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I'm new here (new to posting, I've been lurking for a while) and traditionally come out as INFJ, which has always sounded right. But I just took the test linked in this thread and came out INFP-T.

Now off to learn things I didn't know about me. :)

Yeah, now that I've read about the INFP, I think INFJ fits me better. Maybe I go back and forth between the two, but there's something in INFP about my friends relying on my "rosy outlook" and I don't know if I have a rosy outlook.
 
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I'm ISTJ which, according to the test is only 9% of the population. All of my family is glad that there aren't more people like me, but the blurb about ISTJs doesn't sound half bad.
This is what it says ...

ISTJs make up about 9% of the population

   Honest and direct
   Decisive, efficient, and systematic
   Dedicated and responsible
   Strong-willed
   Organized and reliable
   Value tradition and stability
   Committed and trustworthy

I suppose some of this is arguable ...
 
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My test comes out either INFP or ENFP so I'm either Idealist Healer or Idealist Champion, depending on my day. These names are from Keirsey's Temperament sorter in his book Please Understand Me (Part II). Keirsey uses the Myer-Briggs temperament types as basis but has modified the descriptions a bit, based on his own investigations. Both descriptions fit me very well.

Keirsey defines temperament so that it describes where a person's interests mainly lie and what motivates them. There is a feedback between interest and ability, in that we tend to become good at what we are interested in. But it doesn't necessarily follow that since I'm interested in, say, communication and diplomacy, that I am excellent in both. I will continue to work on those however, and will probably never stop trying to get better.

Excerpts from Keirsey

Healer

"To the INFP healing means mending those divisions that plague one's private life and one's relationships. It means treating oneself and relating to others in a conciliatory manner, helping to restore lost unity." -
"These Healers present a tranquil and noticably pleasant face to the world,  but while to all appearances they might seem gentle and easy-going, on the inside they are anything but serene, having a capacity for caring not usually found in other types. Healers care deeply - passionately - about a few special persons or a favorite cause, and their fervent aim is to bring peace to the world and wholeness to themselves and their loved ones."  

"They are patient with complicated situations, but impatient with routine details."

Champion

"ENFPs are keen and penetrating observers of the people around them, and are capable of intense concentration on another individual. Their attention is never passive or casual, never wandering, but always directed. In fact, seeing life as a exciting drama pregnant with possibilities for good and evil, Champions ten to be hypersensitive and hyperalert, always ready for emergencies, and because of this they may suffer from muscle tension.

They are characteristically positive in their outlook, and are surprised when people or events do not turn out as anticipated. Often their confidence in the innate goodness of life and human nature is a self-fulling prophecy."
 
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I was an INTJ way back when I took this for school, but having just taken it again looks like I've slipped into an INTP.  My I and N are very strong, my T is relatively strong and my P/J is pretty balanced now.  I'll have to take it again in 20 years and see what has happened to me!
 
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I tested myself couple a years ago and I tested my now and yes,still an INFJ.
 
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INTJ & ISTJ.  Ha.  Can there be two?  This is from the last PET at St. Pete College.
 
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Catherine Windrose:Yeah, you can be more than one, I bounce around between them, always have NT in the middle, E-I and F-J  shift around. It comes down to, for me, the mood I'm in when I take it, and how the words on the questions hit me that day.
 
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I was puzzled by "introvert".  If I start talking about an interest, it's like the energizer bunny on steroids and it's hard to slow down until someone's eyes begin to glaze over. Then I catch it and pause for awhile, or the rest of the conversation.  

On the other hand, more often there is a tendency to keep to myself and a finicky sort of caution around many people face-to-face ^.^  Past stuff, probably.  My feet make a liar of something within though :=)

Years ago at a dance club, someone asked why I was doing the wallflower act, hanging back on the sidelines.  I told him the blunt truth.  As much as I enjoyed ballroom dancing I don't like the phoniness attached to it.  That facade a lot of people feign with country or ballroom, and everything between.  

Dancing is like music, imo.  Just there to be enjoyed with enthusiasm exuding from the soul.  Like salsa get togethers where family, friends, neighbors, passersby... of all ages and walks of life, together on a dance floor eating, drinking, chatting, and dancing simultaneously.  There is an energy in all that, that rivals the black gospel singers in a small church I used to drive past on Sundays.  I'd sit in the parking lot and just listen.  2 hours felt like 10 minutes.  Dancing is about feeling that energy, for me.  Not who might be inclined to do things they otherwise wouldn't if they weren't out of their comfort zone with a facade.

