient people if we want to survive. So that we have some equal partners to support us and trade with us, Because if I am the only person out of 30,000 people that have food/water/light at night, I will surely be over run no matter how much bullets and food that I have.

But if we are in a community where everyone have their own water/food/etc, things will be better, and then I or my neighbor want some variety to spice up life, then I might trade my delicious almond nuts for some corn that didn't do too well for me this season.



The community thing is a problem for many.

You either move to an area where the neighbors are already homesteading/ranching and are probably somewhat prepared or you join a group that has a pre-stocked location. There are also small communities you can join but it takes resources (i.e. money to build a cabin, bring a years worth of supplies etc...) and many are either religious groups or para-military. Or you could move to a small Mormon town in Utah, devout Mormons are required to prep and most are also well armed. Course if you don't convert you will be an "outsider" but at least they won't get desperate and try to rob you or eat you.

Many of us are embedded in our current location because of our animals or gardens so our ability to hook up with other geographically close individuals is slim to none. That may not be ideal but we just have to do the best we can. Realistically if you can hunker down and take care of yourself for a month or two you will survive the vast majority disasters.

 
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Lucrecia Anderson wrote:

Kathleen Sanderson wrote:Someone up there seems to think that there is nothing morally wrong with murder in order to get food if you are starving...thought I might address that a little bit.  

There are times when it is morally right to kill another human being:  if you are fighting in a war, you have to kill your enemies or they will kill you (this generally only pertains to soldiers but under some circumstances civilians can get caught up in the fighting).  And if you or yours are being attacked, you have a moral obligation -- not just a right, but an obligation -- to protect them with all force necessary to neutralize the threat.  

Other than those particular situations, it is *never* morally correct to commit murder.  If you failed to be prepared or to develop skills, or to overcome laziness, and you failed to make sure that you could feed yourself and your family/tribe, that is on you.  The fellow who did prepare or develop skills, and who has a good work ethic, has no moral obligation to die in order for his provisions to feed you.  He does have a moral obligation to be armed so he can fight off the parasites who have that mind set.

There, that's my two cents on that subject!

Kathleen



If someone thinks murdering your neighbors so you can steal their stuff is "moral" then I don't think they have a good understanding of the word. However you can be sure LOTS of people will find reasons to "justify" robbing and even killing their neighbors.

Having said that, in a serious long term shtf situation the standards for justifiable homicide will drastically change (unless you are in Texas, then it stays about the same).  Theft and the like will probably be a capital offense simply because a) stealing someone's food/supplies can be the same as killing them and b) no one will have the time/energy/resources to incarcerate criminals.



I agree with what you said, especially that last bit that I bolded.  It will be like in the Old West when they hung horse thieves, because stealing a man's horse and leaving him on foot was for all practical purposes murder.

Kathleen
 
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I always try mine out immediately. Lost a few due to freezing. Nothing visible, I just don't trust them after they have been frozen.

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From the Sawyer website FAQ ...

How do I care for my filter during freezing weather?
Before initial wetting

Filter is safe from freezing temperatures if it has never been wetted.
After initial wetting

While there is no definitive way to tell if a filter has been damaged due to freezing, Sawyer recommends replacing your filter if you suspect that it has been frozen.
During trips if you are in freezing temperatures, we recommend that you store your filter in your pocket or close to your person so that your body heat can prevent freezing. THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR A FROZEN FILTER.

 
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Mike Barkley wrote:I always try mine out immediately. Lost a few due to freezing. Nothing visible, I just don't trust them after they have been frozen.



Ahhh....good. Mine has never been used (one of the few times being lazy and NOT testing equipment has paid off!)

If I knew how to give out an apple I would. Thanks.
 
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I gave Mike an apple (one has to be a pollinator, gardener, or steward to give out apples). I'm also happy to know that my not-yet-used water filters won't break when frozen!
 
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Michael Moreken wrote:

Spencer Miles wrote:I feel compelled to remark upon the direction that the discussion has taken, as well as to point out a humorous, macabre irony.

Zombies - I prefer "zommies" 'cause it's more fun to say.

Community. Community, Community, COMMUNITY!!!

:)



Let it be known that community, nations, groups of people are more capable of creating crazy thoughts than a single man.

Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.  - Friedrich Nietzsche



I best practice might try to lie low, stay out of spotlights.
 
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