How to cut the food bill by 80 percent?

Mat Ar wrote:...lose my dependency on Walmart and other Huge food chains(boy, I just know I'm going to catch hell for being dependent on walmart).

I don't think anyone on this forum has the poor taste to 'give hell' on something like that. We are all starting from different places in our lives. Personally I find it wonderfully inspiring to hear about your journey away from the industrial food chain. Thanks for sharing.

R Ranson wrote:

Mat Ar wrote:...lose my dependency on Walmart and other Huge food chains(boy, I just know I'm going to catch hell for being dependent on walmart).

I don't think anyone on this forum has the poor taste to 'give hell' on something like that. We are all starting from different places in our lives. Personally I find it wonderfully inspiring to hear about your journey away from the industrial food chain. Thanks for sharing.

wow, I am glad for that! I have spoken to a few "Green Movement/hippies/budgeteers/free-thinking elitist's"(sorry but I do not know the label for these types) they just about Bludgeoned me to death for shopping at walmart and from then on I have always been wary of anyone involved in any kind of green action...In all honestly I try to live as green as possible and as local and sustainable as possible, but I said walmart to a few and nearly left the conversation in a body-bag(which is the last act of nonsustainability any human uses....Unless they get buried in a Styrofoam coffin) Please excuse my dark sense of humor!

I just wanted to add to the mix that if you have an Indian or Asian market near you, they often have the best price and selection of rice and many varieties of dried legumes and spices (near me at least). Not always organic, but I have been seeing a shift towards that there as well. Plus, you can look at the country of origin, and decide if you will buy that item or not. The benefit to many of the "imported items" (shipping concerns and the not local factor aside) is that many other countries label if a product contains gmos. But I have also found that many of the items they stock are made in the US too.

Wonderful thread - did you manage to reduce your food bill???

All the ideas I read above are good. From our own experience, eating less meat and dairy saves a lot of money. I used to be totally vegan - then had a mid-life crisis and got really into meat!! 6 years later, crisis over, and we are thinking about what we eat again.

Eating a vegan meal - beans and rice for instance - is INCREDIBLY cheap as well as healthy. Even if you only do this a couple of times a week, it will make a difference.

I have an allotment and grow some of our vegetables and fruit. I buy real-free-range eggs from a local farm shop at the same price as pretend-free-range eggs from the supermarket

We try always to cook for leftovers and sometimes cook something that gets extended several times!

When we do have meat, we make use of every scrap and I make stock and freeze it for later. It is surprising how satisfying a vegetable and bean casserole tastes if you add a cup of chicken stock to it.

We also make use of frozen food stores - they sell fish (and chicken) portions that are all different sizes for a fraction of the price in the supermarkets where the portions are all of a similar size.... I mean.... what is that all about?

Our current shopping bills are around £30 a week for 2 people, but this includes a lot of beer....

Linda

Volunteer at your local food pantry. At least here, if you help with freight days and/or handout day, you automatically get a share of food whether or not you qualify. Ours gets a surprising amount of meat and meat products. As well as beans, rice, juices, etc. And fruits and veggies in season (we got one where there was a whole pallet of lugs of oranges. They sent them mid freight so they wouldn't keep. We brought home two lugs of oranges....)

Join a food co-op. Some of them do have you come in and help work, but you usually get quite a large share of harvest. Process the food as it comes in, and preserve for later.

Barter with friends and neighbors over garden season. I get more zukes than I could ever want just for the 'sure I'll take some'.

Make friends with the guy that runs the truck farm. (we have a guy that does 1/3 acre, and he gives us compost fodder and we give him compost). As he clears off crops we get many bags of 'pickings' that are perfectly good.

Buy bulk. I don't mean from the bin, order your own. I buy yeast flakes by the 10 pound bag and organic plump cashews by the 50 pounds (2 25# vacu-brick) that ship to my door. Coconut oil in 5 gallon pails. Etc.

Soup. Save those peelings, that scrap, your gnawed bones, and make soup. That uses up every scrap.

