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Jay Angler wrote:... there are a bunch of more primitive ways to start fires ...
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Tim Siemens wrote:Good post. I like matches, but like you, I have found the degrade over time. Has anyone found a good storage option to keep matches viable in the long term? Perhaps I will need to do some experiments.
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Jeff Lindsey wrote:After many years in many different extreme environments, with a fire being required to live a few times, I use a multiple source kit based solution.
... ALWAYS light the candle first. Use the candle to light the tinder, then put the candle out careful and save it. Use the foil from the flameballs to lay out the tinder on the wet ground.
... Flint and steel is fine for showing off, but I'd make sure to store char cloth (like they did) with my kit if I had to depend on it. I wouldn't be able to use a fire bow if I was wounded or on the run or freezing or didn't have access to hardwoods. The magnesium fire sticks that you strike on the back of your knife are neat looking, but are inefficient try hard props compared to a match or a lighter. Zippos are super high maintenance unless you smoke daily. Due to my terribleness as a boy, I am expert with a magnifying glass "bug laser", but fire is often needed on a cloudy day. Those flameless "storm proof" lighters are an excellent way to become familiar with regret and loss- like the loss of your toes from frostbite.
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Douglas Alpenstock wrote:Phil, I've seen those Coghlan's waterproof matches but never tried them. How do they hold up in the long term?
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Butane Lighters
Granted, these have a waste problem, but you'll find Bic's in my pocket and scattered through my gear. And yes, they will work in freezing conditions -- just warm them in your hand for half a minute and shake vigorously.
Long term storage is possible. Here's the rub: exposed to moisture in the air, the manufactured flint will slowly swell to the point where the spring underneath can't push it up to meet the rotary striker. Sometimes you can whack the base hard on a brick and it will come free.
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Jim Garlits wrote:I wish we could go back to the days when most dudes carried a Zippo in their pocket. Heavier, but much more sustainable. Also a great introduction to how simple machines work.
Michael Cox wrote:That said, if I wanted a guaranteed - light anywhere, under any conditions - firestarter I would probably go for a magnesium ferro rod. I bought a couple of large chunky ones from amazon a few years ago. They have a lovely soft metal. You can make a pile a metal shavings in a few seconds with the spine of your knife, and then a strike will ignite the pile. They are more work than the convenience of matches/butane etc... but I trust that with time and care I would always be able to get that initial spark going.
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Douglas Alpenstock wrote:
Michael, do you mean the magnesium blocks with the flint striker on the side? I played with those many years ago and found them a frustrating gimmick that required ideal conditions. Perhaps they have improved since then?
I do have a few of the Ferrocerium flint striker rods in various kits as the last layer of backup. They throw a big, hot shower of sparks and last a long time. The kindling has to be correctly prepared though, or commercial kindling balls used. I'm told you can feather out the wick of a candle and light it with a ferro rod but haven't tried it yet. For storage, they are vulnerable to degradation by moisture and especially sea air -- that's why they ship with a layer of paint on the outside. Ferro rods would work well to light wood stoves and such on a homestead -- light kindling in a tuna can and slide it under the larger stuff.
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Michael Cox wrote:This is the style of my preferred one.
Amazon - ferrorod
Douglas Alpenstock wrote:
Michael Cox wrote:That said, if I wanted a guaranteed - light anywhere, under any conditions - firestarter I would probably go for a magnesium ferro rod. I bought a couple of large chunky ones from amazon a few years ago. They have a lovely soft metal. You can make a pile a metal shavings in a few seconds with the spine of your knife, and then a strike will ignite the pile. They are more work than the convenience of matches/butane etc... but I trust that with time and care I would always be able to get that initial spark going.
Michael, do you mean the magnesium blocks with the flint striker on the side? I played with those many years ago and found them a frustrating gimmick that required ideal conditions. Perhaps they have improved since then?
I do have a few of the Ferrocerium flint striker rods in various kits as the last layer of backup. They throw a big, hot shower of sparks and last a long time. The kindling has to be correctly prepared though, or commercial kindling balls used. I'm told you can feather out the wick of a candle and light it with a ferro rod but haven't tried it yet. For storage, they are vulnerable to degradation by moisture and especially sea air -- that's why they ship with a layer of paint on the outside. Ferro rods would work well to light wood stoves and such on a homestead -- light kindling in a tuna can and slide it under the larger stuff.
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C. Letellier wrote:Something to be aware of is there are a lot of imports that the "magesium" is instead an alloy of metals mostly aluminum and nearly totally worthless for fire starting. A good ferro rod and real magnesium is effective.
Tim Siemens wrote:Good post. I like matches, but like you, I have found the degrade over time. Has anyone found a good storage option to keep matches viable in the long term? Perhaps I will need to do some experiments.
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