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Any ideas for natural fabric underpants?

 
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I am currently wearing out my panties which are made of some fake man-made fabric like polyester that is washing into our waterways and polluting the environment and killing the marine life.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/27/washing-clothes-releases-water-polluting-fibres-study-finds

I refuse to buy any more until I can find something that is 100% natural and compostable (is that a word?). The need is somewhat urgent as the current pairs of panties I have are getting threadbare but I will wear them until they are g-strings, if necessary.

Going commando is not an option. Or is it?

Any ideas? Options?

Thanks.

Sheila



 
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Cotton, linen and silk. Real rubber is both natural and biodegradable though I don't know if that's the standard material in elastics these days. There are actually some people who use ties or buttons on their undergarments.

A quick search on Google for all natural lingerie qickly produces several articles about companies that specialize in this area, such as this one http://www.thegoodtrade.com/features/ethical-lingerie-brands

Some of these companies recycle fabric to keep it out of the waste stream, so you will still need to pay some attention if you want to keep to natural fibers. Others only work with natural materials.  Maybe having particular brand names will help you find a local source,  if you're uncomfortable trusting online shopping for a comfortable fit.
 
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Can you sew?  Here is a very simple pattern for pants, which can be made to fit using a drawstring:  http://www.renaissancetailor.com/demos_recpants.htm

This has become my favorite pattern for shorts, and it could be modified to make comfy undies for wear under loose pants or skirts.
 
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Casie Becker wrote:Cotton, linen and silk. Real rubber is both natural and biodegradable though I don't know if that's the standard material in elastics these days. There are actually some people who use ties or buttons on their undergarments.

A quick search on Google for all natural lingerie qickly produces several articles about companies that specialize in this area, such as this one http://www.thegoodtrade.com/features/ethical-lingerie-brands

Some of these companies recycle fabric to keep it out of the waste stream, so you will still need to pay some attention if you want to keep to natural fibers. Others only work with natural materials.  Maybe having particular brand names will help you find a local source,  if you're uncomfortable trusting online shopping for a comfortable fit.



Thanks for the help. I am going through the companies listed at the Good Trade site and haven't yet found a 100% natural pantie. I will keep looking.
 
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Tyler Ludens wrote:Can you sew?  Here is a very simple pattern for pants, which can be made to fit using a drawstring:  http://www.renaissancetailor.com/demos_recpants.htm

This has become my favorite pattern for shorts, and it could be modified to make comfy undies for wear under loose pants or skirts.



No, I don't sew but perhaps it is time to start.

Love the pattern you shared. Looks like something I might be able to do.

Thanks much.
 
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In general I find it much easier to sew by hand than with a machine, so if you don't have a machine or can't borrow one, you don't need to buy one!
 
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Sheila Mleziva wrote:Going commando is not an option. Or is it?



Since no one else seems to have addressed this particular option, I will. I've been "going commando" for over 30 years and will continue to do so until I die. The way I see it, there is absolutely no reason to wear a second layer of clothing on any part of your body unless you need it for warmth or protection of some kind. That is especially true in the genital area because of all places on your body, air circulation is most important there. I used to get yeast infections and bladder infections all the time when I was younger -- due, I think, to wearing nylon underclothes for so much of my life. When I eliminated undies altogether, I stopped getting infections. I think most people wear underwear simply because our culture tells us we have to. But when you think about it, there really are no good reasons for it at all. (Except in some very specific situations such as to hold a sanitary pad or something along those lines, but even then, it isn't just because you need underwear but because it is performing a necessary function.) If modesty or self-consciousness dictates that you MUST wear underwear, I would at least opt for the old-fashioned "drawers" worn by our ancestors (and many religious sects like the Amish, Mennonites and others of that sort). They are lightweight cotton bloomers or loose shorts (like men's boxers) that allow more natural air circulation.

If you can't find someone to make them for you and don't want to sew, you could always go for something along these lines. Underworks women's 100% cotton underwear. A bit pricey, and the narrow elastic at the waist may or may not be natural, but they look comfy.
 
