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My sweet potatoes weren't much to brag about last year so I bought a locally grown organic sweet potato from the store last month.  Buried it 75% in potting soil in a salad green container (actually two containers, upper one with drainage holes, lower one without).  I "planted" it 3/20, the first sprouts appeared 3/31 and this is what it looks like today.  When they get a bit taller I'll break them off and pot them individually in 2.5" pots until it's time to move them outside.

I did also try one of my best looking crappy potatoes from last year and you can see it molding away in the left corner of the container.
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Love this topic and have been doing it for years.

* A bag of raw unshelled peanuts. Only plant the whole ones, can fill a plot for just a couple of dollars.
* Practically any of the dried bean varieties are able to grow.
* Coriander, celery seed, etc from the spice aisle will also grow so long as they are whole seed.
* Mango, apple, peach, any of the stone fruits will spout as well if you provide the dormancy conditions.

The other great benefit is those you don't plant you can cook up and eat in some form or fashion!

This is an old article but it deserves a place of honor in the forums.
 
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I just bought some dried White Mulberries.  Do you think they might grow if planted?

https://www.heb.com/product-detail/navitas-naturals-organic-mulberry-berries/1471540
 
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Tyler Ludens wrote:I just bought some dried White Mulberries.  Do you think they might grow if planted?

https://www.heb.com/product-detail/navitas-naturals-organic-mulberry-berries/1471540



80/20 chance they will not. Depends on how the packer dried them for how long at what temperature.  But what do you have to lose? Slap a couple of berries in some potting soil and see what come up! :)
 
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Tyler. I lived latitude 30 Centex for many years. Had very good success with seeds from Mexican peppers & Mexican squash from HEB.

Send me some enchiladas & we'll call it even:)
 
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A tomato plant that grew from a supermarket seed in compost has survived my entire Adelaide winter despite nights dropping to 3 degrees C/ 37 F. Whilst other people are germinating seeds right now I have a very tough plant 1' tall that'll produce tomatoes possibly in Spring!

If it works well I might plant tomato plants during Autumn each year rather than Spring. We go through stress for 'economic efficiency' (plant spinach instead so that you double your crops in the same space), but less efficient methods can be much more enjoyable and easier.
 
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If it works well I might plant tomato plants during Autumn each year rather than Spring. We go through stress for 'economic efficiency' (plant spinach instead so that you double your crops in the same space), but less efficient methods can be much more enjoyable and easier.


The ideal is to plant your harvested tomato and pepper seeds in among the spinach or other greens so they are sheltered by cold tolerant annuals which will reach maturity and be removed about the time most people start their transplants.
One of our co-op directors had a low tunnel full of cherry tomatoes. at the end of the season she pulled the spent plants and closed it up for the winter. The soil was covered in fallen tomatoes so when she opened it to plant the next spring there was a solid carpet of little tomato plants ready to transplant. The natural way to plant the nightshade family is to let the fruit rot on the ground.

I wanted a summer ground cover to keep the ground open so I could transplant raspberries in the winter. I bought a bag of bird seed and sowed it on the bare ground, mulched it with grass clippings and watered it thoroughly. I now have ripening about ten times as much millet, sorghum, thistle and sunflower seed.
The golden flax and lentils dried out early so I only have about as much as I planted to harvest for the chickens. My old hens have become experts at recognizing seed heads and pods to thresh their food so all I have to do is through the mature plants in the tractor to feed them.  They are working their way through the dwarf apple orchard now eating the wheat that came up where they buried seed they missed. This process started when a friend plantd wheat for a cover crop but then was not able to plow it in the spring. I mowed it with my scythe and stacked it in the barn to throw them a bundle each day.

Don't work any harder than necessary. let things reproduce as they naturally do.
 
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Tim Kivi wrote:A tomato plant that grew from a supermarket seed in compost has survived my entire Adelaide winter despite nights dropping to 3 degrees C/ 37 F. ....

If it works well I might plant tomato plants during Autumn each year rather than Spring.


I am also southern hemisphere and have SO MUCH trouble with tomatoes (insects that drill the stems and wilt the whole plant. I've tried most everything I dare to and essentially stopped growing tomatoes). I left my garden basically untouched from early June to right about now because of some travel, and I have a few volunteer tomatoes from the compost that are full of fruit (one grape tomatoes, one "normal"). They survived 2 strong frosts at least, which appear to keep the bugs away. I would usually be starting tomatoes right now (if I dared). I'm excited!!
 
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I read through most of this thread this past week. tonight I spent 3xs as long at the grocery store as I usually do because I was checking out the seed supplies! I found whole cumin, fennel and dill seed, like an ounce each for 99 cents. I also picked up some lentils and garbanzo beans to experiment with as winter cover crops.

I looked longingly at the mixed nuts whole in their shells but have heard that especially almonds are treated in some way that prevents sprouting. Anyone know if that's true?
 