Dancing is great for helping people step outside their comfort zones and share part of themselves in a fun, safe space.  When they dance, however they dance, that liberation in action is so much fun to watch.  Like butterflies flitting flower to flower.  And teaching group was great fun.  

However, practicing in public was a drag because there seemed to be an automatic personality switch between the studio on the way to the dance club by students, toward treating instructors like potential date or romantic opportunities.  It was weird.  Still miss the dancing though :.)  It was only the public aspect that was challenging.

Ugh.  Just noticed the judging in INTJ and ISTJ shining like a flashlight in my eyes.  Ouch.
 
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Catherine Windrose: I seem to be totally striped as far as introvert - extrovert goes. And when I dance (which I love to) I almost always dance alone, for about the same reasons you gave. And also because I tend to dance for myself, not trying to attract anyone.
 
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Nicole, everyone,

Oooooooo, goodie!!!

I love the Briggs-Meyers as well!  And I teach psychology so this is extra near and dear to my heart.  Personally, I am an INFP, but there is a substantial catch to this.  Nobody is grounded in one and only one of these personality types, they are more written in smoke signals than carved in stone.  Experience shapes our personality over time.  So while I gravitate towards INFP, I experience many/most of the other types as well.  I love exploring the intricacies of personality, and it is the dreamer in the INFP that draws me to Permies.

Eric
 
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@ Pearl Sutton:  Same.  At Treasure Island, FL, there is a drum circle that gathers every sunday in late afternoon until a little after dark.  Sometimes fire and hula hoop dancers come, often in costume.  Hundreds of people come from all over.  One day a 2-3? year old and I danced in the sand about 2 hours straight :-)  People came and went inside the dance circle, surrounded by all manner of drum instruments including paint buckets.  Rhythms changed.  Instruments came and went.  Pure flow.  That drum circle is the only thing I'll miss in Florida!  If weather holds I may go once more this coming weekend and take pictures.


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While staying with a Catholic religious community on a self sufficient farm in Canada, those of us visiting took this test and found out many of us were INFP. With that in mind, stumbling upon this apple poll left me one with burning question:

Is a certain personality type attracted to permaculture?

From the results of this poll, it seems that all of the IN-- personality types are heavily accounted for on this forum thread. (at least in the poll part, I did not read all the posts to see if they added up to the poll)

Of course, I find it very fun the people of my past on that Catholic farm would fit this permaculture mold (even though I had never heard of permaculture back then!)
 
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Couldn't help myself, wanted charts.

Here's the general population distribution from a quick search:


And here's our data as of today:
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Our Permies Community Distribution (as of today)
 
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It appears that working as an engineer for a few decades might have shifted my result....interesting.

Also, looks like our Permies family is heavily skewed towards intellectuals and visionaries....not surprising perhaps?
 
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Also VERY interesting that our 4 major types are the 4 that are least frequent in the general population...hmm.

Didn't you already know that we're a special group!
 
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just took the test for the first time in...decades, maybe? ISFJ, apparently.
 
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Wow! Looking at that population distribution chart (thanks for sharing!) I just can’t believe Permies are generally the least common personalities!

I wonder how this will direct the permaculture movement. If it is most appealing to a small percentage of the global population, how will we successfully go about spreading the message and passion for permaculture? Will we be stuck in only recruiting from this small group?

Or perhaps rather than a weakness, this is a strength. Surely almost all revolutionary ideas begin with the dreamers.

Or maybe it is not a matter to worry over at all, because our Permies sample is only measuring those who are attracted to Paul’s style of permaculture and may not accurately represent other permaculture followers who engage in other communities more.

Now, I’d be very interested to see if historical revolutionaries have been sparked by a certain personality type... no matter the nature of the revolution.
 
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Rebecca Blake wrote:Wow! Looking at that population distribution chart (thanks for sharing!) I just can’t believe Permies are generally the least common personalities!

I wonder how this will direct the permaculture movement. If it is most appealing to a small percentage of the global population, how will we successfully go about spreading the message and passion for permaculture? Will we be stuck in only recruiting from this small group?