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Until the late 18th century, women typically wore no underpants.  
 
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Deb Stephens wrote:

Sheila Mleziva wrote:Going commando is not an option. Or is it?



I've been "going commando" for over 30 years



Thanks so much for 'fessing up!  I totally agree with your point of view. We have been sold a 'bill of goods' in not only lingerie but in many areas of 'hygiene'.

Have you ever had any situations over the past 30 years in which 'going commando' caused an issue? Like, hmm, bugs or ticks in the nether regions?

Do you wear pants or skirts?

Thanks.

 
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I searched for "elastic-free underwear." I discovered two things.

(1) The elastic is usually made of latex, which is not plastic and is biodegradable. So, not terrible!

(2) I found 100% cotton underwear, some with drawstrings and some without.

Here's the link to the women's underwear. https://www.cottonique.com/collections/womens-bottoms

Here's the bikini underwear, made of organic cotton, no latex or spandex https://www.cottonique.com/collections/womens-bottoms/products/womens-bikini-2-pack

 
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This reminded me of an article I bookmarked a few years ago about fundoshi (traditional Japanese underpants) for women.  They look like they'd be pretty easy to sew, and a good way of upcycling anything like old t-shirts or bed sheets.

I also saw an article in the (now long-defunct) magazine Craft: about using your favorite underwear as a pattern to sew your own from recycled t-shirts.  It was basically just tracing each panel and adding a seam allowance, and I think the elastic was just zig-zag stitched on.  There are probably like a million different tutorials out there to do it, I think it was a "thing" like 10 years ago when trendy people were all over recycling last year's unfashionable t-shirts.

And here's a free printable pattern for mini bloomers.  You need to create a login with an email address to download the .zip file to get the pattern.

Personally, I like to go commando when I wear skirts, but I stopped doing that in public after I accidentally flashed a kid and probably scarred him for life (it was a calf-length skirt, too, but it got caught on a box I was lifting and it was comedic and mortifying and I still wonder if that kid grew up to think I was some pervert).  I don't like going without when I wear any kind of pants (except boxer shorts or super loose pajamas) because it's just physically uncomfortable for me, especially the seam of jeans, and also because I need to wash the clothes more often.  With underwear, I typically wear jeans a full week without washing (the jeans, not my bits!).  Without, I don't even like having them on a second day because I don't want bladder infections, which I used to get a lot more of when I was in my "totally commando all the time" phase in my mid-20s.  Everyone's undercarriage is different, though--try it a few times and see if you like it.  
 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:I searched for "elastic-free underwear." I discovered two things.

(1) The elastic is usually made of latex, which is not plastic and is biodegradable. So, not terrible!

(2) I found 100% cotton underwear, some with drawstrings and some without.

Here's the link to the women's underwear. https://www.cottonique.com/collections/womens-bottoms

Here's the bikini underwear, made of organic cotton, no latex or spandex https://www.cottonique.com/collections/womens-bottoms/products/womens-bikini-2-pack



These might be just what I am looking for, Nicole. Thanks for the share.

 
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S Tonin wrote:This reminded me of an article I bookmarked a few years ago about fundoshi (traditional Japanese underpants) for women.  They look like they'd be pretty easy to sew, and a good way of upcycling anything like old t-shirts or bed sheets.

I also saw an article in the (now long-defunct) magazine Craft: about using your favorite underwear as a pattern to sew your own from recycled t-shirts.  It was basically just tracing each panel and adding a seam allowance, and I think the elastic was just zig-zag stitched on.  There are probably like a million different tutorials out there to do it, I think it was a "thing" like 10 years ago when trendy people were all over recycling last year's unfashionable t-shirts.

And here's a free printable pattern for mini bloomers.  You need to create a login with an email address to download the .zip file to get the pattern.



Thanks for the info!

