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What is the difference between a Biscuit and a Scone?

 
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In the US, this is what we call a biscuit:


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These are made from a dough that might be flour, milk, and baking soda aka bicarbonate of soda.

I understand that in the UK a biscuit is more like a  cookie:


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Is the US biscuit similar to a Scone?

I asked and found this:

So, what's the difference between a scone and a biscuit? The answer generally boils down to one ingredient: eggs. Scones have them, biscuits don't.



https://www.eatingwell.com/article/285584/the-difference-between-biscuits-and-scones-plus-6-healthy-recipes/

These scones look delicious


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Since I have never tasted a Scone, do scones taste similar to the US biscuit?
 
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Every recipe I've tried so far is pretty biscuit-like. What encouraged me to try them is I had some blueberry ones in a fancy restaurant that were to die for! They were more like a dessert, or like a blueberry muffin. I need to try some more, now that you've reminded me.
 
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Howdy,

I have read about and seen old photos of Fireplace Cooking where a flat stone or clay or even metal griddle, was placed into or near open fireplace, and scones etc. were cooked on it, no oven.  Fireplaces used to be built for home cooking as well as a heat source.
 
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Hi Anne;
I make both all the time, biscuits and scones.
With my recipes neither takes eggs, the difference is sugar.
Scones have some (not much) and biscuits have none.
Flour, salt, butter, milk ,and baking powder for biscuits  
Exact same for scones but with 1/3 cup sugar.
Both are fast and easy to make.
 
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How do scones keep for several days?

Are they good cold or do the scones need to be heated to be as good as they were the day they were made?
 
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Scones don't have eggs.

Scones are usually eaten with sweet food like jam and cream, the classic English "cream tea". The basic scone recipe doesn't include sugar, but some may have sugar or sweet things added. Raisins or pumpkin are common in Australia where I grew up, or a sprinkling of sugar on top before baking.  

This is an example of the basic scone most Australian cooks would make: https://www.womensweeklyfood.com.au/recipes/basic-scone-22571
 To get the best fluffiest scones use slightly sour milk for a better reaction with the baking powder and don't overmix or knead to avoid developing the gluten too much which will make them tough. (Note - self-raising flour is regular flour with baking powder already included).

I understand in the US a biscuit is more something eaten with a savory meal. Scones can be made savory, by adding herbs, garlic and /or cheese, but one would need to call it a savory scone, to distinguish it from a normal scone.

Usually scones need to be eaten the day they're made.
 
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The lady who wrote the Eating Well article and included 3 recipes that use egg said:

Even though my mom has lived in the South for nearly 20 years, she's never gotten quite accustomed to biscuits. She is in the scone camp. She likes the crunchy, slightly sweet baked good, especially alongside a good cup of coffee. And since she is the baker in the house, I became accustomed to and developed a love for scones too. They are still my go-to coffee-shop splurge, especially at 4 p.m. on a Sunday afternoon.



Maybe this is like so many other variations of recipes is that some people like them one way and others another way.

Since I have never seen a scone I don't have a clue.

Kind of biscuits made with baking soda vs. biscuits made with baking powder.
 
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I think the scone recipes with eggs could be a regional interpretation of scones. Maybe more like Scottish drop cakes than the English or Australian scone?

Like plants have regional names, foods do too. Makes it sooooo confusing and soooooo interesting!
 
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In a ziplock, they stay fresh for 2-3 days.  Of course, they rarely last beyond the second morning.
I make mine plain but often spread jam on them.
They are great hot from the oven and at room temp.


 
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According to my born&raised Scottish mother in law, scones- cut in rounds or wedges, are denser and lightly sweet, so they will hold up to the weight of clotted cream or jam - or survive being stuffed in a lunch sack or pocket. My southern born and southern-but-raised-in-the-north-by-southerners, former baker self knows the round American biscuits to be fluffy-airy-light, inside, and buttery, but not sweet, so they can be eaten savory or sweet, and absorb jam, jelly, or honey, or be smothered in gravy, be it sausage gravy, brown, or milk gravy.

The most common feature between them is the crispy exterior texture, and (for round scones) the color & shape. I used to make both, as well as a hybrid, sweet, blueberry version, in a wedge, but with the fluffy interior of a biscuit. I prefer to make my biscuits square, to avoid having to reroll the scraps, and end up with them being tough.

