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any use for a bunch of styrofoam?

 
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john mcginnis wrote:I ground up trash styro using a DIY shredder. Don't do it inside tho! Coated the beads with white glue and packed it into a waxed form. The resulting 'brick' spanned the roof rafters with a small gap at the bottom of the cavity to bleed moisture. Still up there in the attic and works.

The downsides. Its labor intensive but if you have more time than money it works. Its messy, the low density of the beads fly everywhere. I suspect it won't work in large spans without reinforcement, the glue is the only thing holding it together.



I always wanted to try that approach with glue instead of cement, did you do any fireproof tests?
Grinding EPS into beads without making a mess is one of the tricks for sure!
Every now and then I get a leak in my system and it makes a snowstorm, but that is rare.
 
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What is the proper type glue to use to bond styrofoam to other surfaces like metal and concrete? I would like to use some pieces to insulate a garage door and the inside lower walls of greenhouse. Based on several comments here, it seems that would work.  I experimented with Elmer's and wood glue but both dissolve the styrofoam. How thick would it need to be for any appreciable insulating capacity? I guess a thin sheet can be glued to another sheet and so on till desired thickness is reached.  Nice to see there are ways to re-use this material. It takes up space and can be rather messy when broken due to static electricity.
 
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Denise Cares wrote:What is the proper type glue to use to bond styrofoam to other surfaces like metal and concrete? I would like to use some pieces to insulate a garage door and the inside lower walls of greenhouse. Based on several comments here, it seems that would work.  I experimented with Elmer's and wood glue but both dissolve the styrofoam. How thick would it need to be for any appreciable insulating capacity? I guess a thin sheet can be glued to another sheet and so on till desired thickness is reached.  Nice to see there are ways to re-use this material. It takes up space and can be rather messy when broken due to static electricity.



PVA glue does not melt the polystyrene. It is a decent enough bond if not too much load is put on it.

If you want to increase the insulation you can always glue on a layer of aluminium foil to each side.
 
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Years ago when my brother was in scouts he taught me to make fire starter. Take a small jar 1/2 full of gas and start putting in Styrofoam. It shrinks down and you keep adding Styrofoam until you have a pudding. It only takes a pea size piece of puddy to start a fire and you use so little that it really isn't an environmental problem.

I also glue them together in the shape of a cake and practice how I want flowers arranged on a cake. That way when the cake is iced it's easy to place the flowers just right
 
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There is a place here in the Portland area where they take styrofoam and recycle it, so I would check with your metro area to see if they do.

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I have made a bunch of cloth reusable grocery bags.  I have some styrofoam set aside to make some insulated bags. I haven't had time to do it yet, but I think it will work great.
 
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William Bronson wrote:Someone on here posted about making a strong glue from styrofoam and acetone.
I am considering styro-concrete for the rear of my greenhouse.
I like the idea because it would be trapped.
Loose beads of styrofoam would ended up in the soil in 20 years, when my creations are torn down.



That was me that posted about making the glue.  Alcohol free gasoline works about the same as acetone.  It comes out pretty thick and gooey.  I'm finding it works well when the surfaces don't match well or there is a big gap to fill.  As the solvent off-gasses it expands to fill the differences between the surfaces.
I've plugged holes with it.
I've also re-drilled a smaller hole in it after it dried. (days down the line)  It doesn't drill the same as wood.
It's not very eco-friendly.  But, it's cheaper than buying epoxy putty and wood filer.
 
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From real life experience - the one you want is wax moth larvae - as a beekeeper I have seen them go through wax and wooden frames.  After cleaning out a hive which had wax moth I put frames in a plastic bag until I could put them in the solar wax melt box. It only took a few hours until holes appeared and the little critters started crawling out!!!  Try them - just put them in something they can not eat out of...  Lately there have been several research articles about how much they can eat and interested in trash clean up.  Just keep out of the hives.  good luck
 
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Doug Martin wrote:In the US, there are not many recycling facilities for Styrofoam unfortunately.  I researched it a long while back and essentially, it takes a LOT of styrofoam to justify recycling.  And I mean a LOT.  

Austin Resource Recovery collects it, melts it down into ropey-looking bricks, and sells it.  Also they let you take for free as much as you want if you need it for packing material.

