!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cleaning our Rivers and Oceans Kickstarter

Leigh Tate wrote:I came by to see how things are going! I think I was backer 105.


I published a promotional blog post late yesterday. I don't know how may have clicked the Kickstarter link so far, but the views are starting to pile up.

Hello Leigh!  

Thanks for sharing the kickstarter with more people!  The kickstarter rewards program is a great way to help people and get paid a kickback at the same time.

I really appreciate you putting all your books in the digital market!  The how to books are easy to follow and your farm is such an inspiration to me!

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The pledge is at 6,661 usd.  That's a lucky number, right?

So close to $7k & 200 backers!

Andrés Bernal wrote:

$7,013!!!

Nice

Backer #210.

Thinking about the poor performance of this kickstarter (compared to some of our other kickstarters) combined with some things that people said yesterday, i wrote this article and could use some feedback:

https://permies.com/t/284145/dawn-dish-soap-homesteading


Overall, I feel like there are a hundred articles that lead up to the movie.  Articles I did not write.  And I am now thiking that people need those articles before they can support a movie like this (or even a one dollar ebook).

       $8,013!

r ranson wrote:The pledge is at 6,661 usd.  That's a lucky number, right?

Totally lucky - It is an angel number

I was finally able to sit down and join this kickstarter!

I am hoping that it gains velocity and skyrockets to new heights.

Backer #243, at the $45 level. Umm, I'm going to be building a willow feeder in the next 1-2 weeks, need it for an event early August, is there a way I could get the digital plans early, pretty please? Even an early draft version would be wonderful, I was just going to improvise off what I've seen in the vids. Already have the pee diverter thingy.

I like the thought and effort put into this invention. Some questions that come to mind include,

What assumptions are being made? (e.g., people will separate waste streams - recycling programs indicate low adoption)

Using approximations from your own tests, how well would an operation like this scale? (i.e., would this work with a population of 1,000, or 25,000, or 100,000...)

Could this be implemented in most of the rural US with populations under 25,000?

How much space or resources would be needed?

Can it work in developing countries with no electricity?

What environmental factors influence the process? (e.g., temperature, humidity - what is ideal? what is functional?)

What would happen in the event of a natural disaster, such as flooding? (i.e., does it protect against contamination or the spread of disease)

It's okay if there are no answers to these questions at this time. Pollution is a wicked problem, and maybe this is the nudge that could lead us to a tipping point of widespread ecological restoration.

Jeremy Roy wrote:I like the thought and effort put into this invention. Some questions that come to mind include,

What assumptions are being made? (e.g., people will separate waste streams - recycling programs indicate low adoption)

I'm not the one to answer any of these questions but some assumptions that appear to me are being made are one, that I can lift a barrel full of shit and sawdust, which I can't. Two, that I have a way to acquire haul and store an ongoing supply of saw dust, which I don't. Three, that I have a place to store barrels full of shit and sawdust for two years, which I don't. That I have a willow tree to feed it to, which I don't.

Bryan de Valdivia wrote:Backer #243, at the $45 level. Umm, I'm going to be building a willow feeder in the next 1-2 weeks, need it for an event early August, is there a way I could get the digital plans early, pretty please? Even an early draft version would be wonderful, I was just going to improvise off what I've seen in the vids. Already have the pee diverter thingy.

You're gonna hate this ....


First, we used to try to do SOMETHING to help folks in your position.  But all of the people we helped ended up not backing the kickstarter.  Either they withdrew their pledge or their card failed or something.  So we stopped trying to provide anything early until after the offical funds and reports arrive from kickstarter.  In other words, you must be thoroughly punished for the actions of those that came before you.

Second, the kickstarter is to get the funds to make the movie and make the plans.  And at this moment, it looks like this will be my first kickstarter that doesn't get funded.


Third, we have shared oodles of information about our current builds in threads.  Is that not enough?

