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Derek Carter wrote:
Its not fruit but we also harvest black locust flowers in the spring and it makes up about 25% of our salad for a couple weeks.
D Tucholske wrote:So far as I'm aware, the American Hawthorns should be fine. As to the different species, I believe they do something normally only associated with domesticated fruits- whatever fruits you end up with are kind of arbitrary. A tree just decides whether it wants to be red, green, yellow or black at random, so several colors aren't that odd. You can check as to whether they're thorned or thornless, but I don't know how much of a difference that makes in edibility.
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Thomas Dean wrote:Definitely have thorns. Lots of thorns. Although I'd rather deal with the hawthorn thorns than the prickly ash we have in other places on the property.
D Tucholske wrote:
Thomas Dean wrote:Definitely have thorns. Lots of thorns. Although I'd rather deal with the hawthorn thorns than the prickly ash we have in other places on the property.
Ok, then, at the very least, I can say that it's definitely a different species than I know of. We have thornless ones &, according to a study by a botonist 10 yrs ago, my area might actually have a unique species that only occurs naturally here. I guess we ought to try to find out what known species may be poisonous & narrow things down from there.
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Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:...Black locust has thorns, [not real big ones]... My 2 honey locusts do not have thorns, and as far as I know, do not grow wild here. They were sold to me by a reputable nursery, but I don't know what I have. It is definitely not the wild version of Gledistia triacanthos, as the names implies "with triple thorns"...Considering that what a nursery calls "honey locust" makes not pods and has not thorns, it is possible to have a "thorn less honey locust". It is not God's creation through.
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D Tucholske wrote:
Derek Carter wrote:
Its not fruit but we also harvest black locust flowers in the spring and it makes up about 25% of our salad for a couple weeks.
Is there anything special you have to do with the flowers? I have an old book that brings up that my ancestors used to make a beer &/ or tea from Black Locust, but it turns out that the tree is poisonous. The book doesn't go into detail about what part to use or preparation & most people seem to be averse to touching it food-wise.
Unless, you meant honey locust & got auto-corrected, or something?
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Matthew Nistico wrote:
Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:...Black locust has thorns, [not real big ones]... My 2 honey locusts do not have thorns, and as far as I know, do not grow wild here. They were sold to me by a reputable nursery, but I don't know what I have. It is definitely not the wild version of Gledistia triacanthos, as the names implies "with triple thorns"...Considering that what a nursery calls "honey locust" makes not pods and has not thorns, it is possible to have a "thorn less honey locust". It is not God's creation through.
Black locust thorns may not be as big as those of other trees, like honey locust or some citrus, but they are still nothing to trifle with!
As for your thornless honey locusts, I've heard of those before. It is my understanding that they are hybrids, as you indicated, which means beware of any resultant seedlings, which will sprout those infamous 6" monsters! But I've also read that there is a naturally thornless subspecies (?) I am confused, though: you said that your thornless honey locusts do NOT make seed pods?
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Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:I hear you on the thorns of the black locust if you are not careful. Here, it can be quite invasive as it suckers a lot and it seems that cutting it off just encourages it to grow. Mow it flat and it will grow all the more the following year. May be that is why it is a good coppicing tree. We've had people who had a small yard and thought it would be a great ornamental, casting dappled shade. Well. they don't have a yard anymore.
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Kevin Goheen wrote:Honestly mine would be Autumn olives. Prolific and delicious here.
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Matthew Nistico wrote:
D Tucholske wrote:
Derek Carter wrote:
Its not fruit but we also harvest black locust flowers in the spring and it makes up about 25% of our salad for a couple weeks.
Is there anything special you have to do with the flowers? I have an old book that brings up that my ancestors used to make a beer &/ or tea from Black Locust, but it turns out that the tree is poisonous. The book doesn't go into detail about what part to use or preparation & most people seem to be averse to touching it food-wise.
Unless, you meant honey locust & got auto-corrected, or something?
Thank you, I would also like to know the answer to your question. I have planted many black locusts, and while I know that they are beloved by bees, it would also be great to harvest the flowers for more direct use. But it would be nice to know first if they are or are not poisonous! I know that the pods are indeed poisonous, but the flowers...?
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Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:
Matthew Nistico wrote:
D Tucholske wrote:
Derek Carter wrote:
Its not fruit but we also harvest black locust flowers in the spring and it makes up about 25% of our salad for a couple weeks.
Is there anything special you have to do with the flowers? I have an old book that brings up that my ancestors used to make a beer &/ or tea from Black Locust, but it turns out that the tree is poisonous. The book doesn't go into detail about what part to use or preparation & most people seem to be averse to touching it food-wise.
Unless, you meant honey locust & got auto-corrected, or something?
Thank you, I would also like to know the answer to your question. I have planted many black locusts, and while I know that they are beloved by bees, it would also be great to harvest the flowers for more direct use. But it would be nice to know first if they are or are not poisonous! I know that the pods are indeed poisonous, but the flowers...?
Yes, it is the flower of the black locust you can harvest to make a cold tea: https://www.instructables.com/Black-Locust-Flower-Cold-Brew-Tea/ While I was researching for what to do with locust blossoms, I came across this page: https://www.pinterest.com/foragedfoodie/forage-black-locust/ and I'm really intrigued about making liqueur or jelly. It sounds yummy. It seems that you can also eat the seeds, but the pods need to be cooked.