Personally, I like to go commando when I wear skirts, but I stopped doing that in public after I accidentally flashed a kid and probably scarred him for life (it was a calf-length skirt, too, but it got caught on a box I was lifting and it was comedic and mortifying and I still wonder if that kid grew up to think I was some pervert)



OMG, too funny and embarrassing!  

I don't like going without when I wear any kind of pants (except boxer shorts or super loose pajamas) because it's just physically uncomfortable for me, especially the seam of jeans, and also because I need to wash the clothes more often.  With underwear, I typically wear jeans a full week without washing (the jeans, not my bits!).  Without, I don't even like having them on a second day because I don't want bladder infections, which I used to get a lot more of when I was in my "totally commando all the time" phase in my mid-20s.  Everyone's undercarriage is different, though--try it a few times and see if you like it.  



I would rather wash my underwear daily vs my pants so I am tending against the commando thing.

Ideally, 100% hemp would be the best.

Thanks for your great input-  and the laugh!
 
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ok, I tried the commando thing and was liking it until I had an intensive gardening session on a hot day at the community garden, going commando and wearing just shorts, t-shirt. I sweat like a pig, even in my groin area. Well, it looked like I wet my pants! Yikes.

Thankfully, I was the only one in the garden that day!

If I do go commando, I will try it wearing a skirt.
 
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The Japanese cotton panties versions, are the only pants listed on here to date that are totally made from cotton.

The pattern shown for the mini bloomers could become 100% cotton if you folded the material at the top of the mini bloomers over a couple of inches and sewed around leaving a gap at the front. This would create a hollow band a material tie could be threaded through to act as a belt at the waist, or you could use button tabs on each side of the panties that would help them sit flat, instead of using the elastic they currently have.

All the others saying they are 100% cotton are not. Cotton DOES NOT STRETCH naturally or have "give in the fabric. Those panties show that they cling to the body so they MUST have some type of lycra or similar stretch fabric incorporated into the cotton, wool, silk or bamboo fabric, otherwise they could not cling to your shape like these are shown to. Not so ethical as they claim to be, but many people get sucked in by the word "ethical".
 
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Hello! Long-time (hobby) seamstress, medium-time lurker, first-time poster, so please excuse any inadvertent faux pas.

Annette Jones wrote:All the others saying they are 100% cotton are not. Cotton DOES NOT STRETCH naturally or have "give in the fabric. Those panties show that they cling to the body so they MUST have some type of lycra or similar stretch fabric incorporated into the cotton, wool, silk or bamboo fabric, otherwise they could not cling to your shape like these are shown to.


You're right that the Japanese loincloths are the only 100% cotton options listed above, but maybe not for the reason that you think.

Fabric has a number of features that can affect how much it clings to the body. Probably the biggest one is whether it's knit or woven. Woven fabrics don't stretch unless there is some synthetic fiber like elastic in them, but knit fabrics (like t-shirts) can stretch quite a lot, even when made from non-stretchy fibers like cotton. This is because knit fabrics are made from a single thread which loops back on itself quite a lot (just like the yarn in a knitted sweater or blanket, only much, much smaller). When you pull on the fabric it stretches because all of those little loops in the yarn are straightening out. In woven fabrics, the criss-crossing warp and weft threads run in more or less straight lines already, so there's no slack to take up (unless you pull them on a diagonal or bias, but that's a whole 'nother ball of wax). For more info, see this article from Threads magazine: Knits & Wovens: What's the Difference?.

That said, although 100% cotton knit fabrics can stretch, they won't necessarily cling to you tightly enough to hold themselves up without the aid of either a drawstring or a piece of elastic around the waist. So while the *fabric* might be 100% cotton, all of the non-loincloth options shown above appear to have an elastic waistband around the top.

Any of those designs could be made 100% by replacing the elastic waistband with a drawstring, but drawstrings aren't nearly as comfortable or easy to get on and off as elastic waistbands. (I know; I've spent several days at Victorian re-enactment events in drawers with drawstring waists.) I suppose you could try splitting the difference by making a drawstring using a narrow knitted I-cord or lucet cord which has a bit of stretch, again, due to loops in the thread being able to straighten out.
 
