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Another stretch goal reached! I really hope the next one is reached... that one is on my list of projects to do at my homestead!
 
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I have a question about being able to change the shipping address for the Kickstarter. I will be moving and do not know the address of where
I will be living in Sept. Will I be able to change the shipping address after I submit the $150 on Kickstarter?

paul wheaton wrote:It's up!  It's started!  It's going!



HERE IS THE LINK!







Build your very own rocket oven!






Learn how to build a rocket oven, how it works, and what you can do with it.




And lots of other stuff too:

How much wood to use, and what kind of wood works best.




How to adjust temperature




and most importantly, how rocket ovens can help save the world!






CLICK HERE!




 
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Tina Tolar wrote:I have a question about being able to change the shipping address for the Kickstarter. I will be moving and do not know the address of where
I will be living in Sept. Will I be able to change the shipping address after I submit the $150 on Kickstarter?



15 days after the kickstarter ends, we can tell who actually paid.  At that point, we will do a "kickstarter survey" which asks for everybody's address and how they want their name to appear in the vids.   People will have 72 hours to get us the name and then we ignore the address at that point.  

72 hours after the surveys go out, we will collect the answers and massage them into the microdocs and the dvd. 

About five days later we hope to be able to start sending out the digital versions, and we will send the dvd version to the dvd printer. 

Overall, about five or six weeks after the kickstarter is over we will have the dvds and need to send them.   That is the moment that we get all the latest info from kickstarter and we use that info for mailing out the dvds.  During all that time, kickstarter allows you to change your address.




Does this help?


 
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Between yesterday and today Dan and I have been thinking of dreaming up one more stretch goal.   Mostly because we have already rocketed through four stretch goals and we are just barely halfway through the kickstarter.   Another thing is that it just *feels* professional to have three stretch goals waiting at this point.   Maybe we won't ever get to the next one, but it seems wise to be prepared. 

So we came up with a few ideas ...


Thermometer for rocket oven:   the ATC is going on right now.   Uncle Mud has an idea for mounting a thermometer into the side of the rocket oven.   This way, you could see the interior temperature without having to open the rocket oven.   The big risk of this is:  does it work?   I would hate to promise this as a stretch goal, then have the goal met and it doesn't work.   So I think we have to not offer this.

Rocket Oven Plans from Davin:   they are not done yet.  And Davin is a super busy guy.   So I don't want to get into a pickle where we offered and it has been a year and we still don't have them.   So I think we have to not offer this.

Wofati Microdoc:   A tour of the wofatis as they stand now.   And maybe the berm shed too.  Some discussion of how they are made and why.  What is left to do.  Allerton Abbey is pretty close to being ready for the annualized thermal inertia test this year.  The new straw bale wall is up and nearly all the plaster is dry.  Dan said he could pop over and take some quick video.   A bit of work, but definitely could be a stretch goal.

Tour of 12 rocket mass heaters at wheaton labs:   We have 12 that are currently fully operational.  I could sit next to each one and describe it.   Maybe one or two minutes on each.  A bit of work, but definitely could be a stretch goal.

Rocket Kiln:   Ernie built it and it was used to roast a whole deer last year.   Kinda like a jumbo rocket black oven.  We have video of the build and video of the bake.  A bit of work, but definitely could be a stretch goal.

skiddable structures / porta-cabin (love shack):  We have the love shack, willowonka, willow bank, the chateau de poo, the gregorian wood shed, the bee hut, the skiddable canning kitchen and the shower shack, the willow candy warehouse ...   Maybe a few others that are not popping into my head.  Maybe we can cobble together a microdoc about these skiddable structures and a few others that I made before arriving here.   A bit of work, but definitely could be a stretch goal.


And then Jocelyn offered a few stretch goal thing-a-ma-bobs:

cookbook on "How I sneak greens into Paul's food":   Jocelyn says that maybe she could get some some help from tracy with images and layout for this (and the next).  She says she would have about a dozen different recipes with stories.  Quite a bit of wild greens.  eggs and greens, with lemon butter sauce, frittata, egg white omelette, spaghetti flavored cake, saute with sauce, zoodles - with sauce, (fermented) hot sauce for Paul, rhubarb sauce, sweet potatoes with greens and lemon-tahini sauce ... A bit of work, but definitely could be a stretch goal.

cookbook on "For when Paul has a been a good boy":  All the stuff here would be with a tip of the hat to the limited things I can eat these days.  Spaghetti flavored cake, cherry cheesecake that has no cheese, banana rhubarb cake, raw apple cake, clafouti (sugar-free version), maple syrup meringue cookies (sugar-free version), biscuits (sugar-free version), scones, polydough, homemade baking powder, pumpkin pie spices, fruit crisp (sugar-free version), baked apples (sugar-free version), pfeffernuss, Dutch baby ... A bit of work, but definitely could be a stretch goal.

cookbook on "Jocelyn's Ferments": krautchi, giadiniera, escabeche, curtido, hot sauce for Paul, tips & tools, e.g., make sure to kick-start non-brassica veggies ... A bit of work, but definitely could be a stretch goal.

