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Angela Wilcox wrote:Thank you, Leigh for this breakdown. I never knew!
So, to clarify for example, I would use for a pan of biscuits:
1 teaspoon baking soda
2 teaspoons honey
1 teaspoon arrowroot
Is that correct?
Should I mix the baking soda and arrowroot together first, then add the honey so it does not neutralize?
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greg mosser wrote:leigh, do you cover your baking-with-ashes experiments in the book?
greg mosser wrote:i’m not leigh, but it doesn’t seem like you need the arrowroot if it’s just going straight in the biscuits? maybe i’m missing something.
leigh, do you cover your baking-with-ashes experiments in the book?
Jenny Wright wrote:But then I noticed that my recipes didn't quite turn out the same if I left out the starch. Things turn out more as expected when I include the starch in my baking soda and cream of tartar mix. My hypothesis is that most recipe developers are using commercial baking powder and that teaspoon or so of extra starch into the recipe does make a difference in texture. So when I make up my own recipes, I leave out the starch, but when I'm using someone else's recipe, I add it in to get the expected result.
Jenny Wright wrote:Another thing I've noticed is that I get a better rise when I'm using cream of tartar and baking soda if I mix them together first before I mix it into the rest of my dry ingredients. I don't know why but it's pretty noticeable difference in my cakes. If my acid is a wet ingredient, I don't mix them together first; I just mix the wet and dry separately like normal and then combine. And it turns out fine.
Jenny Wright wrote:Did you know that biscuits baked with just baking soda turn bright orange and taste like metal? 😂 😂 😂 It's because of the chemical reaction that occurs with heat when the baking soda hasn't reacted with an acid.
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Jenny Wright wrote:But then I noticed that my recipes didn't quite turn out the same if I left out the starch. Things turn out more as expected when I include the starch in my baking soda and cream of tartar mix. My hypothesis is that most recipe developers are using commercial baking powder and that teaspoon or so of extra starch into the recipe does make a difference in texture. So when I make up my own recipes, I leave out the starch, but when I'm using someone else's recipe, I add it in to get the expected result.
Interesting, and something I've never noticed in my own baking, probably because the ratio of starch in baking powder compared to flour would be pretty small. I do notice a difference in texture depending on the kinds of flours I use, for example, white, versus whole wheat, versus oat flour, versus rice flour, versus gluten-free
So, I reasoned, since baking soda is cheaper and easier to find than cream of tartar, what can I substitute for cream of tartar and get the same results?
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Joylynn Hardesty wrote:According to my Google search, vinegar is 2 to 3 on the acidity scale. I am wondering how pine needle tea might work for leavening. The needles themselves are reputed to be around 3.8.
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Leigh Tate wrote:Since we've been discussing How To Bake Without Baking Powder this week, I thought it might be fun to start a thread where we can share recipes and experiments.
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Gail Gardner wrote:Ok, so baking soda is a leavener, but too much doesn't taste good. Adding apple cider vinegar or any other acidic ingredient (lemon juice, lime juice, etc.) plus a natural sweetener (molasses, sorghum, honey, sugar) will help baked goods rise.
I don't know what the mechanism is for it, but if you bake with duck eggs things rise super high. When I put duck eggs in my bread machine bread recipe I had to cut the flour back TWICE because it was hitting the top window!
If you can get them, use duck eggs. In comparison to chicken eggs, duck eggs are larger and have a higher percentage of yolk. They contain more fat and protein, which means richer, fluffier, moister baked goods which rise better than those baked with chicken eggs. According to ChefJamie Oliver, the denser albumen in duck eggs gives gluten-free baked goods better structure.
Duck eggs can be substituted one for one in recipes. Because they have a lower water content than chicken eggs, no other adjustment is necessary.
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Michelle Heath wrote:So this thread has piqued my interest as I mistakenly assumed the book would simply have sourdough or similar leavening agents instead of baking powder. I guess its true that you're never too old to learn something new.
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Lauren Ritz wrote:I need to do some experiments now. Tartar is the crystaline substance that collects on the inside of wine bottles. I have also found it in grape juice, and it apparently precipitates out when the juice gets very cold or freezes.
I have a bottle of it that I've saved from opened bottles of grape juice, now I need to find out if it works!
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Well, the tartar did foam up with the baking soda (in water). First step. So next is to try baking with it. The pictures are the top side and under side of one with a clear crystaline structure. These came out of concord grape juice and were rinsed, so likely LOTS of impurities.Leigh Tate wrote:
Lauren Ritz wrote:I need to do some experiments now. Tartar is the crystaline substance that collects on the inside of wine bottles. I have also found it in grape juice, and it apparently precipitates out when the juice gets very cold or freezes.
I have a bottle of it that I've saved from opened bottles of grape juice, now I need to find out if it works!
Lauren, I would be really interested in how this works out. Please give us an update after you experiment!
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My understanding (and it may be entirely incorrect) is that a lot of these things were used during famines to bulk up scarce food. It was probably such a situation when someone noticed that the bread rose better.Jenny Wright wrote:But who was the first person to decide to scrape off the crystallized residue in a wine barrel to use it for food. Or the ash water! Who first said, Hey save me some of the ashes from the fire so I can make a cake! Or to grind up an antler- that sounds like such a lot of work!
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Oh that makes a lot of sense. I can definitely see that happening.Lauren Ritz wrote:
My understanding (and it may be entirely incorrect) is that a lot of these things were used during famines to bulk up scarce food. It was probably such a situation when someone noticed that the bread rose better.Jenny Wright wrote:But who was the first person to decide to scrape off the crystallized residue in a wine barrel to use it for food. Or the ash water! Who first said, Hey save me some of the ashes from the fire so I can make a cake! Or to grind up an antler- that sounds like such a lot of work!
I got a mortar and pestle today, so that should work better than trying to use the back of a spoon. :)Leigh Tate wrote:Lauren, that pancake rose beautifully! So, basically what you need is a way to grind it to a fine powder. Other than that, excellent results!
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John Picton wrote:It may be a differentiation in the Land Across the Pond, but my understanding is that baking powder and baking soda are of the same chemical composition. Does anyone agree, disagree or able to illuminate?
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