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felting underwear with wool would work.I made pants this way but don't see why you couldn't do underwear?Although you couldn't put them in the dryer.Or you could also weave underwear but you would have to use thin yarn.
 
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Out of curiosity, what did women wear before underwear was invented?

 
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Kai Walker wrote:Out of curiosity, what did women wear before underwear was invented?


That might depend on what you're considering 'underwear'. So-called 'crotchless' underwear aren't exactly as new as most folks think. The original 'bloomers' had no crotch, and being hand sewn, and worn under often cumbersome gowns, and anything more than a chamber pot, private toileting facilities were a rarity reserved for royalty. So, women essentially had no choice, but to squat. Lifting skirts to access an undergarment, remove or lower it, squatting, then replacing it was just about impossible. So, the split was absolutely necessary, but only the wealthy even had those. Most women were going commando, for millennia.
 
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Petticoats were women's underwear for much of history.  A cheaply-made underskirt that could be washed spearately from the outer garments.

Not useful with pants, though.
 
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Commando all the way!
 
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Hemp, it grows anywhere, and you can knit the fiber yourself .  Might be a bit itchy, not sure   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl-G3EJMjjdCKJkJdPTvkgg/videos
 
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I’ve used my favorite fitting undies to make a pattern and hand sewn a pair from pieces of some light sweatpants that I bought at a thrift store and were too short for me. I watched a YouTube video on how to make my own pattern from a pair I had. I like using Trader Joe’s paper bags for patterns I need to stay put when I’m not using delicate fabrics. I have a photo of those undies on an old phone I’d have to find.

I’ve also used 100% cotton men’s T-shirts that were gonna be thrown away or from thrift stores that I liked the feel of. The pair pictured is one made from a cozy men’s t-shirt. The T-shirt was also used to create a large comfortable elastic free waistband. Super cozy! These weren’t a perfect fit but wearable.

I got really into smartwool and actually wool, silk and linen everything for awhile (I LOVE my organic wool bedding from Holy Lamb Organics & silk pillowcases have seriously changed my morning hair tangles & wrinkles! But that’s a rabbit trail...) I tried making undies with linen and silk but my sewing machine wasn’t working and I didn’t do the best job sewing them by hand. I used elastic that I encased the top with... the fits were incredibly humorous and could only be worn under loose garments but it was a start and a learning process.

Then, I got into project 333 and trying to figure out the best travel clothing. I couldn’t believe the price for wool travel undies, so I bought some soft wool & cashmere sweaters from the thrift store for like $3 a piece and turned them into undies and a beanie if I recall. The sewing machine still wasn’t working and the knits were trickier to work with. My favorite pair was going to be the cashmere ones... I was going to travel to Minnesota and figured those would be good for the November chill. Anyhoo, when I moved out of the country, I sadly got rid of many of those unfinished projects.

But I would HIGHLY recommend trying to make some of your own. I did play around with adding a liner in the undies too. I’ve bought the Pact organic cotton undies and another brand Costco was selling and they weren’t worth the money.

Additionally, I agree commando is an excellent option, most of the time.

Bottoms up :)
 
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Alana Rose wrote:The pair pictured is one made from a cozy men’s t-shirt. The T-shirt was also used to create a large comfortable elastic free waistband. Super cozy! These weren’t a perfect fit but wearable.

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Sheila Mleziva wrote:

I would rather wash my underwear daily vs my pants so I am tending against the commando thing.

Ideally, 100% hemp would be the best.



These are not 100% hemp and have 3% Lycra in them:

https://sweetskins.com/product/hemp-bikini/

But I’ve had leggings from this company that I’ve wore almost weekly for the last 3 years and they’re still going strong. (One pair has a tiny hole from getting caught on the chicken wire fencing. Another is a bit looser than I’d like, I think from drying on high, which I wouldn’t normally do, when I was traveling.
 