Or perhaps rather than a weakness, this is a strength. Surely almost all revolutionary ideas begin with the dreamers.

Or maybe it is not a matter to worry over at all, because our Permies sample is only measuring those who are attracted to Paul’s style of permaculture and may not accurately represent other permaculture followers who engage in other communities more.

Now, I’d be very interested to see if historical revolutionaries have been sparked by a certain personality type... no matter the nature of the revolution.


Rebecca, I think you hit it on the head with innovations stemming from the dreamers.  I think every group is bringing something important to our society and the dreamers bring innovations like permaculture to the early adopters who then bring it to the larger group.  Here's the classic innovation diffusion model:


There are more evolved models too, which add things like a chasm that you have to get past to gain traction into the mainstream:


I think permaculture is in the early adopters stage and working towards or through the chasm right now (which I'm confident that we're going to succeed in jumping).
 
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Greg Martin wrote: Rebecca, I think you hit it on the head with innovations stemming from the dreamers.  I think every group is bringing something important to our society and the dreamers bring innovations like permaculture to the early adopters who then bring it to the larger group.  Here's the classic innovation diffusion model:


There are more evolved models too, which add things like a chasm that you have to get past to gain traction into the mainstream:


I think permaculture is in the early adopters stage and working towards or through the chasm right now (which I'm confident that we're going to succeed in jumping).



I had no idea these models existed! Very cool.

I’m curious, how do you think permaculture will make the jump from ‘scarcity’ to ‘social proof’ as is shown in second chart?
What’s your guess of how many % early adopters we have?

I definitely see how it is gaining traction, as I am new to permaculture (came due to Covid) but even then I have gotten 3 friends very excited about it! Perhaps it’s the times bringing us to permaculture. If that’s the case, now is better than ever to jump the chasm.
 
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INTP, here. In good company with Warf, Yoda, Hermione Granger and Sherlock Holmes. Possibly also Gandalf, although there seems to be some discussion of where he fits.
 
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Andrea Locke wrote:INTP, here. In good company with Warf, Yoda, Hermione Granger and Sherlock Holmes. Possibly also Gandalf, although there seems to be some discussion of where he fits.



I’m an INTP and like Gandalf myself, so I declare he’s an INTP. Because you know, my word is the official authority.
 
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Have you tried the enneagram?
I love it more. Im a type 2 wing 9.

And I'm an INFPT.

https://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/test
 
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Rebecca Blake wrote:
I’m curious, how do you think permaculture will make the jump from ‘scarcity’ to ‘social proof’ as is shown in second chart?
What’s your guess of how many % early adopters we have?

I definitely see how it is gaining traction, as I am new to permaculture (came due to Covid) but even then I have gotten 3 friends very excited about it! Perhaps it’s the times bringing us to permaculture. If that’s the case, now is better than ever to jump the chasm.



Hmmm Rebecca....I really don't have a decent answer.  I'd love to see some data on that and did a little searching, but didn't find much that felt compelling to me.  It's hard because in my life everyone that knows me knows what Permaculture is to some level and several friends have become permaculturists, but that doesn't really tell me much about overall diffusion.  I don't really even know what percentage of society would equal 100%.  I think that means that 100% are being fed by permaculture practices, so not sure how many permaculturists will be needed to get there.  Your question is really great and I'd love to hear other's take on this.  My spin on it is that it will best be measured in acres with the migration of farming practices in steps from where we are today to what looks like a reflection of natural biosystems....that and a return of much farm acreage back to wild space due to large yield increases.
 
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INFJ
Interesting, 1% in population and most abundant among permies.
 
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Mine says ISFJ-T.
 
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My brother did his Master's Thesis on this.  His conclusion:

NTs make the world go 'round
NFs give it a reason to do so
 
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I love this survey!

Being a psychology teacher, I use a version of this in class and it takes about a week to take the survey and go over all the results.  We do not cover all 16 individual types, but focus on the four basic groups--SP's, SJ's, NT's, NF's.  Every year, without fail, students are amazed at how accurately the analysis describes their own personality.

I love it!

Eric
 
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Eric Hanson wrote:I love this survey!

Being a psychology teacher, I use a version of this in class and it takes about a week to take the survey and go over all the results.  We do not cover all 16 individual types, but focus on the four basic groups--SP's, SJ's, NT's, NF's.  Every year, without fail, students are amazed at how accurately the analysis describes their own personality.