Here are a few websites I like for cheap eating ideas:

Hillbilly Housewife and her $45 Emergency Menu for 4 to 6, as well as her meatier $70 Low Cost Menu for 4 to 6. Of course your actual price will probably be more because 1) inflation during the few years that have passed since she first posted these menus, 2) regional & seasonal price variations, & 3) buying organic & beyond costs more. Still, I think her menus offer a handy place to start, and your cost could be offset a bit if you already have some of the ingredients in your larder.

This other lady calculates cheaper ways to make stuff and has lots of yummy recipes: Budget Bytes

And this one is a vegan meal planning service that uses up everything you buy each week down to the last bit: Meal Mentor
You can try it for free here Plant Based 7-Day Sample Meal Plan

Suggestion I didn't specifically see elsewhere:  start your own informal co-op.  Our church operates a food pantry and 'clothing closet' and is always looking for new outreaches (provided the idea-generator will lead it .  This thread make me think that a bulk food distribution / co-op might be a good spin off; certainly a great community resource.

Also, a cousin from Santa Rosa, CA told me about Slow Food USA funding a community apple press for free community use.  Web search brought up: http://www.slowfoodrr.org/projects/sebastopol-gravenstein-apple-presidium/sebastopol-community-apple-press/     "Slow Food Russian River operates the Sebastopol Community Apple Press at the Luther Burbank Gold Ridge Experiment Farm in Sebastopol during apple season – from August through October. Use of the press is a free community service."

And https://www.slowfoodusa.org/  explains their Campaign:

Together around specific issues, we campaign to make cultural shifts for food that is good, clean, and fair for all. Join us!

School Gardens: We educate and grow the next generation of food-aware individuals.
Slow Meat: We work to improve animal welfare and reduce the impact of eating meat on the environment.
Biodiversity: We promote sustainable agriculture, support small-scale food producers, and preserve traditional foods and knowledge, through our Ark of Taste and Presidia (groups of artisan producers).

Sounds like a pairing with many permie ideas.....

Ann Torrence wrote:...Azure Standard has as good prices as anywhere for organic bulk items if it's not at Costco.  I was not as happy with the few fresh produce items I've tried from Azure. Their powdered milk should be just fine for making yogurt, way cheaper than Organic Valley milk if you can't find local. Costco has upped their organic offerings, things like canned tomatoes are cheaper by far from them, so you have to shop...

You have an upfront investment to make in storing said bulk items in containers to keep critters out. Don't even think about trying to store open sacks.
Jocelyn did a thread not long ago on the virtues of various containers, glass and what not.

Get a rice cooker. It's the best way I've found to cook beans. Might have to run the cycle twice, but they won't dry out and are hard to overcook that way. Fresh, not ancient, dried beans like the ones Azure sells cook way faster than grocery store beans.
Cutting the prepared crap might drop 20-40% of your food bill. Dropping 80% is likely going to require raising staples (potatoes?), meat and dairy.
Apples should be coming in soon in the Bitterroots. Get a couple boxes to store for winter. If you started a bed today and covered it with 6 mil plastic per Elliot Coleman's excellent instructions for low tunnels, you can probably raise enough greens to keep from getting scurvy until the new year.

I have been looking into Azure Standard for several reasons lately.

Also...need to find Jocelyn's thread on the virtues of various containers.

Rice cooker to cook beans?  That's awesome...might be time to break out the old Zojirushi again!  

R Scott wrote:

John Polk wrote:Toast the oatmeal first?  I've never heard of doing that, but I'd bet it might be an interesting improvement.
I always toast my rice if doing a sopa seca (Mexican rice), and it adds a whole new dimension to the flavor.

One other unlikely source for cheap eating was "farmers for forty centuries" which is a journal of Asian farming practices in the early 1900's.  Available on kindle or PDF online.  The PDF has the pictures and is worth the download.  There was lots about the costs of food and how families fed themselves with little money.  Just the list of prices at the market are astounding and then you realize it is 1910 dollars.  

Found it over on archive.org:

https://archive.org/details/farmersoffortyce01king

Thanks for the heads-up!