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Maybe I try planting kidney beans gotten from the store along with my Jade bush beans.
 
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I just bought soap nuts for the first time, and curious, asked the guy if you can grow them.  He said sometimes you find the seeds left in with the husks (which is what you use for washing) delved around and came out with one.  So this is my new variation on the "grow your groceries" project!
 
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You all are so enthusiastic!  I'm excited to try some of this.  Especially using bean mix for ground cover crop.  I will be getting some from Bob's next time I'm there and using it for sure.

I bought some squash from a local pumpkin patch and want to save the seeds to plant next year (although I can't see planting them all - I got so many).  I rinsed them and have them drying now.  Do I keep them in a jar in the cupboard?  Freezer or fridge?
 
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Once they're fully dry (break when bent) put them in a cool dark place.  Fridge is good, freezer is great.  Anything will work for a year or two but best long term storage is the freezer for most situations.
 
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Sonja Draven wrote:You all are so enthusiastic!  I'm excited to try some of this.  Especially using bean mix for ground cover crop.  I will be getting some from Bob's next time I'm there and using it for sure.

I bought some squash from a local pumpkin patch and want to save the seeds to plant next year (although I can't see planting them all - I got so many).  I rinsed them and have them drying now.  Do I keep them in a jar in the cupboard?  Freezer or fridge?



I store my squash seeds in paper bags in the basement in Montana. It's a relatively cool dry place. They last at least five years since that's the longest I went without planting them.
 
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To follow up... About 8 months ago I planted hardy kiwi seeds from fruits obtained in my local grocery store.  They germinated quickly, and grew for the summer in pots, even though I didn't water them reliably. Today I transplanted them into a field in a clump. So we get to see if they truly are "hardy" kiwi. .

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Those are gorgeous, Joseph!  I hope they are hardy for you.

Thanks for the replies, all.  I will go the freezer route since it is really hard in the PNW to keep anything consistently dry.  Is it okay to preserve/keep all seeds in the freezer?
 
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Sonja Draven wrote:Those are gorgeous, Joseph!  I hope they are hardy for you.

Thanks for the replies, all.  I will go the freezer route since it is really hard in the PNW to keep anything consistently dry.  Is it okay to preserve/keep all seeds in the freezer?



Most seeds can be kept in the freezer if properly dried first. There are some important details to freezing seed. Freezing reduces viability a bit but extends it to as much as twenty years or more. When you take seed out of the freezer, it's important to let it warm to room temp before opening, otherwise moisture will condense on the seed damaging it. Consult Carol Deppe's book "breed your own vegetable varieties" for in depth details. She gives techniques for properly drying them down first- and she lives in the PNW.

There is a important caveat to freezing seed and that is a type of seed known as Recalcitrant seed. The acorns of oak trees are a good example of this. They can't be dried down, you have to store them moist in the fridge. I use a damp paper towel. If they dry they die. Though as with many things, I've noticed that arid climate oaks have acorns that seem to dry down quite a bit more than ours. I've also heard that some tropical and subtropical seeds are recalcitrant.

It is true though that most seeds can be dried down and frozen- if you follow the rules. In fact recalcitrant seeds are pretty rare in Montana where I live and the PNW where you live. Mostly oaks and tropical fruits from the grocery store I want to raise as houseplants. Wouldn't be surprised if avocadoes were recalcitrant.
 
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Thank you!  This is all helpful and I put a hold on that book at the library.
 
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I've been saving gourd, squash, and pumpkin seeds for years. I rinse the seeds a couple times and then dry them on a  paper towel. When they're dry I carefully stack them on top of my tomato and other paper towels full of seeds. My tomato seeds I don't rinse so they stick. The seeds above, since they are rinsed, don't stick The reason I say carefully stack them. They're fine the following spring, I never tried growing them in later years. I'm going to test that next spring as they raided the pumpkin patch this fall. I don't save seeds from hybrids, so don't buy hybrid seeds any longer.

I've found that if I leave gourds and pumpkins in the garden they come up next spring on their own. If I leave any of these varieties unfenced they don't come up. I think they get eaten. I've seen 16" pumpkins disappear over night, nothing but the stem left.
 
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Somehow I missed this response.  Thank you John!
 
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As a followup regarding the hardy kiwi that I transplanted into the field recently. Something (mammal I think) destroyed every plant. I'm looking forward to watching the local grocery store for more fruits.
 
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Joseph Lofthouse wrote:As a followup regarding the hardy kiwi that I transplanted into the field recently. Something (mammal I think) destroyed every plant. I'm looking forward to watching the local grocery store for more fruits.

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Viable supermarket seed:
Coriander, fennel, fenugreek, papaya, cumin, 'black cumin'.
Every type of grain and bean.
Almonds, raw shelled peanuts, macadamia-in-the-shell.
Galangal, turmeric, ginger.

Poppy seeds for eating are irradiated in Australia, but still have a 1-5% germination rate and the seed is all from Tasmania's industry.
 
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