Cooking video:  Jocelyn cooking for a crowd - but with Jocelyn's standards ....  polydough bread, pizza with zoodles, maybe a dessert ....   and maybe one other dinner. A bit of work, but definitely could be a stretch goal.


Any other ideas?   Which of these seems like the best?  Next best?


 
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I like the greens cook book and the good boy one. I think they would make a fun goofy bundle. As far as the docs go I like the wofati one the best with the 12 rocket tour a close second though of course the rocket one fits well with the kickstarter theme.
 
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Wow, I'm agreeing almost 100% with Daron!  I would like the greens cookbook.  I think my #2 choice would be the ferments.

I like the wofati microdoc as my #1 microdoc.
 
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My vote for the wofati microdoc.

Second choice for me is Rocket Kiln
 
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First kiln, close second ferments.
 
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Skiddable structures sounds like an awesome stretch goal.
the wofati tour would also be interesting!
 
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Voting for wofati
 
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Wofati is number 1 for me, with the fermentation cookbook a close second.
 
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Thanks for seeking our input!

My votes go for (in this order):  #1 ferments cookbook; #2 RMH microdoc; #3 wofati microdoc; #4 greens cookbook.

And I totally understand your reasoning for not yet offering the built-in rocket oven thermometer info as a goal.  That's the responsible choice not to.  But if you can possibly disseminate this info in the future, in any possible format via any possible means, please do!  When I first saw your rocket oven video on the Dailyish, before the Kickstarter even got started, my first thought was "wow, that's neat, I wonder how you could implant a thermometer in the door."
 
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Love the Ferments and the Rocket Kiln ideas
 
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Yes you have answered my question.

Thank you

paul wheaton wrote:

Tina Tolar wrote:I have a question about being able to change the shipping address for the Kickstarter. I will be moving and do not know the address of where
I will be living in Sept. Will I be able to change the shipping address after I submit the $150 on Kickstarter?



15 days after the kickstarter ends, we can tell who actually paid.  At that point, we will do a "kickstarter survey" which asks for everybody's address and how they want their name to appear in the vids.   People will have 72 hours to get us the name and then we ignore the address at that point.  

72 hours after the surveys go out, we will collect the answers and massage them into the microdocs and the dvd. 

About five days later we hope to be able to start sending out the digital versions, and we will send the dvd version to the dvd printer. 

Overall, about five or six weeks after the kickstarter is over we will have the dvds and need to send them.   That is the moment that we get all the latest info from kickstarter and we use that info for mailing out the dvds.  During all that time, kickstarter allows you to change your address.




Does this help?


 
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I'd like to vote for rocket kiln microdoc
 
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At the $150 reward level, we receive the 100hrs of PDC and 77 hours of ATC.

I can't find any info on whether this is streaming or download, SD or HD.

Can you please clarify that detail?

Many thanks.
 
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my vote:  Cookbook on "Jocelyn's Ferments"
 
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Matt Coston wrote:At the $150 reward level, we receive the 100hrs of PDC and 77 hours of ATC.

I can't find any info on whether this is streaming or download, SD or HD.

Can you please clarify that detail?



Good catch!

HD Streaming.  I have updated the kickstarter page.

Once you have access you will be able to upgrade to "tiny download" or "HD download"

 
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Well, I purchased the 60 or 80.00 package(forget which) in the Kickstarter. We live off the grid and I want to build an outside kitchen with the rocket oven and 2 rocket stoves. Then I can do all my canning and baking without propane. One day I also want to put a rocket mass heater in a greenhouse.

Not sure how many rocket stove/devices are in the actual DVD format which is what I prefer over a dl. Anyway, my husband is still a critic for the rocket stoves. He has seen too many videos with black in the front and up the surface of the feed chamber. So I am hoping to convince him a person can build a good quality rocket stove with no issues.

Therefore I would love to see the "Tour of 12 rocket mass heaters at Wheaton labs:"

Second would be the ferments. I do my own but love to see some new recipes.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:Once you have access you will be able to upgrade to "tiny download" or "HD download"


Will that incur extra cost?
 