R. Scott and Echo, I've got the hardback of that book ;). They farmed the same land for forty centuries because they didn't waste what they had, which was all of their manure, and retained silt all along the Nile. They returned as good or better what they took from the soil, simple as that. There's something called a "cash nexus" where people take from the land and receive cash in return, which they pocket. This destroys the land. For the original poster of six years ago, my #1 bulk dry food to buy is brown rice in twenty pound sacks. Go to the nearest Oriental store and you can get it for about a dollar a pound. I save tremendously on food by working in the industry. The waste in every sector is prodigious, but it is in the realm of food that you see life literally go down the drain. In catering all of the food left over after a party is returned to the facility, where it is usually trashed. Because it was brought up to temp, it is no longer fit for human consumption and goes in the dumpster, whether it's potatoes, mac and cheese, short ribs, cheeseburgers, pork ribs, chicken breasts, steak, etc.
Food is overflowing from the dumpsters and people are wondering how to save money on food... !

With today's rising food prices it is a good time to start doing food storage if this is not already being done.

this thread will give folks a great start on how to do this and how to cut the food bill:

https://permies.com/t/93304/kitchen/Stocked-Food-Storage-Pantry

A ton of great information here that I can’t read through right now but I didn’t see misfits market or azure standard listed. Misfits sells a lot of variety and delivers once a week and azure standard uses the power of community to deliver by trailer truck to central locations, once each month. Azure has better prices than most on things ranging from organic fruits and vegetables to garden seed and animal feed as well as bulk organic flours, grains and rices. I’m not affiliated with either but I do enjoy the ability to buy things that I simply can’t buy locally and support a business I can agree with at the same time.

Lexie, thanks for mentioning Misfits and Azure.

Azure will not deliver where I live though Misfits will.

So I place an order every so often.

I recently was at a big city grocery and discovered how much I have been saving using misfits!

Keep checking, they just added a new drop near me last month.

I don't have the answer to your big question (i.e. cut grocery bill by 80%), but I have suggestions for another area where you can definitely save quite a bit of money:  learn to make your own cheese (and yogurt)!

Here are the cheeses I've decided to specialize in:

1) I adore gouda cheese, and the real dutch stuff is around $30/lb, but I can make a 3/4 lb wheel of gouda style cheese from a gallon of grocery store milk (plus rennet, calcium chloride and culture which adds around $0.25 to the total cost per batch), and then I can get about 6 oz of ricotta from further processing the leftover whey.  I really like caraway gouda, which I used to be able to buy, but can't find it anymore.  No problem, I add boiled (i.e., sterilized) caraway seed to the curds before pressing!  Also, there is no need for a cheese cave if you're doing a gallon of milk at a time...I age my gouda (waxed) in the refrigerator crisper.  It's ready in 6 weeks.  I've decided to let the big stores handle my cheddar cravings, as I like extra sharp cheddar and that takes over a year of aging...but I did make one batch and it was excellent!

2) A gallon of grocery store milk makes 6+ 8 oz. blocks of cream cheese (cultured over 24 hours, not that "add vinegar to milk" gritty quick cheese, but you can do it that way if you are in a hurry).  

My hero/mentor/#1 teacher is an Australian guy on YouTube:  Gavin Webber.  Whatever your favorite cheese, I'm sure he has a recipe for it and a demonstration and explanation of just how it is made.  You too can be a curd nerd!

Note:  If using grocery store milk, cheesemaking requires calcium chloride, rennet (animal or vegetable based, not Junket rennet) and a culture (all of which are relatively inexpensive to order online and cost under $20 total for enough of each to make cheese from 200 gallons of milk),  stainless steel pots, strainers, mixing bowls, and implements (think big spoons for stirring and a long meat knife for cutting the curds), a thermometer that reads, at least,  in the range of 75-130F,  dechlorinated water (distilled or tap water boiled for 10 min), non-iodized salt, some muslin (NOT "cheesecloth" unless you want small curds to go down the sink), molds (you can get creative here...I use the bottom half of a stainless steel cutlery holder from WallyWorld), and a way to apply pressure (I initially used bricks, then bought a cheese press), and most importantly, good sanitation in the work area.  Cheese wax is optional, but I've had no aging failures since I started using it. Watch enough of Gavin Webbers videos and you will pick up all the details you need.

For reference, so called granola is far from what your post suggests you are shooting for. Much of it is sugar laden garbage passed off as healthy. Yes, many of the contents are, but when commercial suppliers get done, you are dealing with powdery candy bars.