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A friend gave me a lightly used cotton long-sleeved knit shirt that was damaged and she didn't like the pattern on the back anyway. It had knit/pearl edging at both the neck and wrists. I had old undies I used as a pattern and I hand-stitched it with a stretch stitch, using slices of the edging as the edging at the legs and did a casing at the waist. I used some elastic I had on hand for inside the casing, so it won't biodegrade, but it's easy to remove. Since then I visited my favorite fabric shop bought cotton swimsuit elastic so I think it's completely biodegradable.

Either way, I got two yellow pairs out of the shirt mentioned, been wearing them and they're quite fine. Same friend gave me a second dark green cotton shirt and I'm partway through stitching them.

What I particularly like is that the cotton shirts were quite a heavy-weight cotton. Most of the undies I've seen in shops lately are much lighter cotton and often have other stuff added to it. I also like the idea of upcycling material that would have been trashed, and yet is perfectly functional still.
 
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Jay Angler wrote: I also like the idea of upcycling material that would have been trashed, and yet is perfectly functional still.



Absolutely! I’d love to see pictures of the finished products. Please do share some with us.

I’m curious if anyone has tried making their own period underwear? I’ll ask in the other forum too. When I was at the thrift store this week, I saw some of those small cotton felt baby blankets and thought they might work well for some kinda natural upcycled menstrual product. The patterns were also cheerful and fun.
 
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Alana Rose wrote: I’m curious if anyone has tried making their own period underwear? I’ll ask in the other forum too. When I was at the thrift store this week, I saw some of those small cotton felt baby blankets and thought they might work well for some kinda natural upcycled menstrual product. The patterns were also cheerful and fun.


I made cotton pads that I pinned to regular undies. I bought green flannel for them because the reason surgeons wear green scrubs is that they don't show the blood so badly - good enough logic for me at the time! I was late getting that awareness, but impressed by how much nicer they were to wear than the commercial products. I was also able to make some super long ones that worked better at night than the short ones did.

So, yes, truly "cotton" blankets might do fine upcycled, but I'd wash them several times as anything called a "blanket" may have been treated with nasty fire-resistant chemicals.  Lots of colour will help disguise any stains that don't come out.
 
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Jay Angler wrote:

yes, truly "cotton" blankets might do fine upcycled, but I'd wash them several times as anything called a "blanket" may have been treated with nasty fire-resistant chemicals.



Yikes! I forgot about those fire resistant chemicals. I remembered they spray them on children’s pajamas but didn’t think about baby blankets.

How we, as a nation, poison the most vulnerable humans is beyond me.
 
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Alana Rose wrote:The pair pictured is one made from a cozy men’s t-shirt. The T-shirt was also used to create a large comfortable elastic free waistband. Super cozy! These weren’t a perfect fit but wearable.


Do you have a link or any info on the pattern you used? I'd like to attempt a pair or 3, and maybe even look into weaving the cloth myself to make them! I've had looms on my mind, and wonder what shapes can be used to have the least amount of wasted resources to make different clothing items!  (see here for that thread... https://permies.com/t/174135/permaculture-fiber-arts-tools/fiber-arts/Shaped-loom#1367382 )

When I saw the white skinny undies pictured above, my thought was that those could be made using overlapping triangles of self-woven fabric. I used this very same concept years ago using a stretchy purchased fabric to create a one-piece bathing suit! Back when I could pull off that sort of style. haha
 
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This idea might work... https://chambrayblues.com/2018/11/16/tees-refashioned-undies-diy-underwear/
 
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Cindy Haskin wrote:
Do you have a link or any info on the pattern you used? I'd like to attempt a pair or 3, and maybe even look into weaving the cloth myself to make them! I've had looms on my mind, and wonder what shapes can be used to have the least amount of wasted resources to make different clothing items!  (see here for that thread... https://permies.com/t/174135/permaculture-fiber-arts-tools/fiber-arts/Shaped-loom#1367382 )