All keep well, at room temp, covered, for several days, or freeze well, individually wrapped. I think all are best warm, dripping with a big glob of sweet butter. I miss the biscuits, terribly, and maybe - since we're snowed in for Christmas - it might be time to experiment with some I can have. (I make a gluten free, keto version of scones, in several flavors, that are often requested by the few folks I've managed to share them with, lol.)
 
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Carla Burke wrote:  since we're snowed in for Christmas - it might be time to experiment with some I can have. (I make a gluten free, keto version of scones, in several flavors, that are often requested by the few folks I've managed to share them with, lol.)



Please pass along this recipe. I have a BFF and husband who now require exactly this sort of thing, and I'm hunting good recipes! Please and thank you.


My input on the difference between American biscuits and scones is from the recipes I've read, most scones use buttermilk and some bits of fruit. I've never seen egg listed, and just now realized why the buttermilk! I used to be able to get premade blueberry scone dough in the refrigerated section (Pillsbury premade  biscuits dough, croissants dough, cookie dough etc.) and would bake up a half dozen in the mornings before going to work! Scones  seem a bit heavier than typical biscuits. And yes, they only keep a few days in an airtight container. If they last that long!
 
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Ask, and ye shall receive...

Carla's GF, Low Carb/Keto Scones (American measures, I'll try to remember to weigh them, next time I get around to making them)
Yield: 8 Scones

2 1/4 cups almond flour
1/3 cup coconut flour
3T erythritol
1 t baking powder
1/4 t sea salt
1 large egg, room temperature
3T butter or ghee melted
2T heavy whipping cream
1T vanilla extract
1/4t liquid stevia
1C fresh berries, chopped

Preheat oven to 350°F and butter pan.
Combine the dry ingredients and separately,  whisk the wet ingredients til homogenous.

Pour wet into dry, mix til just combined. Fold in add-ins, til well combined. Knead into a heavy, slightly moist dough, and shape into a round, on the pan. Cut into 8 wedges, and separate, a bit.

Bake 20-25 minutes, til the edges are golden - toothpick test. Cool in the skillet 15 minutes, or so, before moving to a rack or serving plate.  
Keeps up to 7 days, sealed/wrapped, and refrigerated.  

Add-ins:
Up to 1.5C berries, nuts, sf chocolate chips, or any combination,  i.e.: sf dk chocolate & dried bing cherries; sf milk chocolate chips & sour cherries; blueberries; strawberries; sf white chocolate & raspberries or blackberries...
 
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By "pink salt" do you mean Himalayan? Certainly you can't mean the stuff used to turn ground meats into sausages or some such??!!

And thank you. I'm copying it now for my cookbook!!
 
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A very interesting question and another example of the complexities of the English language when thrust against cultural norms.

Biscuit is not only a food item but a flat disc of some description.  Wiki shows a number of different version of applying the name.

In Australia, biscuits and cookies tend to be used interchangeably, though biscuits tend to be the harder varieties.
Like the Brits,  scones are round dough/pastry/ cake type things.....   And if left as a whole batch then cooked it could be a damper, just to confuse matters.

My wife makes the best scones with sifted self raising flour, butter, milk, salt, and a pinch of extra baking powder.
The basic mix can be changes to by adding salt, cheese, fruit, pumpkin (squash) herbs and spices.  All in my opinion, fabulous.

Do you do cream first or jam first with your English cream tea ?  https://www.thespruceeats.com/difference-cornish-vs-devon-cream-tea-435316
 
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Cindy Haskin wrote:By "pink salt" do you mean Himalayan? Certainly you can't mean the stuff used to turn ground meats into sausages or some such??!!

And thank you. I'm copying it now for my cookbook!!


Oops!! That was supposed to be sea salt, though kosher is fine, and I usually use Himalayan. (I've corrected it, above). I don't remember where I found the inspiration for this recipe, but I've adapted it so much, I'm not sure it's anything like the original.
 
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Scones can be sweet or savoury and you do not need to call them savoury scones to distinguish between them. I make plain (just flour, butter, raising agent and milk), fruit (with added dried fruit eg sultanas, currants, raisins or cherries and sometimes sugar but it's not really necessary if you ask me) and cheese. You can really add whatever you like. I have never made American biscuits, being in the UK, my biscuits are your cookies.
By the way, I prefer jam first on my scones as I don't see how the cream would stay on otherwise.
 
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Hot from the oven I sometimes place them in a bowl, add jam, and float them in heavy cream.
Oh my, they are good!
 
