building a kickstarter - rocket mass heater jamboree movie

T Blankinship wrote:Any idea of how long the finished movie will be?

Paul Fookes wrote:At the $100 plus level, an additional booklet on tips, tricks and pitfalls would be fabulous (eBook would work for me).  At first look any RMH looks easy to do and that any amateur can knock one out in a day or two but as one gets into it, it is a complex engineering and thermal dynamics puzzle.  A compendium/ companion book would do it for me.

Roy Sullivan wrote:I contributed to the SKIP kickstarter - not because of SKIP, but for all the other bonuses. It was too good not to kick in. I'm really keen to get this RMH one, but would like the bonuses to be different to SKIP so that I can get more bang for my buck.

Lol "shooting for two hours"

Lol "shooting for two hours"

I think it will be challenging to compress something into two hours.

K. Hanner wrote:Hey Paul, definitely interested but would like to ask if an "other than Kickstarter" way to pay could be provided...for those of us that remember Kickstarter's "support" of a certain 3 letter organization that seems to have grifted them and many others and now has key "leadership" in legal trouble.  Giving Kickstarter more $$$ almost had me skip the SKIP one...food for thought.

Louis Weiner wrote:Paul.

I have some still of the event if you would like them.  Let me know how you would like me to transfer them to you.  It was a pleasure being there with everyone and I learned a great deal.

Thanks Louis G Weiner

paul wheaton wrote:

K. Hanner wrote:Hey Paul, definitely interested but would like to ask if an "other than Kickstarter" way to pay could be provided...for those of us that remember Kickstarter's "support" of a certain 3 letter organization that seems to have grifted them and many others and now has key "leadership" in legal trouble.  Giving Kickstarter more $$$ almost had me skip the SKIP one...food for thought.

Do you have a suggestion?

paul wheaton wrote:If the kickstarter is a success, the movie will be for sale here on permies when the editing is complete.

K. Hanner wrote:"IF the kickstarter is a success...!"  Pretty funny Paul!  Last few I've watched were only funded at 1897% level!!!

paul wheaton wrote:

K. Hanner wrote:"IF the kickstarter is a success...!"  Pretty funny Paul!  Last few I've watched were only funded at 1897% level!!!

And it is possible that folks won't be as keen the next time.

paul wheaton wrote:Not many people buy DVDs these days.  And it used to be that I would have to buy a minimum of a thousand to get "the right kind."

Instead, I hope to, in time, set stuff up so that somebody will offer the movie on a DVD after it is all done.  So you might get it later than everybody else, but you would get it as a physical dvd.  I think.

Mike Haasl wrote:What about a parallel "Permiestarter" campaign in the digital marketplace.  People can support on Kickstarter (and kickstarter gets their cut) or they can click a link and go to permies and back the project through the digital marketplace.  

Then people can set up affiliate codes for the permies.com side of the project to share it around the world.  The hard-as-hell part would be collecting the data needed to fulfill the non-kickstarter backers when it's all said and done.

paul wheaton wrote:Not many people buy DVDs these days.  And it used to be that I would have to buy a minimum of a thousand to get "the right kind."

Instead, I hope to, in time, set stuff up so that somebody will offer the movie on a DVD after it is all done.  So you might get it later than everybody else, but you would get it as a physical dvd.  I think.

Mike Haasl wrote:I think the digital marketplace "items" would be the whole package of goodies for each dollar level.  Might need one for Early Bird and another for later on.  Then when/if the funding goals are met, the items are added to the digital thread so everyone who bought that item then has access.  The movie would be added once it's completed.  If it isn't funded then Paul would have to do a refund.  A nice feature of that is that the money would come in as the kickstarter proceeds so if it's fully funded early on, the movie editing or other costs could commence sooner.

Mike Haasl wrote:What about a parallel "Permiestarter" campaign in the digital marketplace.  People can support on Kickstarter (and kickstarter gets their cut) or they can click a link and go to permies and back the project through the digital marketplace.  

Then people can set up affiliate codes for the permies.com side of the project to share it around the world.  The hard-as-hell part would be collecting the data needed to fulfill the non-kickstarter backers when it's all said and done.

Leif Ing wrote:
Maybe instead of DVDs, a thumb drive could be offered for an extra amount? I’m not a big fan of downloads or streaming personally due to at times having limited/slow bandwidth.

Jane Mulberry wrote:I could be wrong, but it seems with Kickstarters there's a lot of excitement and pledging early, then it goes quiet, then there's a lot more last-minute pledging or increased pledging at the end  - probably stretch goals being reached affects that, as well as last-minutism and "wait till i see what I can afford this month". It kinda makes sense to cut out the middle bit and keep the momentum high. That should also increase the likelihood of Kickstarter recommending the campaign to others. Also possibly a little easier for staff - trying to keep everyone excited for a whole month is hard work!

But I can see the argument for a longer timeframe, too. A longer campaign means more time for folk outside the forum to discover the Kickstarter, more time for those who initially pledged low to increase their pledge. Maybe my vote should have been  "What-evs"!