I love it!

Eric



Hi Eric,

I’m interested to know why SP, SJ, NT and NF are the basic groups. Surely, all parts of a personality are important?
 
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INFJ-T

I'm still not entirely certain what the T is for.
 
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INFP -A
I suspect if I had taken this test earlier in my life I would have been more INFP-T, but I've gained more confidence, and happiness as I've got older.
 
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Iam an ISFJ-T
 
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Helen,

You ask a really good, simple question with an incredibly complicated, convoluted answer.  I will try to answer with sufficient detain, but not so much that I drown you.

But first, yes, all part of a person's personality are important.  But right there we have a problem.  What exactly defines parameters of a personality?  Tests and surveys of these sorts necessarily put limits on aspects of personality to prevent the test/survey from spiraling out of control.  But how many parts and pieces are there to personality and how do we collectively stack them up against each other?  These are the simple questions to ask that unfortunately have unclear and ambiguous answers.

But I will give my cliff-notes version of what the 4 broad personality types mean and what the individual letters stand for.

SP--Sensing & Perceiving     SP personalities are typically:
*Action oriented--Like physically doing things as opposed to thinking/planning things
*Hands on
*Have a need for tools
*Impulsive
*Tend to make friends in groups
*"Grass is greener"  Have little difficulty moving when opportunity presents itself
*Tend to work very hard, especially with tools, etc. (tools actually become an extension of one's self and can be a screwdriver or a soup spoon or other item)
*Tend to be competitive

SJ--Sensing & Judging      SJ personalities typically are
*Traditional & conservative (this is not a political statement)
*Need structure
*Organize
*Work well in organizations and structured environments
*Become the backbone and unsung heroes of many organizations (think of what would happen to a school if it had no secretary)
*Become obligated--can't say no when asked to accept responsibility
*Inner monologue dominated by "Should", "Ought to", "Supposed to", "Meant to" etc.
*Get "institutionalized"--once they become a part of an institution, they will not leave for anything

NT--Intuitive Thinkers       NT personalities are typically
*"concrete dreamers"--they get lost in thought about puzzles and mysteries that are tangible but challenging (prove a subatomic particle with no mass exists)
*May be socially oblivious--probably the least concerned with clothing fashions--dress specifically with what is comfortable or functional.  Nothing flashy
*Least outwardly emotional
*Drawn to intellectual challenges
*"Absent minded professor"
*Commonly drawn to Math and Sciences

NF--Intuitive Feelers      NF personalities are typically
*Sky-blue dreamers (no limits on their imaginations)
*IDEALISTS
*Prone to wander--sometimes physically, sometimes intellectually
*Prone to daydreaming/fantasy
*Have a capacity for mimicry--of other types--this is complicated
 *If the dream/ideal requires, the NF might temporarily mimic any other personality type
   *To the ultimate degree
   *Only for a short time
*Being so idealistic, NF's set themselves up for disappointment--how can reality ever possibly match a really elaborate fantasy
*Commonly drawn to arts, literature, philosophy, any/all liberal arts, causes, Permies, etc.

Helen, everyone,  What I just summarized is just that, a summary.  It gets a LOT more complicated but that gets much too long for a postable level.  Also, no-one is one of these types to the exclusion of others.  We are all of these types, but we tend to gravitate towards one or two, but even that changes on the situation.  Personally, I am an INFP or simply, an NF.  But as a teacher I am a pretty strong NT.  

Also, it might be tempted to look at these 4 types and say that you must fit in one of these groups.  I would say it is more like a compass and a map.  A compass has 4 cardinal directions, but given a map and those 4 cardinal directions and you can find yourself anywhere on earth.  Mind you, this is just an analogy and an imperfect one at that (but, it turns out that NF's like to use analogies!).  But I think it is an apt comparison.



I hope this is helpful and at least partially answers some of your questions.  If you have any more, feel free to fire away and I will answer as I can.



Eric
 
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Thank you, Eric. I’m ENFP. So, yes I do live in my dreams but I do also achieve things, sometimes 😊
 
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Glad it helps Helen.

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I guess I've been abducted by space aliens. So unprofessional. They tried to probe me with this tiny ad:
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