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I used to find this confusing. I shared my Australian biscuit recipes online and got nasty comments from Americans who were expecting an American biscuit/Australian scone rather than what they would call a cookie over there. I would also see Americans talking online about how great biscuits and gravy are and imagine them drizzling gravy over the top of sweet cookie type biscuits!

Where I grew up, scones were round. Butter gets rubbed into flour (we used “self raising flour” growing up, which is basically all purpose flour with enough baking powder added to make it rise), and then milk is added, before they are lightly mixed, rolled out, and cut with cutters into circles or with a knife into squares.

Savoury scones would be made with cheese and/or herbs. Sweet ones were more common, with a tiny bit of sugar added, but mainly the sweetness comes from the jam that it’s served with, along with some butter or softly whipped cream.

Popular sweet variations were fruit scones, with some sultanas/raisins mixed through, date scones, and pumpkin scones. I’ve made blueberry ones before from an Irish cookbook and they were very tasty.

Scones have never been something that I’ve thought would keep well - they’re usually served either hot from the oven with butter melting on them, or within a few hours of baking.

This thread is making me want to go and bake a batch of scones now! My favourite recipe for health reasons is a soaked flour version, using buttermilk, sour milk, or kefir, but sometimes I just want scones in a hurry and mix it all at once, and if I don’t have any sour milk I’ll just mix normal milk with a bit of vinegar. I’ve experimented with making soaked flour sourdough scones and they are good too.
 
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Kate,
Don't forget Lady Flo's pumpkin scones - yum!!
 
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another antipodean here, scones are the english version and biscuits sweet, crisp and crunchy.

scones can be whipped up for a quick afternoon tea, homemade jam is often a softer set so goes on top of the cream.

we grew up with both sweet and savoury scones. Mum's savoury scones had cheese, diced tomato and bacon in the mixture.

fruit scones were either sultana or date.

they were usually consumed the same day but don't usually taste as good the next day.

there's a popular recipe for scones using lemonade in the recipe that's supposed to help them stay moist and lighter though not tried it myself.




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Oooh, Megan, Anzac biscuits! Now I need to cook a batch! When they are cooked to the perfect degree of chewiness, they are sooooooo good! I've only cooked them a few times since being in the UK but should do them more often. We may need a new thread if you would be willing to share your recipe.
 
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Paul, those pumpkin scones look fabulous! Will try.
I'm late to the biscuit/scone thing, I am American but until I was an adult I never had a homemade biscuit, thought they came in cans in the supermarket. So I learned it all from scratch when I was learning to cook.

This is my go-to scone recipe: butter, milk, and raisins if you like. It is sweet, light, and lovely. https://www.hobbshousebakery.co.uk/blogs/recipes/140068103-tom-s-scones-recipe

I had assumed scones were supposed to all be fluffy and lovely; a trip to Wales, England and Scotland proved there seem to be all types for all tastes. I had a Welsh version that was very similar to the recipe above but cooked on a griddle and a wee bit denser (they were lovely), and then I had high tea at a posh English castle that cost an arm and a leg where the scones were apparently made of sand, with taste to match (their other baked goods were rather crap as well, although they were all gorgeous). I think I asked for three extra pots of clotted cream because they were literally impossible to swallow otherwise.

Scones are fabulous (or can be, anyway)...as are American biscuits!! But Scottish oatcakes beat them both hands down as far as I'm concerned. I've tried a lot of recipes, some are better than others (all taste great, but crumbling can be an issue).
 
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Biscuit means 'twice baked'. Not sure why the American scone things are called biscuits, as they're not.

Can of worms duly opened...
 
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Jason Manning wrote:Biscuit means 'twice baked'. Not sure why the American scone things are called biscuits, as they're not.

Can of worms duly opened...



They're not. What is commonly known as a 'biscuit' in Europe & the UK, is called a cookie, in the USA. American biscuits are what is typically confused with scones. Biscotti means 'twice baked', in Italian, and somehow, that one didn't get confused with biscuits, in the USA... Ahhh, language culture, lol!
 
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Carla Burke wrote:

Jason Manning wrote:Biscuit means 'twice baked'. Not sure why the American scone things are called biscuits, as they're not.

Can of worms duly opened...



They're not. What is commonly known as a 'biscuit' in Europe & the UK, is called a cookie, in the USA. American biscuits are what is typically confused with scones. Biscotti means 'twice baked', in Italian, and somehow, that one didn't get confused with biscuits, in the USA... Ahhh, language culture, lol!



Indeed - separated by a common language!
 