Justin Jones wrote:We spent a lot of money on food last month.  And the month before that.  And will have spent quite a bit this month too.  . . . . to organic or better. . . . granola, salad mixes, yogurt, etc. . . . .?

Kelly Craig wrote: Much of it is sugar laden garbage passed off as healthy. Yes, many of the contents are, but when commercial suppliers get done, you are dealing with powdery candy bars.

Hi, Kelly

Here are some "better ones for you" granola recipes.  

For me cutting the food bill by 80% is not about buying commercial stuff.  It is about making your food at home.

https://permies.com/t/6760/kitchen/Granola-recipe#1703945

https://permies.com/t/92269/kitchen/Brian-Pecan-Granola-gluten-sugar

That does make for a vast difference in both quality and price.

Anne Miller wrote:

Kelly Craig wrote: Much of it is sugar laden garbage passed off as healthy. Yes, many of the contents are healthy, but when commercial suppliers get done, you are dealing with powdery candy bars.

Hi, Kelly

Here are some "better ones for you" granola recipes.  

For me cutting the food bill by 80% is not about buying commercial stuff.  It is about making your food at home.

https://permies.com/t/6760/kitchen/Granola-recipe#1703945

https://permies.com/t/92269/kitchen/Brian-Pecan-Granola-gluten-sugar

Cutting grocery bills by 80% is a heck of a goal.  That would mean spending only 20% of the baseline.  But, it may be possible depending upon the starting point. My wife and I have done an excellent job preserving food through drying, canning, pickling, and freezing.  We got curious as to what we were saving. So, last October, we ate minimally from our reserves and purchased all our groceries.    In the past 30 days, we have only shopped as necessay and lived off our reserves.  We cut our food bill down to 37%.  

In fact, it was probably more than that. In October, we ate out 3x. We did not eat out at all in the past 30 days. We budget eating out as entertainment, and it is not part of our food bill. On the flip side, we tend to count items purchased at a grocery store as food. But, those purchases have long been minimal.   To flip back again, my wife normally bakes bread. Her bread baking this month has been less than usual for her.

So, with all the uncontrolled variables, I am comfortable saying we achieved a 63% reduction.

Here it's a big garden, root cellar, steam canning,  a good network of friend to share surplus . And some voluntering in a non profit organization who collect food pass date in groceries to cook them or distribut them to the needy, it allows me to find some commercial items without buying them.

Here, we use:
* the barter system, whenever we can. We have chickens, so currently, we've been swapping eggs for fish, or other game, with a neighbor who loves eggs, but not chickens. We've swapped things like labor, teaching, homemade wine, beer, & spirits, handmade jewelry, crocheted items, our hunted game meats, soaps, lotions, home remedies, etc., for everything from rendered beef tallow, to James, jellies, whole live turkeys, chickens, other people home grown veggies, meats, herbs, and fruits, and even tools for our dual workshops.

* growing/ raising it, ourselves (its actually cheaper to buy saffron corms, that will provide the spice and multiply, to provide even more, than it is to buy a gram or two of the spice, itself!)

* local 'Simple folk' communities pretty much always have the best prices of all the farm stands, with the best individual selections, and good, quality produce. Here, they even have their own processing stores, and you can order whatever meats are available locally, they'll get it for you, live, and process it to your specifications, all at a much lower cost than typical grocery prices, and much better quality.

* DIY - this one had been pretty well covered, but I just don't think it can be overemphasized - and we're both semi-disabled. Even when we order a while our half critter from the local Mennonite butcher, John has them only do the heavy work - handling the dispatching, then cutting the whole carcass into the biggest pieces he can manage, with his REALLY bad back & heart troubles. So, a goat, he'd have quartered, a steer or hog would be cut into eighths, or more, depending on how John is doing, when he places the order. Then, it all goes into the freezer, except one hunk, which he then cuts into steaks, roasts, etc, and smoke, cures, or whatever, then - when he's recovered enough, he thaws another hunk, and processes that one, and so on. I make all our trail mixes, snacks, desserts, & baked items, as well as kefir, water kefir, jams, jellies, pickles, and herb tea blends, herbed vinegars and oils, remedies, etc. He makes kim chi, lacto-fermented saur kraut, cheeses, yogurt, beer, meads, wines, distillates, etc.