BB clarification thread

2 questions about the content (or lack thereof), of badge bits for larger-scale solar, like larger than the small DC solar system, but not mobile like the solar leviathan?

Where could I find normal carpentry tasks, like framing or hanging a door, or installing a window? Framing a wall? Building (framing) a house?

Thanks

As for Q1, I don't know of any BBs for larger solar systems. I think that would fall into Oddball.

For Q2 there is a lot of traditional carpentry in the PEM system, but not in PEP that I'm aware of.  Permaculture Experience according to Mike

About what counts as foraging...https://permies.com/wiki/108155/pep-foraging/PEP-Badge-Foraging#884552 says:

Apples from a neighbor don’t count here.   Apples from a homestead that has been abandoned for at least five years do count.  Apples oddly growing in a place where there has never been any cultivation counts too (probably a discarded apple core led to the tree).   Apples that are the result of forage gardening count too.

I'm considering the case where the county plants apple trees in parks so that anyone who wants them can come pick apples but they aren't given a lot of attention (like windfalls are left on the ground to rot). I think that counts as "apples that are the result of forage gardening" but none of these terms have hard definitions (maybe intentionally).

Anyway, I'm wondering if that scenario counts as foraging for purposes of PEP. I want to avoid the appearance of pulling a fast one, but if it does count, it would be a relatively easy source for me.

I think that since it's generally considered a tended space (the park), that would seem too much like a cultivated tree to be easy to approve

Mike Barkley wrote:I see what happened Sean. The way to prevent this sort of thing in the future is once a rejected BB is updated by editing it needs to be re-selected as a BB. That will alert reviewers that it is ready to look at again. The button is sort of hidden. Push the three dots (...) to find that. If you can't find the button just edit the original post then use the report button. That will minimize the possibility of a lingering deduction or waiting too long for another review.

I noticed there was a similar situation with your hugel BB so I corrected that by deselecting the first one as a BB.

Is there a time limit on this? I have an old BB (slaughter/clean quail) that was marked edge case a couple years ago for a missing description which I edited to add. Would I need to take new pictures and redo it entirely at this point? It would look very different by now, being in a new location where I can do it indoors, so maybe it's worth the inconvenience of pausing for photos to show how my process has changed over time?

I don't think there is a time limit but fresh pix can't hurt.

I think the current stance is we'd rather have a second submission so that the failed one stays there as a lesson and the new one shows what you changed to make it pass muster.

I agree with Christopher.  A completely new submission is easier to  certify.  The original submission can be converted to an ordinary post.  We have had occasions where a BB submission goes over 2 - 3 posts and the submission becomes confused.

The thing that you can do, and I suggest, is to have a list of requirements at the beginning of the BB or printed beside you to ensure that each proof is met.  We can only certify what we can see.  Certifiers cannot make assumptions about your content or intent.  Certifiers can be from anywhere in the world and may not have your language as their first language.  It is important not to use abbreviations or local jargon (words).  Best wishes

OK, this is an "area vs dimensions" question in the Textiles department.

https://permies.com/wiki/102584/pep-textiles/Sew-small-pillow-PEP-BB

- Be at least 10x10 inches

So 10 x 10 = 100 square inches

My DiL is from Punjab and apparently, their culture prizes a pillow stuffed with mustard seed for cradling a newborn's head. I have been asked to sew the "containment" for the seed, and I'll make a couple of pillow cases for over it.

I have been asked to make it 8 1/2 x 12 which equals 102 square inches.

There was a discussion at one point about how big a round pillow needed to be to meet the requirement but it was after the fact and declared to be too small.

A quick glance suggests that the pillows are generally a minimum of 10" in each direction.

If the decision is against, I am fine with it. My DiL's cousin is a sweet lady and her first child is due in a month, so she's getting this pillow whether I can use it for a BB or not!

In the food prep and preservation BB, there are 2 tasks that specifically list the number of meals to qualify for their levels and the "meal" is defined as 500 calories.

Can I get some clarity on whether this metric is truly based on caloric content, or if it's based on the number of plates prepared?