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Scones fresh from the oven, with strawberry jam and hot coffee!
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Tereza, your griddle scones eaten in Wales were probably called "Welsh cakes" and are flatter than a normal scone. In the north east of England, a similar "girdle" or griddle scone is known as a "singing hinny". Hinny is a term of endearment, probably a pronunciation of "honey". The singing hinny does not generally have sugar in the recipe (although Welsh cakes may), relying on dried fruit - currants, sultanas or raisins - for sweetness. The derivation of the name is uncertain but the "singing" is the sound the scone makes when it is cooking.
 
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This is my favorite easy scone recipe. I don't remember where I found it originally, probably Pinterest years ago.


Cream Drop Scones
1 1/3 cups all-purpose flour
2 Tbsp. sugar
1 1/2 tsp. baking powder
1/4 tsp. salt
1 cup heavy (whipping) cream
coarse sugar, for sprinkling (optional)

Preheat oven to 400F. In a medium bowl, stir together the flour, sugar, baking powder and salt. Add the cream and stir just until the dough comes together. Drop by the large spoonful onto a greased or parchment-lined baking sheet; if you like, sprinkle with coarse sugar. Bake for 15-20 minutes, or until golden. Serve warm.

I usually get 8 smaller ones or 6 if I am feeling fancy about putting something on it to bake ie a jam well or mini pb cups. Generally though it's a dash of cinnamon and 3 shakes of cardamom to the dry before the addition of the cream. Best eaten day of, but if flattish enough and fit in the toaster is a great way to revive them!
 
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Anne Miller wrote:In the US, this is what we call a biscuit:


source

These are made from a dough that might be flour, milk, and baking soda aka bicarbonate of soda.

I understand that in the UK a biscuit is more like a  cookie:


source

Is the US biscuit similar to a Scone?
I don't think I agree with this.  I used several scone recipes from the web and none of them have eggs as an ingredient.  I think it boils down to two things: Scones usually have some additional flavorings or fruit added, also some savory ingredients like cheese and chives.  Biscuits seldom do.  Also, I think of scones as breakfast food whereas biscuits are for dinner (unless you are from the South and eat biscuits and gravy).



I asked and found this:

So, what's the difference between a scone and a biscuit? The answer generally boils down to one ingredient: eggs. Scones have them, biscuits don't.



https://www.eatingwell.com/article/285584/the-difference-between-biscuits-and-scones-plus-6-healthy-recipes/

These scones look delicious


source


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Since I have never tasted a Scone, do scones taste similar to the US biscuit?

 
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Thank you, Patricia Boley, for reviving this thread!  Did you have a question?

Or did you just think my post was worth reviving?
 
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Anne Miller wrote:Thank you, Patricia Boley, for reviving this thread!  Did you have a question?

Or did you just think my post was worth reviving?



My message is there but it somehow got into the wrong place!

I said I don't agree with the eggs thing and that scones usually have added ingredients like fruit and nuts and are more of a breakfast item (unless you like biscuits and gravy).
 
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To get the best fluffiest scones use slightly sour milk for a better reaction with the baking powder and don't overmix or knead to avoid developing the gluten too much which will make them tough. (Note - self-raising flour is regular flour with baking powder already included).

I understand in the US a biscuit is more something eaten with a savory meal. Scones can be made savory, by adding herbs, garlic and /or cheese, but one would need to call it a savory scone, to distinguish it from a normal scone.

Usually, scones need to be eaten the day they're made.



In most parts of the US, biscuits are made with buttermilk which is a deceiving name for the "slightly sour milk" that is left over after butter is churned.  But yes, generally eaten with savory things, like sausage, eggs, and gravy. Though to a foreign palet the US versions of those things often taste sweet.
 
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Anne Miller wrote:Thank you, Patricia Boley, for reviving this thread!  Did you have a question?

Or did you just think my post was worth reviving?



My message is there but it somehow got into the wrong place!

I said I don't agree with the eggs thing and that scones usually have added ingredients like fruit and nuts and are more of a breakfast item (unless you like biscuits and gravy).



This is a fairly normal American experience, of scones, in this day and age. However, most fruits and nuts were rare and difficult to find, in Scotland, where (and when) scones were originally created. They're heavier and denser than biscuits, but were generally a plain or savory, fill-your-belly-cheaply type vehicle for clotted cream or honey - if they were lucky. My late Scottish-born&raised mother-in-law was somewhat scandalized at all the "sweet nonsense" that modern day folks seem to expect in them.
 
