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Steve Thorn wrote:By maintaining a good mulch layer, direct seeding, not disturbing the soil, never watering, accepting a few plants may not make it, and selecting for tougher plants, I've not had to water my garden at all, and I think it will work for you too!
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Tyler Ludens wrote:My problem has always been not watering enough....This year I'm allowing myself to water the Kitchen Garden as much as it needs.
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Meg Mitchell wrote:I'm in a similar climate and very interested in the idea of how I can reduce my water usage especially in the summer, but I feel like this article might be overstating what can be done without irrigation? You linked to another article about dry farmers in California and say "If they can do it, then you can too". But that link says that dry farming is difficult, requires a particular climate, and results in lower yields than farming with irrigation. It's not so much foregoing the prize-winning tomato as it is foregoing a large chunk of your yield (the article says 1/5 as many plants). It also says that not all kinds of crops can be grown this way. The end of the article says that the reason more farmers don't dry-farm is that the yields are so low that most farmers would go broke, and the reason people doing dry-farming get into it is that irrigation is not available and they have no choice.
I've already made peace with not having prize-winning vegetables after seeing what it takes to grow one prize-winning carrot but that's pretty different from giving up 80% of the yield on some crops and 100% on others. I have to wonder how that would affect the back-of-the-napkin math for the number of acres needed to be self-sufficient for food. Do you have any ballpark numbers for how large your food garden is and what percentage of your food needs are being met by it?
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Steve Thorn wrote:I have an extreme tough love with my garden. I never water any of my garden plants.
I plant it all direct seeded, without transplanting any of the plants, which I think really helps with not needing to water it in the future. The roots grow down deep right away, as they are never watered, so they have to develop strong healthy roots to have good access to moisture as they grow.
Never watering is really important from my experience. If it is watered even 1 or 2 times especially when young, it will develop a dependence on it, and won't be able to weather extended periods of drought. Sometimes the plants look like they need water, but will actually bounce right back to normal once they get relief from direct sunlight.
I also don't disturb the soil at all after planting. I minimize weeding, and instead of pulling the weeds out, I usually cut them down and add them to the mulch.
Some plants won't make it, but that's ok with me, I'm selecting for those that are more vigorous and can handle periods of drought.
This may not work for all climates, but I think it could work in almost all of them using permaculture techniques and design, and planting in the best areas for each plant's specific needs and unique preferences.
By maintaining a good mulch layer, direct seeding, not disturbing the soil, never watering, accepting a few plants may not make it, and selecting for tougher plants, I've not had to water my garden at all, and I think it will work for you too!
Really enjoyed the thread and blog post Daron, I look forward to reading them each week.
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Joylynn Hardesty wrote:
Steve Thorn wrote:By maintaining a good mulch layer, direct seeding, not disturbing the soil, never watering, accepting a few plants may not make it, and selecting for tougher plants, I've not had to water my garden at all, and I think it will work for others too!
How much rain do you usually get during the summer? I usually have 2 months with minimal rain. The seasonal drought. This year it started early. No rain for 3 weeks. But with the winter so very wet, I haven't felt the need to water, yet.
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Daron Williams wrote:Do you save your own seeds? I'm really interested in developing my own vegetable varieties by saving seeds so hopefully they would become adapted to my low water gardening.
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Stacy Witscher wrote:. I agree that some plants just wilt, like zucchini in afternoon sun, but that doesn't always mean that they need more water.
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Steve Thorn wrote:I plant it all direct seeded, without transplanting any of the plants, which I think really helps with not needing to water it in the future. The roots grow down deep right away, as they are never watered, so they have to develop strong healthy roots to have good access to moisture as they grow....
Never watering is really important from my experience. If it is watered even 1 or 2 times especially when young, it will develop a dependence on it, and won't be able to weather extended periods of drought. Sometimes the plants look like they need water, but will actually bounce right back to normal once they get relief from direct sunlight....
I also don't disturb the soil at all after planting. I minimize weeding, and instead of pulling the weeds out, I usually cut them down and add them to the mulch.
Some plants won't make it, but that's ok with me, I'm selecting for those that are more vigorous and can handle periods of drought.
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Cj Jones wrote:Is there a particular quantity of compost or mulch that you use that you feel helps?
I'm fascinated by the idea of teaching plants roots to dive deep from the time they are babies. Since they need water to sprout, when do you stop watering?
Does the type of veggie make a difference? Does companion planting or interplanting annual and perennials make a difference?
When do you mulch once you've seeded and do you remulch during the growing season.
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Beth Wilder wrote:Thank you, Steve! Wow, it seems like you get a ton of seeds (lettuce, cucumber, squash, etc.) to germinate without watering. I'm very jealous! We've wasted a lot of money on seeds that never germinate because the time when we need to plant them to get harvests is during the dry, hot, windy season here. (April isn't too hot, and I always get my hopes up and throw out a lot of seeds. Often they start to sprout but then shrivel or get mowed down by ants or rodents because by the time they're up they're the only green thing going besides the mesquite leaves.) For things like lettuce, I could try seeding under an expanded metal truck bed thing that we use as a raised platform for our shade structure ("palickie"). But greens we can grow pretty successfully most winters here. It's stuff like hot peppers I'd really love to be able to grow because it seems like they'd do so well if we could get them to survive until monsoon, and they don't like so much shade, I think.
I'd really like to see if we can get cucumbers to do well here. They're originally from the desert, aren't they? And we got plenty of good ripe squash last year even planting in mid- to late-July after the monsoon had really gotten going (we got our first frost November 11th, but not too bad -- I harvested all the remaining squash, tomatoes, peppers, and watermelons the next day before the first hard frost and the squash stored fine). (In passing: Has anyone observed, in terms of phenology, a connection between things like cranes arriving for the winter and first frost? We observed the first cranes last year on October 16th, a little less than a month before first frost, and I'm wondering how predictable that sort of timeline might be.) I'd like to try seeding some cucumbers when monsoon starts.
I tried to attach some pictures from our successful garden last year, but it didn't work. I need to better figure out how that works here.
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Beth Wilder wrote:Very cool, Kai, thanks for posting those ideas! I think we'd have to be constantly watering something like that here in the hot sun and winds of spring, and there are many demands on our water. We are expanding our rain catch systems gradually in order to be able to support more growing, etc. And we do cage plants to keep rodents out -- more for perennials and things we have a small number of, like peppers and tomatoes, than for seeds we sow a lot of -- and try to eradicate the anthills near our growing areas. Spring is just a really tough time for plants around here (for the animals, too, which is why they eat anything green they see).
I was just talking to my dad, who read in the big state newspaper that our monsoon is forecast to start late and a bit paltry this year, but hopefully stick around a good long time and improve in quantity towards the end of the season. Hopefully we also have a late first frost, I guess!
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