 
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I just remembered something. I had some small ice chests that were made for shipping perishable pharmaceuticals stored in a shed. Some of them may have been inside the cardboard box they were shipped in. Some months/years later when cleaning out the shed I discovered that black ants (carpenter ants I think) had made their nest in the walls of the styrofoam ice chests and they were overrun with ants. It was a mess to clean up having to set the chest on the ground and get the ants to leave before tossing the mess. No way to recycle what little was left. The ants were actually eating the styrofoam as they were tunneling through it. Wierd, huh?
 
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One more use:

Researchers in the 1970's experimented with blowing styrofoam beads in between layers of a greenhouse at night to increase the insulation and then sucking them out during the day for light.  I imagine static electricity was the big problem they never solved.  (Maybe you can be the one to make it work!)
 
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If you know someone that does needle felting, styrofoam is a quick shortcut for some projects.  https://www.reddit.com/r/Needlefelting/comments/lklrx7/use_of_styrofoam/
 
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To be honest, there are many ways mentioned how to use Styrofoam.

All have the same result:
The Styrofoam will degrade slowly and release a lot of bad gasses.

Styrofoam is as damaging like asbestos and should be handled by professional garbage companies who are specialized to convert it to low risk waste, without releasing too much gasses.

Sometimes things just work out the opposite if taken in own hands...

Many of us already releasing too much gasses using composter the wrong way by composting just everything, but forget to consider some "compostable" could be easily converted to :"feed able products" and if you feed these stuff to black soldier flies which are converted to fish food, they not release gasses as they don't fart...

But Styrofoam is just a high risk garbage difficult to convert.
 
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See Hes wrote:To be honest, there are many ways mentioned how to use Styrofoam.

All have the same result:
The Styrofoam will degrade slowly and release a lot of bad gasses.

Styrofoam is as damaging like asbestos and should be handled by professional garbage companies who are specialized to convert it to low risk waste, without releasing too much gasses.

Sometimes things just work out the opposite if taken in own hands...

Many of us already releasing too much gasses using composter the wrong way by composting just everything, but forget to consider some "compostable" could be easily converted to :"feed able products" and if you feed these stuff to black soldier flies which are converted to fish food, they not release gasses as they don't fart...

But Styrofoam is just a high risk garbage difficult to convert.



You can UPcycle EPS (aka Styrofoam) into a perfectly safe and super-versatile building material ("EPIC")

I am getting ready to launch a youtube channel where people will be able to learn to make this material, which can be used to build MANY things, including composters!
NOTE: The EPS in EPIC has already given off its gases, that happened when the EPS was originally created.

Have you ever wondered why you can find EPS buried underground in perfect condition? It doesn't decompose! After the EPS is made it remains completely inert (unless it is heated over 200F, left out in the sun, or exposed to various chemicals like acetone). This inert nature makes EPS a waste disposal nightmare, but it also makes it the perfect building material. It also demonstrates that cured EPS does not outgas anything.

After being made into EPIC the EPS is protected from sunlight so unless you soak it in a harsh chemical the EPS maintains its structure and insulation value basically forever. EPIC can be re-ground and mixed into new material indefinitely, unlike most building materials. That eliminates most if not all waste from the building process.
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 Wondering if anyone has tried using the dissolved styrofoam goo as a wood sealer.  Curious if it would be useful in sealing and making leakproof aboveground wooden growbeds.  
 
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Ian Aufin wrote:  Wondering if anyone has tried using the dissolved styrofoam goo as a wood sealer.  Curious if it would be useful in sealing and making leakproof aboveground wooden growbeds.  



I have used my version with d-limonene and it works great on porous surfaces.  Only thing is that it does not produce very much for the amount of styrofoam dissolved.  I can fill a quart mason jar 1/2 full of the d-limonene and then in order to make the solution as thick as I like to use, it takes a *lot* of styrofoam, approx three-four large trash bags filled with styrofoam.  

At the end of the process, I will have a quart of the thick solution.  If you put it on a porous surface, I've done wood, paper and cement, the limonene soaks in and evaporates within 24 hours and leaves a nice smooth thick glossy, plastic-ish looking coating, which is very durable and waterproof.

