• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Carla Burke
  • Nancy Reading
  • John F Dean
  • r ransom
  • Jay Angler
  • Timothy Norton
stewards:
  • paul wheaton
  • Pearl Sutton
  • Tereza Okava
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • M Ljin
gardeners:
  • thomas rubino
  • Jeremy VanGelder
  • Megan Palmer

Ways to combat higher fertilizer prices and sustaining ourselves in the long run.

 
Posts: 1057
37
  • Likes 9
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Good evening folks! How are you? I'm looking for ways to combat higher fertilizer prices in an organic fashion without the chemical types and help others cope with the uncertainty in the world right now.
How can we create fertilizer for commercial use without chemicals and help grow crops quickly into autumn? I wanna help my community and others as much as possible. Please reach me on this forum if you need me. Good night!
 
Posts: 90
18
  • Likes 7
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Compost is the obvious one but takes time to build up. Shorter term, growing legumes as a cover crop and cutting them in before they set seed adds nitrogen without buying anything. Nettles steeped in water make a decent liquid feed too, and if you have access to wood ash that adds potassium. None of it replaces a full fertility programme overnight but it does reduce how much you need to buy in.
 
master pollinator
Posts: 5703
Location: Canadian Prairies - Zone 3b
1626
  • Likes 9
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I would add that many cities/municipalities have massive composting programs, with the intent of keeping as much kitchen and yard waste out of the landfills as they can (to extend their useful life, and reduce methane emissions).

Usually, the resulting compost is free. I know, I know, it's not organic. But it is available right now, for free. Personally I mix the "city compost" I pick up with biochar and my rough compost and other magic ingredients, letting it cook in an anaerobic slurry for a bit, in the hope of mitigating any chem nasties. I haven't had a problem so far but I'm careful.
 
gardener
Posts: 5619
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio,Price Hill 45205
1249
forest garden trees urban
  • Likes 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Pee!
in that fall,top your beds with wood chips or leaves, then add pee.
Pour it right on.
Also a good a good substance for charging biochar.
One poster here used it in subirrigated planters for growing corn!


Another source of nutrients im bullish on is water plants.
They put on mass very fast, relative to most plants, but they won't root and compete with your crop, unlike the most vivacious terrestrial plants.
I've used water lettuce in the past, because it was available.
This year I'm setting up a barrel of duckweed at the community garden,as source of "scoop and drop" green manure.

 
out to pasture
Posts: 13191
Location: Portugal
4304
goat dog duck forest garden books wofati bee solar rocket stoves greening the desert
  • Likes 9
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I recently made a thread that looks at the possibility of quickly replacing the need for nitrogen fertiliser by adding more legume years to the crop rotation -

Can changes in crop rotation allow big ag to eliminate the need for synthetic fertiliser?

In short, it seems that yes, it can be done. This post in particular discusses a paper that looks at Integrating legumes to enhance cereal production: The relative inputs of fertiliser nitrogen and legume biological nitrogen fixation in major wheat and maize producing countries

This chart was very interesting in that paper



The final column shows the additional legume area required to make up the nitrogen shortfall, and in some places, like the USA, it's around 25%. Which is quite do-able by switching out one year of wheat or corn growing with a year of growing peas or beans.

My general take on the whole thing was that big ag could cope perfectly well without nitrogen fertiliser if we just ate more beans.

For small scale growing it's relatively easy to incorporate the use of urine, composting, gathering leaves and grass cuttings to use as mulch, that sort of thing. But it seems that a simple change in our diets to increase peas and beans and reduce wheat and corn would keep the food supply from Big Ag secure too.

In short, eat more beans!
 
steward
Posts: 18698
Location: USDA Zone 8a
4733
dog hunting food preservation cooking bee greening the desert
  • Likes 5
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
The way I would combat higher fertilizer prices and sustaining ourselves in the long run would be to use compost tea.  Have you tried that?
 
Steward of piddlers
Posts: 7601
Location: Upstate New York, Zone 5b, 43 inch Avg. Rainfall
4234
monies home care dog fungi trees chicken food preservation cooking building composting homestead
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

How can we create fertilizer for commercial use without chemicals and help grow crops quickly into autumn?



I'm not sure if there is an easy plug and play replacement for existing commercial fertilizers but I think a way around that issue is to get buy in from folks into the idea of healthy living soils. If we encourage the improvement of soil through increasing both soil biota diversity and increasing organic matter we can achieve comparable yields to conventional growing systems.  The only thing that may be frustrating for some is that this is not an overnight process. It takes time and effort to improve soil through living roots and compost amendments.
 
master gardener
Posts: 6267
Location: Carlton County, Minnesota, USA: 3b; Dfb; sandy loam; in the woods
3739
8
forest garden trees books chicken food preservation cooking fiber arts seed woodworking homestead ungarbage
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I think the solution is a combination of two primary approaches: 1) accept lower yield and 2) breed plants that don't rely on inputs.



I don't much care what fertilizer prices do because I don't use any.
 
I agree. Here's the link: http://stoves2.com
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic