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The Knights Who Say Free is a noble fellowship whose sacred quest is to determine how and where to send free books.  

People who encourage the mission of these brave knights can entrust their tomes for distribution to worthy causes.  The Knights' hallowed mission may expand in the future but for now their duty is focused on the current kickstarter for the SKIP book and the Better World Book.

If you feel worthy to join the Knights at the table*, please pledge your loyalty in this thread.  

If you have ideas for locations where these books would do the most good, please recommend them here.  

If you have suggestions for how to distribute the books efficiently, please recommend them as well.

*table is virtual
 
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Kinda need this ....   placed right about ....    here

 
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I think now is an excellent time to talk about where these books might go.   Extracting from this thread ...   Suppose there were 200 copies of BWB complete with the US postage paid ...    

My initial ideas for book distribution (but these only work in missoula, so maybe we need better ideas for greater national success):

  - Just because I think it works well and it is a fun way to see missoula, I would like to deliver a few to the little free library system.  But that will only put a small dent in the pile.  

  - Next, I would deliver two dozen books to Missoula Freecycles.

  - three dozen to the missoula "Home Resource" (used/reclaimed building materials)

  - maybe 100 books to my local organic market - for the employees

  - maybe find a CSA with 200 customers and give one to each customer


 
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Oooooh, I like the CSA one.  Bulk delivery and automated distribution plus a benefit to the CSA since they're giving extras to their customers.  Only downside is if the recipient isn't interested.  

I guess there's a difference between getting the books out to people that WE think should be interested vs setting it up so that people who are interested get one.  

And that probably varies significantly if it's the BWB or the SKIP book.  Different audience size and type...
 
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I like the CSA idea too!  Most CSAs have about 50 to 500 customers.  And the fact that they are buying from a CSA shows a certain receptive mindset for this sort of thing.

Another idea could be in person PDCs.  

 
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And, I should mention that the CSA idea came from Ashley:

 
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paul wheaton wrote:I think now is an excellent time to talk about where these books might go.   Extracting from this thread ...   Suppose there were 200 copies of BWB complete with the US postage paid ...    

My initial ideas for book distribution (but these only work in missoula, so maybe we need better ideas for greater national success):

  - Just because I think it works well and it is a fun way to see missoula, I would like to deliver a few to the little free library system.  But that will only put a small dent in the pile.  




A church here has started a free library system I would love to fill with permaculture books.  Honestly I am overwhelmed by the info at this website, I honestly don't know where to start and am getting whiplash trying to look at everything.  I want to buy some permaculture books and start a food forest but don't know which book to start with


 
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paul wheaton wrote:I think now is an excellent time to talk about where these books might go.   Extracting from this thread ...   Suppose there were 200 copies of BWB complete with the US postage paid ...    

My initial ideas for book distribution (but these only work in missoula, so maybe we need better ideas for greater national success):

  - Just because I think it works well and it is a fun way to see missoula, I would like to deliver a few to the little free library system.  But that will only put a small dent in the pile.  

  - Next, I would deliver two dozen books to Missoula Freecycles.

  - three dozen to the missoula "Home Resource" (used/reclaimed building materials)

  - maybe 100 books to my local organic market - for the employees

  - maybe find a CSA with 200 customers and give one to each customer




I can see doing something similar in my neck of the woods (greater Spokane area). I'd add to the list:

  - a handful to the local laundromats. Folks will thumb through and take it if they like what they're reading, or leave it for the next person if they don't.

  - a few dozen to permie-friendly vendors at farmers markets
 
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Paul, you could just go all Gideon and have a group of dedicated permaculture activists hand them out to college students after lectures.
 
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In action, the committee might resemble the Knights of the Round Table dance.


 
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If you have writeable-offable income, you could donate your excess books to the Little Free Library organization (and get a tax write-off), and they can distribute them to the Little Free Libraries where they think the topic will receive the most interest.  If you go this route, ask them if it's OK for you to put a "donor sticker" inside the book with the Permies.com web address, so people who are interested can be directed back to your website.  New Permies!!!