I have wanted to try it out as a coating for raised bed walls, but I need more styrofoam 🙂.  I don't know if the coating would be toxic to plants, it seems to me once it re-hardens and becomes like plastic it wouldn't leach much, but with the whole bpa thing, I would probably go with something that wouldn't be near enough to food to possibly leach into it.  Better safe than sorry.  I've used it for art-type stuff, and it turned out real nice on a walking stick I made from a tree branch.  Made it nice & smooth.

 
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Ian Aufin wrote:  Wondering if anyone has tried using the dissolved styrofoam goo as a wood sealer.  Curious if it would be useful in sealing and making leakproof aboveground wooden growbeds.  



Here is a better solution to styrofoam:

https://permies.com/t/50485/composting/Mealworms-Eating-Styrofoam
 
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@Dave Pennington, can you post a link or two where you reverenced the picture?  I would like to read up on EPIC more, but could not find the image you reference.  As a note, I am assuming that the paper is used for the lignin, similar to glass or rock fiber reinforcement.
 
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Robin Wild wrote:

Ebo David wrote: I am not sure I would want to feed mealworms that have spent their life eating styrofoam to anything.  I might be wrong, but what is the halflife of the foam and all its additives?  Just say'n there is such a thing as forever chemicals, and getting it into the food chain.



Apparently it does fully break down, there is a little more research into this then there used to be. https://news.wsu.edu/news/2020/08/25/styrofoam-eating-mealworms-safe-dinner/





I just read about it tonight and was going to share it here. But I’m glad somebody beat me to it. My mealworm population has multiplied enough that I can start feeding them more regularly to my chickens, but I’ve been wary since I read peoples’ concerns on this thread.

I’m glad to read about this latest research.
 
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Here is a better solution to styrofoam:

https://permies.com/t/50485/composting/Mealworms-Eating-Styrofoam

"Better Solution" depends on the desired end result.  I can't paint any surface with mealworm exhaust.
 
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I'd like to make a proof-of-concept project, such as a windbreak for the cat-door.  Here are some resources I've come across for re-use of polystyrene-- the granular type.

Dave Pennington wrote:

See Hes wrote:To be honest, there are many ways mentioned how to use Styrofoam.

You can UPcycle EPS (aka Styrofoam) into a perfectly safe and super-versatile building material ("EPIC")


Styrofoam, especially the kind that breaks apart into tiny spheres, is being used to reduce the amount of needed Portland cement.  Mixed at ratio of "1 part Cement, to three parts ground Styrofoam" and used as a building material, it insulates and protects from critters.  Here's an American who has a good YouTube channel to explain his methods -- though not sure it shows home building. https://youtu.be/pJ-5nFkOJAU?si=i_07KlQH_nVdMbvZ

Here's a different video showing surprising characteristics of this material in terms of flammability https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMPR8i4IWMA

However, homebuilding with what I've seen interchangeably called 'foamcrete' and 'styrocrete' -- and can be confused with 'aircrete'-- is apparently in common modern use in Russia. I don't speak Russian so used Google Translate to provide the keywords in Cyrillic.  This comparison video of different compositions video has English subtitles at the bottom.  Spoiler alert: additives including plasticizer, sand, and chopped fibers as used in fiberglass make it more structurally durable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SL71UwqeFE

 
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I build my own Lazutin Stationary Horizontal Bee Hives and use styrofoam I was given by a contractor as the insulation in the walls. I also still have a lot so used it in my garage door panels to insulate the garage. Both the hives and the garage are much cooler in the summer and much warmer in the winter.

 
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This intrigued me enough to track down a live link for the story: https://cen.acs.org/articles/93/web/2015/09/Mealworms-Munch-Polystyrene-Foam.html

Note the final paragraph especially. It’s an interesting notion but definitely not suitable for home implementation!

Mike Fullerton wrote:The suggestions above for re-use (especially for insulation) are probably the best option, but there's one kinda weird use-case - albeit one more suited to a situation where you have a continuous flow of material to get rid of - feed it to mealworms.

 
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I've heard it can be used as insulation for a house before.
 
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Ian Aufin wrote:"Better Solution" depends on the desired end result.  I can't paint any surface with mealworm exhaust.



Why would anyone want to paint with polystyrene?