None of my meals have been in the 500 calorie range since I was probably a toddler, & I'm in my early 60's now...  I eat very well and by most folks standards, they seem to think I eat a lot (although I'm pretty close to the same weight I was in 1989,when I was in the best shape of my life and getting out of the military).

Link to bb?

Jay Angler wrote:OK, this is an "area vs dimensions" question in the Textiles department.

https://permies.com/wiki/102584/pep-textiles/Sew-small-pillow-PEP-BB

- Be at least 10x10 inches

So 10 x 10 = 100 square inches
...
I have been asked to make it 8 1/2 x 12 which equals 102 square inches.
...
A quick glance suggests that the pillows are generally a minimum of 10" in each direction.

If the decision is against, I am fine with it.

Thanks for being understanding, Jay. The pillow does need to be 10" or greater in each dimension.

r ransom wrote:Link to bb?

Badge bit - wood
badge bit - iron

Allen Jackson wrote:

r ransom wrote:Link to bb?

Badge bit - wood
badge bit - iron

Okay, I remember some of this.  "'plate" being 500 calories was definitely the main meal of the day factor.  It's on the lower end of what most traditions consider a main meal.  I think it's a good metric for those badges considering that Wood is about the equivalent of doing a Masters Degree and Iron would be a Dr degree if this stuff was taught at uni.  So these BB's are held to a higher standard than the earlier ones.

That said, a lot of people seem to confuse what their real life is and what the homework is.  Like when I took art class, the other students often complain the assignments aren't what they want to paint.  I asked them, "why not paint what you want at home?" and they look at me as if the only place they can paint is class and the only thing they are allowed to paint is what the teacher assigned.  I suspect you can submit the BB to the letter of what's written and eat what you want that day, and then save the rest for tomorrow.  

r ransom wrote: Okay, I remember some of this.  "'plate" being 500 calories was definitely the main meal of the day factor.  It's on the lower end of what most traditions consider a main meal.  

I remember going on a trip with my sister. We'd order 1 salad and 1 main meal and and split each plate! So yes, meet the requirements and call what you don't want to eat at a single meal, "planned overs"!

So to be clear, I should be spitting up the food into smaller portions, for record-keeping sake? (And get more dishes dirty in the process?)

It's up to you what you do after taking the photos needed for the BB.  So long as the submission matches the requirement of the BB.  

You can also take a picture of your 900 Calorie plate, no problem! (No extra dirty dishes!)

Thanks, although my breakfast is typically about 2000 calories (yes, for 1 meal), but when I get to where I can realistically start collecting data for those badge bits (locally grown/organic), I will be weighing the plates with each item on them, like I did for my doctor. I'll see how it goes, and play it by ear from there.

Thanks!

The high level food prep BBs were massaged to say "a plate averaging at least 500 calories".  So a 800 calorie meal is just fine.  A 1800 calorie meal could be split into three plates of food.  A thanksgiving dinner for 12 people only gets you credit for 12 plates that day, meals made of the leftovers do count in future days.

r ransom wrote:

Allen Jackson wrote:Is this the thread I should have posted in for my correction of the BB in question?:
https://permies.com/wiki/140481/pep-electricity/Charge-Carry-lithium-battery-power

There's a technical error in the BB requirements as listed, because the 30 amp RV outlet in question isn't 220 Vac, and even in the YouTube video example presented, Jehu Garcia didn't use a 220 Vac outlet (or an inverter capable of producing 220 Vac).  He did clarify that in the comments later, as someone asked about it.

I've asked the SKIP team to review this.  It's not a fast process, especially on a holiday weekend.

Was there any resolution on this?  I'm working on building one, and I'd like to know how to adjust for compatibility with both the BB requirements and my actual use cases.

At the very least, can the requirements be corrected to remove the "220 volt" part?  That's the part that's both impossible with the original parts used in the example given, and not even accurate to the what the visible components are.

My explanation is here:
https://permies.com/t/320/210060/skills-inherit-property/BB-clarification-thread#3759092

And I have other questions about the same BB - can such a device be made to be modular and break down into smaller components for travel/ease of transport by folk with less physical strength, or does it have to be all in the same container?

If we don't have or plan to ever get an RV that uses a 30 amp travel trailer plug, can we substitute a different 30 amp outlet, or skip it entirely?