When I saw the white skinny undies pictured above, my thought was that those could be made using overlapping triangles of self-woven fabric. I used this very same concept years ago using a stretchy purchased fabric to create a one-piece bathing suit! Back when I could pull off that sort of style. haha



I don’t. I will ask my ministry friend who held the mini ‘workshop’ for us. Each woman there traced her own pattern onto paper, using her favorite pair of undies that fit her well and added some seam allowances. I remember we did select a direction of t-shirts to prevent sagging + maintain shape, and added the larger waist bands. I actually loved the ones some of the gals made with sayings or parts of pictures across their bums.

Weaving some would be amazing! When I was in my early 20’s I loved the look of the woven knit bikini like top things/shirts.
 
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Best undies ever from Allbirds. Wool. Yes, thin wool. Great in summer and winter. Pricey though. I ask for them for birthday presents. https://www.allbirds.com/products/womens-trino-brief-pitaya
I don't recommend their socks though, not good.
 
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I am in the COMMANDO CLUB!  I would love to meet the masochist who normalized undergarments and give them a kick in the...

The whole concept makes no sense to me.   Most women remove bras the second they can; panties should be in the same class. It was not long ago period pads were attached to a belt-type device,  and panties were not even involved, 1960's??

That said, I suffer from chronic hives,  and mine most often are pressure-related (waistbands, sock tops, sleeves ending with banding) even wrinkled bed sheets will give me palm-sized hives.  So, I may be biased.
 
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Rachel Royce wrote:Best undies ever from Allbirds. Wool. Yes, thin wool. Great in summer and winter. Pricey though. I ask for them for birthday presents. https://www.allbirds.com/products/womens-trino-brief-pitaya
I don't recommend their socks though, not good.



Do look at the fiber content, though. Their under garments are not 100% wool(even excepting the elastic), but only 28%. So, if eliminating synthetics is the goal, this gets you a little bit closer - but, doesn't even come close to getting rid of them.

Edited to add fiber content quote, from the above link: "made of 65%  TENCEL™ Lyocell, 28% Merino Wool, and 7% Spandex."
 
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Carla, it’s true that the wool content is 28%. Thank you for commenting. The rest is Tencel, a fiber made out of cellulose from trees. Tencel is considered by many to have a lower impact than cotton and it is biodegradable.  
 
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Rachel Royce wrote:Carla, it’s true that the wool content is 28%. Thank you for commenting. The rest is Tencel, a fiber made out of cellulose from trees. Tencel is considered by many to have a lower impact than cotton and it is biodegradable.  

Have you tried to biodegrade it? I was given one of those "biodegradable forks" and I tried 3 different ways and it would not biodegrade for me. Apparently, they're only biodegradable in the large scale, "professional" compost operations.  

They say similar things about bamboo fabric, but if you look thoroughly into the processes they're using to make it, there's a lot of toxic gick involved. I can't process it on a homestead or small scale basis, whereas flax or nettle I could. Even done "naturally", processing and dying natural fibers for clothing can be hard on the environment. However, if that "damage" is spread out by having small, local processors rather than one huge plant, we can hopefully find ways to help Mother Nature fix the damage (yeah mushrooms -  Nature's clean up committee).
 
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Interesting topic. No, I won't 'go commando'. Ever since I got my first baby (he's 42 now) there's sometimes some drips of urine leaking. I wear pants most of the time; they would become stinky and I would have to wash them daily. That's why I wear a sturdy quality cotton underpants. I can tell where I buy these, but probably that's a Dutch store (called Zeeman).
Every time I have new underpants I sew in a piece of cotton towel fabric in the crotch part. That's instead of 'panty liners'.
The elastic is not natural, but when it breaks it's easy to put a new piece in ... if I want I can even replace it by a draw-string. But I don't want to. I made a 'directoire' (old-fashioned knitted underpants resembling boxer shorts) with draw-string myself, but I don't like that.
 
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