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paul wheaton wrote:Once you have access you will be able to upgrade to "tiny download" or "HD download"


Will that incur extra cost?



Yup.

pdc tiny download upgrade: $40
pdc HD download upgrade: $100

atc tiny download upgrade: $40
atc HD download upgrade: $100



 
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paul wheaton wrote:

Matt Coston wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:Once you have access you will be able to upgrade to "tiny download" or "HD download"


Will that incur extra cost?



Yup.

pdc tiny download upgrade: $40
pdc HD download upgrade: $100

atc tiny download upgrade: $40
atc HD download upgrade: $100


Is there a discount to upgrade both together?

I am getting ready to make my pledge and that's one factor in whether I go up to the level with the pdc or not
 
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I think the thermometer thing will sort itself out organically once 800 people!!! get their KS rewards and and then 200-400 of these things get built! Some folks will need/want precision and others will be okay with a BBQ grill dial (warm,warmer,hot,carbonize).

My vote is still for the plans.
Even though you say "Rocket Oven Plans from Davin:   they are not done yet.  And Davin is a super busy guy.   So I don't want to get into a pickle where we offered and it has been a year and we still don't have them.".
Because I think this will be a hurdle for some folks building or not... and so for those folks, who maybe are going to put off their build for lack of plans, the wait might just dovetail in nicely...
Maybe the plans could be croudsourced? Divvy up the workload into bits (assuming SketchUp or something else free is being used) so someone draws the J-Tube, someone draws the oven, the stand, the chimney... then Davin knits it all together? Maybe a handy network to set-up for future plans? or just wishful thinking?

In lieu of that:
the Tour of 12 rocket mass heaters,
or the cookbook on "Jocelyn's Ferments" (I just listened to podcast (on my commute) where Jocelyn says "um, so when can we talk about recipes..." LOL!...,
or Wofati/Berm Shed tour would be good options.
 
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Kyrt Ryder wrote:Is there a discount to upgrade both together?



I was thinking that we were doing great because we came up with a way to do the upgrade at all!

So - no, not together.
 
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He has seen too many videos with black in the front and up the surface of the feed chamber.



It always bugs me when i see that too - so I think it is an excellent metric. 

I know that the two j-tube systems here that i have the most experience with have zero of that. 

 
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paul wheaton wrote:

He has seen too many videos with black in the front and up the surface of the feed chamber.



It always bugs me when i see that too - so I think it is an excellent metric. 

I know that the two j-tube systems here that i have the most experience with have zero of that. 



pics of our current rocket mass heaters:

https://permies.com/wiki/52142/rocket-mass-heaters-rocket-stoves
 
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Hate to betray my technological ignorance.... but what’s the difference between each of the different downloads ? What equipment requirements are there ? Do I need a certain computer to watch streaming ? Is it limited to my phone, or is there a way to watch on my tv ?

Thanks
 
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Paul - I love that I get to help keep you busy permie-izing the world in such a fun way!

My vote on added stretch goals would be:
1. the tour of all 12 rocket mass heaters (because this kickstarter shows that there is a huge interest in this science, but most of us need all the encouragement and assistance we can get).
2. the skiddable structures video (because I need some of these)
3. Whichever cookbook or video would be the most fun for Jocelyn to make.

In the end, I'd love access to all of these, so let's just get the kickstarter to explode!
 
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Robert Dearborn wrote:Hate to betray my technological ignorance.... but what’s the difference between each of the different downloads ? What equipment requirements are there ? Do I need a certain computer to watch streaming ? Is it limited to my phone, or is there a way to watch on my tv ?



I think that if you have to ask these questions, then you definitely should not purchase the download.   I think you should stick to HD streaming or physical DVD. 

I can tell you that the downloads are mp4 files.    "Tiny download" will most likely be 360p and "HD download" will most likely be 720p. 
 
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A thermometer was added to the rocket oven yesterday and dan got it all on video ....

 
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I am shocked and amazed no one has suggested the most obvious best stretch bonus yet!  So, I'll step up and say it.  We want an Erica and Ernie pin-up calendar!  With 15 pictures of Erica (the Fire-ress) in hot attire posing in and on Ernie's boats, etc.  Super-sexy, right!  Now that would REALLY rock this fundraiser, don't you think?
 
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1st Wofati microdoc

close 2nd skiddable structures.

 
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I like the cookbook ideas, particularly the ferment one.

I'd be interested in the wofati tour.

I don't think I actually see a bad suggestion on that list. I just have narrow interests.
 
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