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Elderberry toxicity and tinctures

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  I am trying to find information about the toxin in elderberry seeds, and what effect, if any, tincturing in alcohol has on it. What I have found, seems conflicting. Article after article saying do not eat or use raw elderberries, seeds are toxic, etc. and even one source: https://franklininstituteofwellness.com/proper-elderberry-syrup/ , that suggests the only way to use elderberry is medicinally is by thoroughly cooking it and making a syrup so that “all” toxicity is destroyed, and basically says outright do not make tinctures as the berries (dried or raw) do not get cooked first.
 On the other hand, I see TONS of people advocating tinctures, sharing tincturing recipes, and sometimes even claiming that alcohol denatures the glycoside and makes them safe but I cannot find a single source proving that, only the opposite, actually, that the alcohol would extract and preserve the toxin too. However, I have also not seen a single claim of anyone getting violently sick from using an elderberry tincture, even if those same people can or have been made sick eating the raw berries. So, I’m at a bit of a loss here. If anyone has any experiences or more information to share it would be greatly appreciated!
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Every single medicine I get from the doctor says might cause kidney and liver failure. Causes drowsiness don't drive otherwise possible death. Other say it might cause mood swing/suicidal thoughts/depression, weight gain and weight lost, etc, etc. But everyone seems to be taking them and they seems to work enough to make it a biz model.

All that said, elderberry needs to be heat treated (baked/cooked/simmered/etc) or fermented to breakdown the 'bad hombres' before they are eaten in big/regular quantities. Eating a small handful of raw berries or the equivalent as 'raw tincture' is fine, esp if it is topical vs oral.  Do listen to your body and reduce or eliminate any food or medicine that your body tells you is not working for you. I can eat a ton of peanut for some people it is deadly, likewise my doctor also says if the medicine makes me worse stop come in and change the dosage or try another compound.  
You’ll find me in my office. I’ll probably be drinking. And reading this tiny ad.
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