If it becomes invasive, you can always get goats: they will browse it to extinction in a couple of years, even the larger trees as they will strip the bark.
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Skandi Rogers wrote:We don't get too many fruits that are worth picking really
Blackberries (fairly uncommon)
Raspberries (very seedy and often dry)
Wild strawberries (lovely but never very many)
Wild cherries (normally horribly sour)
Elder (not great straight off the tree)
Hawthorn (very boring)
Rowen (bitter)
Rose hips (fiddly!)
Bilberries (blueberries smaller cousin oddly unproductive here compared to Scotland)
Sea buckthorn (If you can snack on these you've not got a tastebud left!)
Cloudberries are lovely but way to rare to pick, they should be photographed and left alone.
Of the above I like blackberries best here, as they are the only one (fresh eating) you can get enough of to do much with Back in Scotland I would say bilberries as with a berry picker you could fill a bucket in under an hour, and they taste so good.
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Steve Thorn wrote:It can't get much better than harvesting free and no effort fruit.
We have lots of wild blackberries around here, and during the summer they produce loads of tasty and flavorful berries. These are probably my favorite. They can be eaten fresh or made into wonderful treats!
I've also found a wild peach tree that was really good and a mulberry tree that I haven't tasted yet, but hope to very soon this summer.
We don't have that much wild fruit growing around here that I've seen, and it seems like few people around here even grow fruit anymore, but hopefully that will soon change!
What types of native or wild fruit do you have growing near you and what is your favorite?
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David Harrold wrote:
The native american black hawthorn has several small seeds compared to the single large seed of the european hawthorn. This characteristic allows the black hawthorn to be juiced with an omega juicer ( a victorio strainer on steroids). It works best to add apples to the mix as the hawthorn "juice/pulp" is very viscous and tends to jell as soon as it gets extruded due to its high pectin content. The apple flavour is a natural compliment to the hawthorn and with a little added cinnamon, makes a very tasty pie filling. I like to blend up the apple/hawthorn juice in a blender to break up the jell.
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I've heard that some hawthorns are not safe to eat? We have hawthorns in the woods near us. I like them because I know that they provide food for wildlife, and because they don't grow tall and then die like the poplar and soft maples. Those are always dying and seem to fall on the chicken coops, across an electric fence, etc. We live in Michigan, but I have no idea what species of hawthorn we have. Just by looking at morphology of the fruit, I think we have more than one species but I really have no idea. Any good source of info on IDing or eating them?
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Marisa Lee wrote:I love thimbleberries best in summer & wintergreen berries fall to spring. Both grow wild at my place, along with raspberries, strawberries, dewberries, pin cherries, and juneberries. Nearby are blueberries, chokeberries and cranberries. Farther away are high bush cranberries, which I like to make into ketchup. Up at my dad's place (wetter soil than I have here), there are wild plums, chokecherries, and currants.
One fruit I didn't realize was edible until recently is the fruit of Maianthemum racemosum, sometimes called false Solomon's seal or Solomon's plume. I'm learning to like it, because it's very abundant here. On the other hand, if I don't eat it, the wildlife do, so I feel fine leaving it alone.
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Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:Wait. you make ketchup with high bush cranberries??? I have a number of these bushes, and considering that nothing eats them around here, I've always thought they were totally worthless. The possibility of making ketchup out of them is really intriguing! You just have to share the recipe!
I also have false Salomon Seal but I didn't think they were edible. I wonder what they taste like.
Cécile Stelzer Johnson wrote:
Marisa Lee wrote:I love thimbleberries best in summer & wintergreen berries fall to spring. Both grow wild at my place, along with raspberries, strawberries, dewberries, pin cherries, and juneberries. Nearby are blueberries, chokeberries and cranberries. Farther away are high bush cranberries, which I like to make into ketchup. Up at my dad's place (wetter soil than I have here), there are wild plums, chokecherries, and currants.
One fruit I didn't realize was edible until recently is the fruit of Maianthemum racemosum, sometimes called false Solomon's seal or Solomon's plume. I'm learning to like it, because it's very abundant here. On the other hand, if I don't eat it, the wildlife do, so I feel fine leaving it alone.
Wait. you make ketchup with high bush cranberries??? I have a number of these bushes, and considering that nothing eats them around here, I've always thought they were totally worthless. The possibility of making ketchup out of them is really intriguing! You just have to share the recipe!
I also have false Salomon Seal but I didn't think they were edible. I wonder what they taste like.
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Marisa Lee wrote:Sounds more like chokecherries. The pin cherries I have are like micro cherries, bright red when ripe, and taste pretty good. Chokecherries are a little bigger (still pretty small), purple-black when ripe, and, well, basically what you described. Pin cherry = P. pensilvanicus and chokecherry = P. virginiana. Flowers look different too - pin cherry flowers are a lot bigger, and choke cherry flowers are small but grow in a beautiful double-helix dangling raceme.
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Michael Helmersson wrote:...The word I should have been using to describe the cherries' mouthfeel is "astringency".
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