Here's the Little Free Library blurb:

Little Free Library
Nonprofit organization
littlefreelibrary.org
Little Free Library is a 501 nonprofit organization that promotes neighborhood book exchanges, usually in the form of a public bookcase. More than 90,000 public book exchanges are registered with the organization and branded as Little Free Libraries. Wikipedia
Tax ID no.: 45-4043708
Founded: 2009
Board Chair: Monnie McMahon
Headquarters: Hudson, WI
Revenue: 758,377 USD
Founders: Todd Bol, Rick Brooks
 
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Krella Krentoshi wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:I think now is an excellent time to talk about where these books might go.   Extracting from this thread ...   Suppose there were 200 copies of BWB complete with the US postage paid ...    

My initial ideas for book distribution (but these only work in missoula, so maybe we need better ideas for greater national success):

  - Just because I think it works well and it is a fun way to see missoula, I would like to deliver a few to the little free library system.  But that will only put a small dent in the pile.  




A church here has started a free library system I would love to fill with permaculture books.  Honestly I am overwhelmed by the info at this website, I honestly don't know where to start and am getting whiplash trying to look at everything.  I want to buy some permaculture books and start a food forest but don't know which book to start with




Krella - I think the church is a wonderful idea! Mainly, I was glad to see your comment about not knowing where to start and getting whiplash. There is SO much here and I am really trying to get a handle on it but I am having a hard time with the general layout just not being easy and intuitive to use, almost chaotic honestly. Maybe it's just my noob-ness here, lol - I'm sure it'll get easier with continued use but I was so glad to see your comment because I was thinking it's just me! We'll get it!
 
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You mean like.... Community Supported Literacy or Community Supported Learning?  
 
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Maybe more like Community Supported Book Distribution.  The aim would be to give these books to audiences where the concepts within would have the most impact.
 
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Not pledging any loyalty today, but might I enthusiastically add

"Ekki-ekki-ekki-ekki-pitang-ZOOM-boing!"

I recommend the Knights consider the USO as an easy distribution strategy to reach young, active-duty US military folk around the world.  (This would be even easier and more distributed than my original idea of leveraging the DOD Transition Assistance Program or reaching prisoners --ideas posted over on this thread).

Why the USO?
As servicemembers travel around the US (or world) whether for training or going on deployment or for personal travel, sometimes they find themselves with a little down time in airports what with layovers or flight cancellations.  USO airport locations offer servicemembers a chance to catch some rest, as well as a cup of coffee or some snacks and sustenance.  

They also frequently have a counter of items for takeaway: reading materials, toiletries, snacks, that sort of setup.

To execute this idea, a Knight would first think of a geographical area they want to reach military members.  Perhaps there are many Otises -- or, is the plural of Otis, Oti? -- from a specific state or region?  
Next, a Knight could then use the USO location finder to find an airport center in that region:

https://www.uso.org/locations
https://www.uso.org/contact

Then after a phone call:
  1) Physical copies of books could likely be mailed to a specific USO volunteer's preferred address.  Or...
  2) A Knight could drop off the books in person.  Or...
  3) An even easier gig would be creating a PDF of one of those little tear-off sheets with a series of digital distribution coupons codes on the bottom.  And then have a USO volunteer print and post it.

*Cue the awkward ASCII drawing*

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I'm on the board of a fledgling grocery co-op in Tacoma if that helps anyone lol
 
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The original seed of this idea was getting these books to high schoolers as part of the "SKIP College" idea.  Any ideas from people in the education system about who to approach in the high school or school district?
 
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I would say "school counselors" m'kay?
 
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ebooks can also be donated/given away if there's some sort of voucher code system where a code is good for one download. Generate codes, print postcards with a bit about the book, add a unique download code, and distribute. Far cheaper and easier than donating physical copies.
Permies may already have a system like this for gifting virtual products, I imagine it does! But if not I have access to a system that allows me to generate 500 unique codes each month and handles direct downloads of the ebook. I  can gladly donate some of that capacity. The only catch is that the app I use would need to host a copy of the book for direct download - I'd need files formatted as mobi and pdf.
 
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Sounds like it would be most needed in low income areas.  Distribute them to libraries to give out in low income areas like Margareteville, New York whose Main Street is almost barren after floods destroyed the town.
 
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Eliot Mason wrote:The original seed of this idea was getting these books to high schoolers as part of the "SKIP College" idea.  Any ideas from people in the education system about who to approach in the high school or school district?


My whole family is in education.  Within the school itself the guidance counselor would be able to tell you, if you are dealing with the district the superintendent. I'm not sure how kindly they will take to the SKIP college idea.  Maybe a job fair intended for high schoolers would be another avenue to reach your desired audience.
 
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