Jeremy,

I think this is the best option for raw land where people are about to build their first homestead.

I think this is the best option for existing homesteads.

I think this is the best option for urban environments that have a yard that can support a willow tree.  And, I think, in time, an urban service can be created for apartment dwellers.  In other words, I think it can scale extremely well.


Most of all:  I feel the time has come to share what we have learned in the hopes that others will, in time, take it much further.

I'm in!
Hoping to see the movie come to life! And the book of course

Over

$10k!!  

$10,007! Halfway there!!

paul wheaton wrote:

Bryan de Valdivia wrote:Backer #243, at the $45 level. Umm, I'm going to be building a willow feeder in the next 1-2 weeks, need it for an event early August, is there a way I could get the digital plans early, pretty please? Even an early draft version would be wonderful, I was just going to improvise off what I've seen in the vids. Already have the pee diverter thingy.

You're gonna hate this ....


First, we used to try to do SOMETHING to help folks in your position.  But all of the people we helped ended up not backing the kickstarter.  Either they withdrew their pledge or their card failed or something.  So we stopped trying to provide anything early until after the offical funds and reports arrive from kickstarter.  In other words, you must be thoroughly punished for the actions of those that came before you.

Second, the kickstarter is to get the funds to make the movie and make the plans.  And at this moment, it looks like this will be my first kickstarter that doesn't get funded.


Third, we have shared oodles of information about our current builds in threads.  Is that not enough?

Hiya Paul,

you'll love this ....

First, being punished for the actions of those that came before me, yup, I get it.  Was just hoping that the little K8 next to my name and the extensive list in "My Stuff" would give my request some credibility.

Second, I wasn't aware that the plans weren't made yet, and yup, get that as well.

Third, yes, and that's the info I'm planning to use to build my own, it just seemed like near-perfect timing if official plans were about to be released.

It's all good mr. big over-alled sweary frustrated guy, working with this many folks is like herding cats on PCP, yup, get that as well.

Was just hoping that the little K8 next to my name ...

Oh!  I didn't notice that!  

Get a thread going about what you want to build and we'll see what can be done.  

Our current plan is to make one set of plans for willowonka (outdoors) and one set for the cooper pooper (indoors).

Only 6 hours for the early bird specials.

Mark Reed wrote:

Jeremy Roy wrote:I like the thought and effort put into this invention. Some questions that come to mind include,

What assumptions are being made? (e.g., people will separate waste streams - recycling programs indicate low adoption)

I'm not the one to answer any of these questions but some assumptions that appear to me are being made are one, that I can lift a barrel full of shit and sawdust, which I can't. Two, that I have a way to acquire haul and store an ongoing supply of saw dust, which I don't. Three, that I have a place to store barrels full of shit and sawdust for two years, which I don't. That I have a willow tree to feed it to, which I don't.

Sounds like a service and alternative resource opportunity. I'm sure someone has a device to lift a SnS barrel (work smart, not hard), we've been looking for more ways to utilize worn/discarded textiles, and you know that big-box store that's been empty for years - that would probably make a good storage facility.

What I'd like to know is,

How many barrels are we talking about per person in a two-year period?

How many willow trees, or other comparable trees, can be planted along rivers in zones that can currently support them?

paul wheaton wrote:... Get a thread going about what you want to build and we'll see what can be done....

No worries Paul, don't want to add to the workload, I can sort it out from the info on current threads. Thank you though.

paul wheaton wrote:Jeremy,

I think this is the best option for raw land where people are about to build their first homestead.

I think this is the best option for existing homesteads.

I think this is the best option for urban environments that have a yard that can support a willow tree.  And, I think, in time, an urban service can be created for apartment dwellers.  In other words, I think it can scale extremely well.


Most of all:  I feel the time has come to share what we have learned in the hopes that others will, in time, take it much further.

Paul,

I hear ya, and I appreciate you sharing.