There are much better options and paints that are eco-friendly:

https://permies.com/t/224243/Limewash-DIY-Clay-paint-Milk

https://permies.com/t/175347/evil-paint-house
 
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I salvaged enough rigid blue and pink styrofoam from the landfill to insulate 2-8x12 sheds and my son's bedroom.
Small pieces for toys, cracks, home made coolers... and of course--GLUE.

It takes a LOAD of scraps to make the styro/acetate glue, but that is good stuff!


 
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Sorry, just noticed that this is a 2 year old Zombi thread.   I built a house with a post and beam and super insulated stress skin panels using 8 inch thick blocks of polystyrene skinned with plywood and gypsum board.  the house achieved all objectives in esthetics and function.
Now years later I will admit some serious shortcomings.  

1. Critters of all kind make their home in it.  so don't use it as insulation unless completely sealed and periodically treated.
2. Water vapor will diffuse into pores of material and stay permanently wet leading to rot of adjacent materials such as sheathing windows and doors and siding and roofing.   This was from indoor humidity not from outside.
3. when cutting panels lots of plastic beads from sawing enters environment.
4  Left over cutouts such as windows doors cost a lot to dispose. I was lucky at time to pay for dumpster disposal, but the material is very bulky.   Reviewing disposal services today,  many here locally no longer accept this material just like tires.
5. plastic Legacy.  I mistakenly buried one in yard and upon re landscaping, had to deal will  more now dirt contaminated material to later dispose of.
6.  Today I cringe at adoption of even more of this plastic in nearly everything from packaging to home building.   Thankfully this stuff is not inherently toxic.  
7. There is still the issue of microplastics which permeate even our food chains and soil despite  the spin from paid scientist that stuff
breaks down.    I agree with Paul Wheaton-  when need less not more of this TOXIC GICK!
 
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I just found out about styrocrete recently. This guy has a lot of videos showing his techniques and results:

 
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A fella is doing styrocrete for building. It takes a lot of it but it appears he is getting good results.






 
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@Anne Miller, I do not know about you, but I have to drive 100 miles ONE-WAY, to purchase a bag of high calcium lime.  So making a lime clay paint is borderline impractical for me.  For those in this same boat you might be interested in Milk Paint.
 
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I salvaged enough rigid blue and pink styrofoam from the landfill to insulate 2-8x12 sheds and my son's bedroom.
Small pieces for toys, cracks, home made coolers... and of course--GLUE.

It takes a LOAD of scraps to make the styro/acetate glue, but that is good stuff!




You're not kidding on the LOAD of scraps.  As an experiment I filled a small prescription bottle about 1/2 full of acetone and started putting in packing peanuts so see how many would dissolve in that roughly 2 ounces of acetone.  It was still slowly eating the packing peanuts at 140.
Styrofoam is well over 95% air.
 
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@Cory Hunt, I am not sure if you were replying to me with the links to the Abundance Build Channel YouTube channel, but he uses cement and not lime as his binder.  That said, I would be curious if rodents burrow into the cement bound styrofoam like they do into plain styrofoam.
 
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Dustin Rhodes wrote:it is commonly used as floats for aquaculture planting. not sure what drawbacks there would be, as i have no firsthand experience though...



Geoff Lawton makes a nice sunshade float for hot days for shade for fish in the fish pond https://vimeo.com/179831863 about 9:30 in the video he talks about his raft made of Bamboo...... but I wonder if you could do the same with your foam?
https://www.permaculturenews.org/2014/01/25/perfect-permaculture-fish-pond/
 
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I am going to try this. Some of my un-biodegradable waste styrofoam will go into insulation for palatable cob buildings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HtpjWhFPGM and or eco brick structures https://ecobricks.org/en/how.php.
But I like this use too! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NefRPyMegXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6QsqAWf6hE

It makes a sort of epoxy. there are many more videos out there Have fun
 
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We used styrofoam boxes at school to make wicking beds for herbs and flowers. We used broken up lid pieces instead of rocks/gravel/scoria in the water reservoir
 
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"There is a place here in the Portland area where they take styrofoam and recycle it, so I would check with your metro area to see if they do.

John S
PDX OR"

I just found out a few days ago that the company, Agilyx, shut down because they were losing millions of dollars. Makes me think that the best idea at this time is just to ban the manufacture and import of it, as we would with other environmental poisons. Cheap to make and the damage is long lasting. Bad combo.
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