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I shall have to have a go at making US biscuits - they sound yummy! However scones ought to be quite light in texture - as others have said a light hand with kneading is one factor, a really hot oven is another. Using bread flour with more gluten also gives a better scone if you have 'the touch'. I tend to make scones with egg, as I find it makes them lighter, but my family always made them without. I would say they are definitely better within a day of making, and still warm from the oven is best!
 
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Nancy Reading wrote:I shall have to have a go at making US biscuits - they sound yummy! However scones ought to be quite light in texture - as others have said a light hand with kneading is one factor, a really hot oven is another. Using bread flour with more gluten also gives a better scone if you have 'the touch'. I tend to make scones with egg, as I find it makes them lighter, but my family always made them without. I would say they are definitely better within a day of making, and still warm from the oven is best!



Hi, Nancy! I'm not sure what the flour would be called, up there. The type used for the best, lightest biscuits is a different one than is used for beads. The bread wheat would be a hard red winter wheat, but the best for biscuits is a soft white wheat. I'll see if I can find the other names for it, but it's very light - similar to a cake flour, and it's the reason I differentiate biscuits from scones with 'heavier/ denser'. I love both, and absolutely mean no slight to scones, though like many Americans, I'm rather spoiled to them being sweet.
 
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I'll have to find a good basic American biscuit recipe, but I'll throw another quirk in the dish: I'm starting to think they sound a bit more like soda bread? This is very simlar to scones too, but a savory version: (1 lb bread flour, 2 teasp bicarb of soda, 2 teasp cream of tartar, 1 teasp salt 1-2 oz lard, 1/2 UK pint sour milk/buttermilk, baked 425 deg F) This is often made as a round, Mum used to make small cheesey ones that we'd have with soup sometimes. Definitely better eaten fresh.
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source (slightly different recipe)
Scones (basic recipe) 8 oz self raising flour,1/2 teaspn salt, 1 teaspn baking powder, 1-2 oz butter, 1/4pt milk baked 450 deg F so almost the same. I put 1 oz caster sugar, substitute some of the milk for egg and tend to use bread flour, it makes the scones lighter and softer. Usually I don't put fruit in.
Is the only real difference in these recipes, apart from the sugar, the fat though? Scones tend to be made with butter....Or are they really variants of the same thing just evolved in different directions?


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For fun one year I made soda bread based on the recipe I used it was not a biscuit.

Baking Powder Biscuits
Sift together:
2 Cups Flour
2 teaspoon baking powder
1 teaspoon salt

Cut in to crumbly stage:
1/4 Cup shortening

7/8 Cup sweet milk

Turn milk in all at once, and blend dough together.

Turn out on lightly floured bread board, and pat or roll out to desired thickness.

Cut out biscuits; place on buttered bake sheet; bake at 475' F 10 to 18 minutes, or until golden brown.

From: Easy Recipes for Cooks on Vacation by Ella Mae Tucker

Or better yet, use Leigh's recipe:

https://permies.com/t/174757/DIY-Leavening-Power-Recipes#1372295
 
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Definitely try it, Nancy! Though I warn you, for such a simple recipe, it is deceivingly difficult to master. Now that I've said that, you will probably master it in the first go (you're welcome!). Some of my fondest memories as a child were making biscuits with my grandmother. Coating the dough with flour and rolling it out with the rolling pin, and then stamping them out with an ancient tin can with a hole punched in the back was more like play than work, and then there was always that special biscuit made by pressing the leftover part together after stamping out all the biscuits one could get from the big round that somehow tasted better than all the rest, but they all were delicious. She always used the hydrogenated cottonseed oil shortening for biscuits, and it never seemed difficult to make good ones. Since I quit using that stuff, I have yet to find an equal manner of making biscuits.

Is the only real difference in these recipes, apart from the sugar, the fat though? Scones tend to be made with butter....Or are they really variants of the same thing just evolved in different directions?


With such common, simple recipes spread across vast areas and cultures, I think the boundaries between them seem rather squishy. The taste of butter definitely goes well with biscuits, whether used to cook them or added after cooking. Then again, butter goes well with pretty much anything. Then again again, the simple taste of the biscuits really lets the taste of good butter shine, and you definitely notice if the butter is old and has absorbed an off taste from something else. I think one of the leading ways people online tend to rave about making good biscuits is to freeze the sticks of butter and grate them to incorporate them into the flour. It seems if your fat/oil soaks into the flour, that is what makes the biscuits dense and unappealing. I've tried many ways and many recipes, but have yet to equal the biscuits made with that darned Crisco!
 
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