If you know anyone in the port-a-jon business, I would wager a guess that they could see a business opportunity. It could be a regular revenue stream.

There is also,

Beautification projects along riverfronts by local governments and NGOs

Waste management companies engaged in composting

Community-supported agriculture

and others who would find value in this process.

I think you are right, there is still a great deal of potential beyond homesteading in the work you've done. There's a lot of room for improvement in how we relate to the environment in which we live.

In just under the earlybird wire at #316. This is a crazy busy time of year with local events, not to mention homestead tasks, barely time to check email. I hope more folx are catching up on their data backlogs...

Jeremy Roy wrote:I like the thought and effort put into this invention. Some questions that come to mind include,

What assumptions are being made? (e.g., people will separate waste streams - recycling programs indicate low adoption)

Separating the timing of pee and poop can be challenging for some people sometimes.  Our design has a urine diverter.   So, under the toilet seat, in the front there is a large funnel that will catch all or most of the pee if you happen to pee when you poop.   There is some incentive to doing this properly.  If you pee in the can, the system will not work as well.  There will be too much nitrogen and this will eventually lead to some smell if you get way too much nitrogen.  Also the can will be way heavier if you pee in it a lot.   So I think people will try to keep pee out of the can.

Jeremy Roy wrote:

Using approximations from your own tests, how well would an operation like this scale? (i.e., would this work with a population of 1,000, or 25,000, or 100,000...)

At this time, this is a do it yourself system.  It does not really effect the system if lots of people are doing it.   So yes, it will scale.  We can all do this and it will still work the same.   The change at scale is the reduction of pollution.  When fewer people are using the sewage treatment plant, there will less poison in the river.

Jeremy Roy wrote:

Could this be implemented in most of the rural US with populations under 25,000?

This system can be implemented by anyone, all over the world.  I think the willow feeder system will be especially popular with people where fresh drinking water is scarce.   Unlike the flush toilet, septic tank or sewage treatment plant, there is no water needed for this system.    Adding the willow candy (aged human manure) as a nutrient rich mulch to your landscaping plants will noticeably improve the soil quality around your home.

Jeremy Roy wrote:

How much space or resources would be needed?

You will need to find a source of sawdust or other high carbon material.   There are lots of options here.   Pick something that is east for you to get.
You will need some trash cans or other similar lidded container.
A bit of a shed or awning to protect the cans from weather and sun.
In some situations, people will be able to work the willow feeder into an indoor bathroom.  Otherwise you can build a free standing building.  Similar to a traditional outhouse building.  Andrés is working on the plans now, so you will be able to build yours to suit your particular site and needs.

Jeremy Roy wrote:

Can it work in developing countries with no electricity?

The willow feeder has no need for electricity.   Some people like to add a fan but you can get this drawing effect from the trombe wall.  It is also nice to have light for night time visits but you can use solar panels or a candle if you are off grid!

Jeremy Roy wrote:

What environmental factors influence the process? (e.g., temperature, humidity - what is ideal? what is functional?)

This system will work well in varied climates.  Plastic can get brittle in extremely cold temperatures so some folks don't move their cans in winter.  Part of the reason to build a shed to store the cans is to protect the plastic from degradation from prolonged sun.  If you live in a very humid environment, you may want to protect your dry sawdust from ambient moisture so it can do the work of absorbing the water from your poop.

Jeremy Roy wrote:

What would happen in the event of a natural disaster, such as flooding? (i.e., does it protect against contamination or the spread of disease)

If you live in a flood zone, or other disaster area, you will want to take to same precautions you would with your other belongings.  Store your cans above the flood and build lots of hugelkulture around your site to reduce the risk from floods.

i made an article:  willow feeder movie for apartment dwellers

https://permies.com/t/284281/willow-feeder-movie-apartment-dwellers

Almost $11k

I really like this image Andres made:

Only $4 short of $11,000.

$11,000!!  

i just got an email from john bush about this kickstarter!  Nice!